1983 Cape Dory 25D (Hull Number 127)

[Sea Hunt]

I posted a similar request back in January 2007 and received a lot of helpful information and advise but nothing specific to this particular CD 25D. I thought I would make one more "pass around" before I schedule my trip. Weather permitting, I plan to fly to Stockton the end of April or early May.

1. Does anyone have any information about a 1983 Cape Dory 25D (Hull number 127) presently berthed at Spurgeon's Port of Call Marina in Stockton, Missouri I believe the asking price is $18,500 and she has been on the market 6-7 months, perhaps a little longer. The photos show her to be in average/good condition.

I am told she remained in the water the entire winter despite the very, very cold weather that area of the country experienced this past winter. I do not know if that impacted her hull, the fiberglass, thru hull fittings, etc.

One surveyor I talked with said most surveyors in the area had their "plates full" with ice storm damages from December and February.

2. Does anyone know of a reputable (and patient) marine surveyor who can/will travel to Stockton? I have located the names of the following surveyors in the general area. Does anyone know anything good or bad about any of these surveyors

Michael Hunter (Hunter Consulting and Surveyors) (Springfield, Missouri, SAMS surveyor associate)

Roy Smith (RL Smith and Associates- St. Louis) (NAMS)

Tom Benton, Ketchum, Ok (SAMS/NAMS)

David Davis, Cutting Edge Marine Services (Lake Ozark)(SAMS associate surveyor)

Because it is expensive to fly to Stockton (no direct flights, etc.), my thought was/is to inspect her and if all is good, attempt to negotiate an agreed price and schedule a marine survey all in one trip. This seems like a lot to do (and a lot to fall in place) but air fare, car rental, motel, etc. all add up quickly. If I can avoid a second (or third) air fare fee, I think it would be worth it. The downside is I will not have time to think about it, talk with "the Admiral", etc., as I usually do. Then again, maybe that's a good thing.

The major issue with this particular CD 25D, sight unseen, is transporting her to South Florida. I will have to hire a transport company to move her. "$$$$ Caching, caching"

My sincere thanks for your continuing patience and understanding. I know I must be wearing pretty thin on some (most) folks by now.

Fair winds,

[barfwinkle]

I sent you a PM.

Bill-N-OK

[Dean Abramson]

Missouri!!!!

I'd check for corn growing out of the engine's air intake.

Seriously, best of luck with it, Robert.

Dean

[MarkW]

Hi Sea Hunt.

Just to throw something else out there.

What about the possibility of starting with the survey? You could have the surveyor take extra pictures of the boat, email everything to you and it might cost you less than the trip.

Then if the survey comes back okay you can move forward. If the survey comes back not-so-good you can discuss by phone and see if you can agree on a price. Then make the tirp and finalize things. Either way it is a trip and a survey.

It's just another possible way to approach this. You are familiar with the 25D so you know what the boat is about. It will likely come down to condition and price.

Good luck...................................Mark out

[Steve Kuhar]

Sea Hunt

You want to be there for the survey. First of all it is a great learning experience, having the surveyor point out any problem areas will be much more valuable than trying to interpret the report, and you can ask questions on the spot. By being there you will be sure that every inch of the boat is covered, and you should be able to tell if you are getting a quality survey. Be sure that the surveyor that you choose is experienced with sailboats, not all of them are, and I'll bet this is particularly true in Missouri, also don't ask the owner or the broker to recommend a surveyor, you want to be sure that the surveyor is really working for you.

Good Luck
Steve Kuhar

[Dean Abramson]

Robert,

Some surveyors will do a once-over look for a lot less than the price of a full survey. It is something to consider. Theoretically, any potential deal-breakers, big stuff, would be picked up; and if there are such things, it would save you a trip to Missouri, and cost less than going there.

He/she might even then apply some or all of that fee to a full survey in the event that you wish to pursue it further. My surveyor did that.

This is sort of a compromise between what Mark and Steve are saying. If the surveyor finds, say, hull damage, it might save you a trip. If he says, hey this is a nice boat, it will make springing for the plane tickets a little easier.

When I bought my 25D, I inspected if closely myself, and sailed it, first. Then it was surveyed when I was not there (near Albany NY). That all worked out fine for me. There is more than one way to skin a, uh, monohull.

Good Luck. You can't go wrong with a decent 25D.

Dean

[Cathy Monaghan]

Sea Hunt,

Have you seen this boat (CD25D):
http://www.capedory.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=19251

She's located in CT and I'm not sure if she's still for sale or not but it may be worth looking into.

[Sea Hunt]

Hello Cathy:

Thank you for thinking of me.

Bill Slater and Leo McDonald told me about this CD 25D. I have communicated with Bob Luby via email a few times and he sent me some photos of his CD 25D.

I have hesitated about arranging a trip to Ct. because of the weather the past couple of months. I guess I have lived in Miami too many years.

It looks like I may pass on the Missouri CD 25D based upon several private emails I have received from CDSOA members. I may try to go to the Ct. area instead to look at 2-3 CD 25Ds for sale in the same general area.

Fair winds,

[Stan W.]

It may need more work than you want to take on but under $10,000 for an '86 CD 26D with a new motor is a sweet deal. Someone definitely should make an offer on this boat.

Disclaimer: I do not know the boat or the seller and have no interest in the sale.

http://www.grabbagsailboats.com/boat_im ... recid=1183

[Ron M.]

There's a CD 26 for sale up here in Harwich. Ma.-----nice looking boat, but I've just driven by .
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MAZDA MAZDAGO SPECIFICATIONS

[Neil Gordon]

It may need more work than you want to take on but under $10,000 for an '86 CD 26D with a new motor is a sweet deal.

Stan,

From the description, this boat could be restored with full priced yard labor and still be a (modest) bargain. Plus, if the boat was restored by someone whose day job was the restoration, it wouldn't take much out of the sailing season.

If I otherwise liked the boat, I'd get a quote on getting the deck fixed and negotiate from there, followed by a survey, of course.

[Sea Hunt]

Hello Stan:

Thanks for the information.

I thought CD 26s were only made with a motor well for an outboard (12-15 hp). I did not know they were built with a diesel. Shows you how very little I know.

Anyways, the issues with the spongy deck, etc. is something I am not qualified to do. For someone with the skills, this could be a good "project boat".

Fair winds,

[marilou]

Saw CD26 on Craigs List (South Carolina/Charleston) for $10,000.
I believe this is the same boat that was listed on the board for 13,000, and then taken off the market. Sounds like a good boat.
Look under Cape Dory Boats for Sale - on the board.

[Neil Gordon]

Anyways, the issues with the spongy deck, etc. is something I am not qualified to do. For someone with the skills, this could be a good "project boat".

If the price is right, the only skill you need is to be able to pay someone else to do it.

[marilou]

I agree. To me it's a "no brainer" considering the distance from Florida of the above boats and the asking price. It's like, "cutting bait or fishing".