Hi all,
I am considering installing lifeline stanchions on our "new" Ty, #1361. Has anyone out there ever done this on their Ty? If so, how did it go? Did you have to install a bow pulpit as well? Any feedback would be appreciated. TIA,
Sean Morgan
s/v IRIE
foursailors@prodigy.net
Anyone ever install stanchions on a Ty wkndr?
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John Phillips
Re: Anyone ever install stanchions on a Ty wkndr?
Sean:
My typhoon originally had lifelines on it, but when I redid the boat this past winter that was one of the things I took off and left off. I assume they were original, but it had a bow pulpit, two stantions on each side and a stern rail. I felt that what I lost in "security" was more than compensated for with better lines. The bow pulpit in particular seemed too large and obtrusive. But, that was just my opinion.
I have sailed the Ladybug in fairly good winds and have always felt secure. But sailing mostly single handed without a tiller tamer, etc. I have become reluctant to go forward to change head sails or reef the main in rough conditions. Last spring I took her to southern Alabama and sailed in the Perdido Bay area. Caught in more wind than I had expected one day, I chose to ride it out with excess canvas. In the end, I was wet but never felt that she wasn't going to be able to handle it. Even with my old life lines, I probably would have done any different.
I hope you enjoy your typhoon, I would be surprised if you don't.
John
branchedoakmarina@alltel.net
My typhoon originally had lifelines on it, but when I redid the boat this past winter that was one of the things I took off and left off. I assume they were original, but it had a bow pulpit, two stantions on each side and a stern rail. I felt that what I lost in "security" was more than compensated for with better lines. The bow pulpit in particular seemed too large and obtrusive. But, that was just my opinion.
I have sailed the Ladybug in fairly good winds and have always felt secure. But sailing mostly single handed without a tiller tamer, etc. I have become reluctant to go forward to change head sails or reef the main in rough conditions. Last spring I took her to southern Alabama and sailed in the Perdido Bay area. Caught in more wind than I had expected one day, I chose to ride it out with excess canvas. In the end, I was wet but never felt that she wasn't going to be able to handle it. Even with my old life lines, I probably would have done any different.
I hope you enjoy your typhoon, I would be surprised if you don't.
John
Sean Morgan wrote: Hi all,
I am considering installing lifeline stanchions on our "new" Ty, #1361. Has anyone out there ever done this on their Ty? If so, how did it go? Did you have to install a bow pulpit as well? Any feedback would be appreciated. TIA,
Sean Morgan
s/v IRIE
branchedoakmarina@alltel.net
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Joel
Re: Anyone ever install stanchions on a Ty wkndr?
My Ty also has only the bow pulpit and no lifelines. I've never felt insecure (at least not due to the lack of lifelines!), but have appreciated the pulpit when changing headsails in rough conditions.
Make sure whatever you put up are well seated. Any holes you drill thru the deck open up the possibility of water seeping into the core and causing delamination problems.
Enjoy,
Joel
Pokey II
'73 Ty #549
bondy_joel@hotmail.com
Make sure whatever you put up are well seated. Any holes you drill thru the deck open up the possibility of water seeping into the core and causing delamination problems.
Enjoy,
Joel
Pokey II
'73 Ty #549
bondy_joel@hotmail.com
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Ed Armstrong
Re: Anyone ever install stanchions on a Ty wkndr?
If anyone has pictures online of their Ty with bow pulpit, stern rails, or stanchions, I'd be interested in seeing how it looks. I've also considered installing same on our "new" Ty, mainly to increase my comfort level when I eventually bring our 2 year old daughter on-board.
TIA. Ed
ed.armstrong@globalstar.com
TIA. Ed
Sean Morgan wrote: Hi all,
I am considering installing lifeline stanchions on our "new" Ty, #1361. Has anyone out there ever done this on their Ty? If so, how did it go? Did you have to install a bow pulpit as well? Any feedback would be appreciated. TIA,
Sean Morgan
s/v IRIE
ed.armstrong@globalstar.com
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Craig
Re: Anyone ever install stanchions on a Ty wkndr?
I too had a bow pulpit on my Ty at the time of purchase. I removed it because I didn't like the aesthetics of it. You might consider jack lines in the cockpit and using a harness on your daughter if you are concerned about safety. Life lines do not provide protection against going overboard and would seem unsightly and overkill on a Ty. I have sailed in pretty brisk weather with my eight year old son and have always felt safe.
Craig
cnspych@aol.com
Craig
Ed Armstrong wrote: If anyone has pictures online of their Ty with bow pulpit, stern rails, or stanchions, I'd be interested in seeing how it looks. I've also considered installing same on our "new" Ty, mainly to increase my comfort level when I eventually bring our 2 year old daughter on-board.
