Cape Dory 25D Documentation

[Bill]

Has anyone tried to get a Cape Dory 25D USCG documented, or owned a documented Cape Dory 25D?
I would like to get the specs if possible. Please send e-mail as well as reply. Thanks.



Billgodive@aol.com

[Dean Abramson]

I bought a 25D which was documented, and I have continued to have it documented. It was a question of getting some paperwork from the seller, then submitting paperwork to the Coast Guard, and a fee of $100, if I remember correctly (it was 8-10 years ago). Maybe $150 with a boat name change, which I did. I do remember that the USCG lost the paperwork, and I had to hound them, and re-submit some things, and it was a hassle, but that may not be typical. I do like not having state reg. #s on my hull. Other than that, it is fairly worthless, I guess. Each year, they send me a form, which I sign and return; no more fees after the initial ones.

My certificate says:
Year completed: 1983
Gross tonnage: 6 GRT
Net tonnage: 5 NRT
Length 25.2
Breadth 8.0
Depth 6.3 (I think the USCG typist meant 3.6, which is the 25D's draft)
Place Built: East Taunton MA

Good Luck. I love my 25D!

Dean Abramson
"Mariah"

Has anyone tried to get a Cape Dory 25D USCG documented, or owned a documented Cape Dory 25D?
I would like to get the specs if possible. Please send e-mail as well as reply. Thanks.

dabramson@mainephoto.com

[Ken Coit]

The link below will retrieve the documentation info on Dean's CD25D from the USCG database. Depth is actually from the toerail to the foot of the keel, so 6.3 is probably correct and not a typo. I think there are other documented 25Ds.


Keep on sailing,

Ken Coit
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC

I bought a 25D which was documented, and I have continued to have it documented. It was a question of getting some paperwork from the seller, then submitting paperwork to the Coast Guard, and a fee of $100, if I remember correctly (it was 8-10 years ago). Maybe $150 with a boat name change, which I did. I do remember that the USCG lost the paperwork, and I had to hound them, and re-submit some things, and it was a hassle, but that may not be typical. I do like not having state reg. #s on my hull. Other than that, it is fairly worthless, I guess. Each year, they send me a form, which I sign and return; no more fees after the initial ones.

My certificate says:
Year completed: 1983
Gross tonnage: 6 GRT
Net tonnage: 5 NRT
Length 25.2
Breadth 8.0
Depth 6.3 (I think the USCG typist meant 3.6, which is the 25D's draft)
Place Built: East Taunton MA

Good Luck. I love my 25D!

Dean Abramson
"Mariah"

Has anyone tried to get a Cape Dory 25D USCG documented, or owned a documented Cape Dory 25D?
I would like to get the specs if possible. Please send e-mail as well as reply. Thanks.

parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com

[Bill Goldsmith]

The depth figure looks right: it is actually measured from the bottom of the bilge to the inside of the roof. It's a little more complex than that, depending on the boat's design, but it's used in the gross tonnage calculation which is intended to measure interior volume rather than weight (displacement).

Bill Goldsmith
CD27#173
Second Chance

I bought a 25D which was documented, and I have continued to have it documented. It was a question of getting some paperwork from the seller, then submitting paperwork to the Coast Guard, and a fee of $100, if I remember correctly (it was 8-10 years ago). Maybe $150 with a boat name change, which I did. I do remember that the USCG lost the paperwork, and I had to hound them, and re-submit some things, and it was a hassle, but that may not be typical. I do like not having state reg. #s on my hull. Other than that, it is fairly worthless, I guess. Each year, they send me a form, which I sign and return; no more fees after the initial ones.

My certificate says:
Year completed: 1983
Gross tonnage: 6 GRT
Net tonnage: 5 NRT
Length 25.2
Breadth 8.0
Depth 6.3 (I think the USCG typist meant 3.6, which is the 25D's draft)
Place Built: East Taunton MA

Good Luck. I love my 25D!

Dean Abramson
"Mariah"

Has anyone tried to get a Cape Dory 25D USCG documented, or owned a documented Cape Dory 25D?
I would like to get the specs if possible. Please send e-mail as well as reply. Thanks.

goldy@bestweb.net

[Ken Coit]

Here's what the documentation measurement instructions say about length, breadth, and depth (Reverse of CG-5397 (Rev 12-00)):

LENGTH (L) is the horizontal distance between the outboard side of the foremost part (bow) of the hull and the outboard side of the aftermost part (stern) of the hull. It does not include bowsprits, rudders, outboard motor brackets, swim platforms that do not contain buoyant volume, and other similar fittings and attachments that are not part of the buoyant hull envelope.

BREADTH (B) is the horizontal distance taken at the widest part of the hull, excluding rub rails, from the outboard side of the skin (outside planking or plating) on one side of the hull to the outboard side of the skin on the other side of the hull.

