I am thinking of better insulating my icebox this winter. The job will involve removing the counter top above, which I think may involve removing the cabinetry under the bridge deck. Has anyone done this? Does the cabinetry behind the stove have to be removed as well? This job does not seem like it will be fun. Any ideas? For the moment my plan is to use a vacuum pannel on the engine side of the box, but foam elsewhere. Vacuum pannels would be nice everywhere, but the cost seems to be prohibitive.
Matt
mcawthor@bellatlantic.net
CD-36 icebox installation
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Ken Coit
Re: CD-36 icebox installation
Matt,
Check out the article in the latest Blue Water Sailing regarding the relative cost of vacuum panels vs. 6 inches of foam. They seem to think it was nearly a wash with much better results and longevity. And you save considerable volume.
I will be interested to hear how it goes and the end results.
Ken Coit
S/V Parfait
CC-36
ken.coit@fnc.fujitsu.com
Check out the article in the latest Blue Water Sailing regarding the relative cost of vacuum panels vs. 6 inches of foam. They seem to think it was nearly a wash with much better results and longevity. And you save considerable volume.
I will be interested to hear how it goes and the end results.
Ken Coit
S/V Parfait
CC-36
I am thinking of better insulating my icebox this winter. The job will involve removing the counter top above, which I think may involve removing the cabinetry under the bridge deck. Has anyone done this? Does the cabinetry behind the stove have to be removed as well? This job does not seem like it will be fun. Any ideas? For the moment my plan is to use a vacuum pannel on the engine side of the box, but foam elsewhere. Vacuum pannels would be nice everywhere, but the cost seems to be prohibitive.
Matt
ken.coit@fnc.fujitsu.com
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Greg Kozlowski
Re: CD-36 icebox installation
Hi Matt,
I am also very much in need of the info you are seeking. This summer while living aboard on the hard in NC,the Cold Machine kept cycling day and night. We were connected to shore power, but I realized that the batteries will simply not stand up to that type of drain in the tropics. I am thinking of converting to a water cooled compressor, (ie: Super Cold Machine) or adding insulation to the box or, preferably, both. I'd be gratefull to hear of any solutions you may be thinking of.
I've also thought of how to get insulation inside, and am wondering if one could just install it in smaller pieces without having to resort to pulling off the counter top. What type of foam are you planning to use?
Ps - thanks again for the great info on prop sizing.
Regards,
Greg
koz@seijo.ac.jp
I am also very much in need of the info you are seeking. This summer while living aboard on the hard in NC,the Cold Machine kept cycling day and night. We were connected to shore power, but I realized that the batteries will simply not stand up to that type of drain in the tropics. I am thinking of converting to a water cooled compressor, (ie: Super Cold Machine) or adding insulation to the box or, preferably, both. I'd be gratefull to hear of any solutions you may be thinking of.
I've also thought of how to get insulation inside, and am wondering if one could just install it in smaller pieces without having to resort to pulling off the counter top. What type of foam are you planning to use?
Ps - thanks again for the great info on prop sizing.
Regards,
Greg
koz@seijo.ac.jp
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Roald Horton
Re: CD-36 icebox installation
Have you considered using Heat Shield Marine's vacuum encapsulatedI am thinking of better insulating my icebox this winter. The job will involve removing the counter top above, which I think may involve removing the cabinetry under the bridge deck. Has anyone done this? Does the cabinetry behind the stove have to be removed as well? This job does not seem like it will be fun. Any ideas? For the moment my plan is to use a vacuum pannel on the engine side of the box, but foam elsewhere. Vacuum pannels would be nice everywhere, but the cost seems to be prohibitive.
Matt
"super insulation"? I am installing this in SeaScape and you do not have to tear up the interior to do it. For info, Contact:
W. I. (Bill) Mosher
Heat Shield Marine
195 Country Road
Huntsville, AL 35806
Phone: (256)830-2676
His web site is: http://advicom.net/~marinerv
Roald Horton
s/v SeaScape
CD36
roald@toad.net
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Matt Cawthorne
BWS fiction
Ken,
I received a sample copy of BWS which had the article that you refer to. The following week I went to the Annapolis boat show and talked to the folks from Glacier Bay and asked if the data in BWS was correct. It was not. Perhaps the folks at BWS slipped the decimal point in the wrong spot. As it turns out the Glacier Bay system would cost over 2600 dollars for my icebox. I really like the Glacier Bay system. In my humble opinion it is the best. Too bad it costs so much. I may use it for the top of my new installation , or perhaps on the engine side of the box because of the trade off between cost and volume.
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate all ideas.
Matt
mcawthor@bellatlantic.net
I received a sample copy of BWS which had the article that you refer to. The following week I went to the Annapolis boat show and talked to the folks from Glacier Bay and asked if the data in BWS was correct. It was not. Perhaps the folks at BWS slipped the decimal point in the wrong spot. As it turns out the Glacier Bay system would cost over 2600 dollars for my icebox. I really like the Glacier Bay system. In my humble opinion it is the best. Too bad it costs so much. I may use it for the top of my new installation , or perhaps on the engine side of the box because of the trade off between cost and volume.
Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate all ideas.
Matt
Matt,
Check out the article in the latest Blue Water Sailing regarding the relative cost of vacuum panels vs. 6 inches of foam. They seem to think it was nearly a wash with much better results and longevity. And you save considerable volume.
I will be interested to hear how it goes and the end results.
Ken Coit
S/V Parfait
CC-36
I am thinking of better insulating my icebox this winter. The job will involve removing the counter top above, which I think may involve removing the cabinetry under the bridge deck. Has anyone done this? Does the cabinetry behind the stove have to be removed as well? This job does not seem like it will be fun. Any ideas? For the moment my plan is to use a vacuum pannel on the engine side of the box, but foam elsewhere. Vacuum pannels would be nice everywhere, but the cost seems to be prohibitive.
Matt
mcawthor@bellatlantic.net
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matt cawthorne
Re: CD-36 icebox installation
Roald,
I have seen some conflicting data on Heat Shield Marine's 'vacuum' pannels. Their process of using lung power to create the vacuum leads me to believe that their process is likely to fall short of expectations. I have to admit that the low cost is very attractive and that not much volume would be lost with thier system. Any insulation should be a great help in our iceboxes since they were not well insulated to start with. I am tempted to buy a sheet of their product and make a little test box of my own and compare it to regular foam. Perhaps if I have time.....
Matt
mcawthor@bellatlantic.net
I have seen some conflicting data on Heat Shield Marine's 'vacuum' pannels. Their process of using lung power to create the vacuum leads me to believe that their process is likely to fall short of expectations. I have to admit that the low cost is very attractive and that not much volume would be lost with thier system. Any insulation should be a great help in our iceboxes since they were not well insulated to start with. I am tempted to buy a sheet of their product and make a little test box of my own and compare it to regular foam. Perhaps if I have time.....
Matt
Have you considered using Heat Shield Marine's vacuum encapsulated
"super insulation"? I am installing this in SeaScape and you do not have to tear up the interior to do it. For info, Contact:
W. I. (Bill) Mosher
Heat Shield Marine
195 Country Road
Huntsville, AL 35806
Phone: (256)830-2676
His web site is: http://advicom.net/~marinerv
Roald Horton
s/v SeaScape
CD36
mcawthor@bellatlantic.net