DEPTH (D) is the vertical distance taken at or near amidships from a line drawn horizontally through the uppermost edges of the skin (outside planking or plating) at the sides of the hull (excluding the
cap rail, trunks, cabins and deckhouses, and deck caps) to the outboard face of the bottom skin of the hull, excluding the keel. If your vessel is designed for sailing and the interface between the
"keel" and the "bottom skin of the hull" is not at a clearly defined location (as is the case with an "integral" or "faired" keel), include the keel in the depth measurement.

Keep on sailing,

Ken Coit
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC



parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com

[Bill Goldsmith]

Here's what the documentation measurement instructions say about length, breadth, and depth (Reverse of CG-5397 (Rev 12-00)):

LENGTH (L) is the horizontal distance between the outboard side of the foremost part (bow) of the hull and the outboard side of the aftermost part (stern) of the hull. It does not include bowsprits, rudders, outboard motor brackets, swim platforms that do not contain buoyant volume, and other similar fittings and attachments that are not part of the buoyant hull envelope.

BREADTH (B) is the horizontal distance taken at the widest part of the hull, excluding rub rails, from the outboard side of the skin (outside planking or plating) on one side of the hull to the outboard side of the skin on the other side of the hull.

DEPTH (D) is the vertical distance taken at or near amidships from a line drawn horizontally through the uppermost edges of the skin (outside planking or plating) at the sides of the hull (excluding the
cap rail, trunks, cabins and deckhouses, and deck caps) to the outboard face of the bottom skin of the hull, excluding the keel. If your vessel is designed for sailing and the interface between the
"keel" and the "bottom skin of the hull" is not at a clearly defined location (as is the case with an "integral" or "faired" keel), include the keel in the depth measurement.

Keep on sailing,

Ken Coit
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC

goldy@bestweb.net

[Randy Bates]

"Seraph" 1985 CD25D hull #161 is documented. I was wondering about that 6'3" depth. I too thought it was a typo. How in the world do they get the tonnage? Is it "how much a CD25D would displace if filled with lead"? Or gold bricks? It cost right at $100 to re-new documentation in my name when I bought "Seraph". Took 2 months. But now no hull numbers/stickers nor, I've been told yearly fee. What a deal!

The link below will retrieve the documentation info on Dean's CD25D from the USCG database. Depth is actually from the toerail to the foot of the keel, so 6.3 is probably correct and not a typo. I think there are other documented 25Ds.


Keep on sailing,

Ken Coit
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC

I bought a 25D which was documented, and I have continued to have it documented. It was a question of getting some paperwork from the seller, then submitting paperwork to the Coast Guard, and a fee of $100, if I remember correctly (it was 8-10 years ago). Maybe $150 with a boat name change, which I did. I do remember that the USCG lost the paperwork, and I had to hound them, and re-submit some things, and it was a hassle, but that may not be typical. I do like not having state reg. #s on my hull. Other than that, it is fairly worthless, I guess. Each year, they send me a form, which I sign and return; no more fees after the initial ones.

My certificate says:
Year completed: 1983
Gross tonnage: 6 GRT
Net tonnage: 5 NRT
Length 25.2
Breadth 8.0
Depth 6.3 (I think the USCG typist meant 3.6, which is the 25D's draft)
Place Built: East Taunton MA

Good Luck. I love my 25D!

Dean Abramson
"Mariah"

Has anyone tried to get a Cape Dory 25D USCG documented, or owned a documented Cape Dory 25D?
I would like to get the specs if possible. Please send e-mail as well as reply. Thanks.

randy.bates@baesystems.com

[Ken Coit]

For a Carl Alberg hull with propulsion machinery inside the hull:

Gross Tonnage =(0.375 x Length X Breadth X Depth)/100

Net Tonnage = 0.9 X Gross Tonnage

See the link below for a bit more detail and diagrams.

Keep on sailing,

Ken Coit
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC



parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com

[Randy Bates]

Thanks for the info Ken. Seems the full keel giving a depth of 6'3" is what gets the tonnage up. Is that why so few 25' sailboats qualify for documentation?

Randy Bates
"Seraph" CD25D #161

For a Carl Alberg hull with propulsion machinery inside the hull:

Gross Tonnage =(0.375 x Length X Breadth X Depth)/100

Net Tonnage = 0.9 X Gross Tonnage

See the link below for a bit more detail and diagrams.

Keep on sailing,

Ken Coit
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC

randy.bates@baesystems.com

[Ken Coit]

Randy,

By my calculations, the 25D only qualifies if you round up, so those with otherwise similar dimensions but fin keels would have a very hard time as the "depth" would be limited to the distance from the rail to the root of the keel.

Keep on sailing,

Ken

Thanks for the info Ken. Seems the full keel giving a depth of 6'3" is what gets the tonnage up. Is that why so few 25' sailboats qualify for documentation?

Randy Bates
"Seraph" CD25D #161

For a Carl Alberg hull with propulsion machinery inside the hull:

Gross Tonnage =(0.375 x Length X Breadth X Depth)/100

Net Tonnage = 0.9 X Gross Tonnage

See the link below for a bit more detail and diagrams.

Keep on sailing,

Ken Coit
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC

parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com