TIA. Ed
Sean Morgan wrote: Hi all,
I am considering installing lifeline stanchions on our "new" Ty, #1361. Has anyone out there ever done this on their Ty? If so, how did it go? Did you have to install a bow pulpit as well? Any feedback would be appreciated. TIA,
Sean Morgan
s/v IRIE
cnspych@aol.com
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Bill Bloxham
Re: Anyone ever install stanchions on a Ty wkndr?
Hi Sean:
I can only put this in a context that works for me, but I urge you to consider this:
About 2 months ago I got my new main and headsails, (much later then I hoped (my fault)), and the day I got them it was blowing about 18/23 Knts. I had to go try out the new sails, and my excitement got the better of me. 20 minutes after I raised the new sails the I was in a difficult place.
I, in my haste & overconfidence, had not rigged the reefing system, and boy, did I need it then. The mainsheet shackle blew out, and I had to stall the boat, retrieve the boom and set up again. I felt panicky, and had to work against myself in the chop and difficult wind to fix everything. After I had convinced myself that I had not really put myself in a lot of danger, I fixed the problem (believe it or not, I had a spare shackle); I decided to continue, and after another 40 minutes of fighting the boat (should have reefed, should have reefed) I got back to my inlet ( I live on a lagoon system) and went forward to drop the jib.
As you most likely know by now, the Ty can hobbyhorse in a steep chop. The chop by my inlet seems more severe then most (hydrogeology is destiny)and this was a worse day.
I went forward and knelt to drop the jib (releasing the halyard did not do it). We got hit by a wave
I was thrown upward to a level where my legs (from the splayed kneeling position) were above the pulpit top rail. As the boat moved sideways, I came down with one knee off the the boat, and one on. The worst part was that my ankle hit the rubrail, and I still have a raised bone bruse to this day. The pain went right to my head, and I beleive I was shocked.
But what kept me on the boat was the pulpit.
No pulpit, and I would have been off the boat. Alone.
I can swim, and I could have made it to land, but land by me is fully bulkheaded, and in the custom of my neighborhood, the people by the bayfront do not spend much time outdoors in a heatwave. All our land bulkheads are built to a 6' level. and are hard to climb when you are tired and frazeled.
Most of the area that you would drill for a pulpit/lifeline system in most Ty's is solid FRP for about 4 inches in from the toerail. In most cases you do not even have to seal the core to run the bolts. I use a 1/2' marine ply backing plate on anything that does not have a built in backup.
My harness system consists of a West Marine safety tether hooked to my inflatable PFD (automatic(I singlehand))and a Shaeffer pad eye installed in the cockpit sole. It does not reach the foredeck.
I have installed a jib downhaul system. $20 tops. I cannot believe I went wihout it for five years.
Buy the pulpit; Think hard about the lifelines. You may do better with a jackline system.
For a lot of well thought out opinions on jacklines, try a search on this:http://www.cruisingworld.com/forums/gen ... /genlmesg/
I was lucky.
Buy the pulpit.
Good luck
Bill
mmmmmmbill@aol.com
I can only put this in a context that works for me, but I urge you to consider this:
About 2 months ago I got my new main and headsails, (much later then I hoped (my fault)), and the day I got them it was blowing about 18/23 Knts. I had to go try out the new sails, and my excitement got the better of me. 20 minutes after I raised the new sails the I was in a difficult place.
I, in my haste & overconfidence, had not rigged the reefing system, and boy, did I need it then. The mainsheet shackle blew out, and I had to stall the boat, retrieve the boom and set up again. I felt panicky, and had to work against myself in the chop and difficult wind to fix everything. After I had convinced myself that I had not really put myself in a lot of danger, I fixed the problem (believe it or not, I had a spare shackle); I decided to continue, and after another 40 minutes of fighting the boat (should have reefed, should have reefed) I got back to my inlet ( I live on a lagoon system) and went forward to drop the jib.
As you most likely know by now, the Ty can hobbyhorse in a steep chop. The chop by my inlet seems more severe then most (hydrogeology is destiny)and this was a worse day.
I went forward and knelt to drop the jib (releasing the halyard did not do it). We got hit by a wave
I was thrown upward to a level where my legs (from the splayed kneeling position) were above the pulpit top rail. As the boat moved sideways, I came down with one knee off the the boat, and one on. The worst part was that my ankle hit the rubrail, and I still have a raised bone bruse to this day. The pain went right to my head, and I beleive I was shocked.
But what kept me on the boat was the pulpit.
No pulpit, and I would have been off the boat. Alone.
I can swim, and I could have made it to land, but land by me is fully bulkheaded, and in the custom of my neighborhood, the people by the bayfront do not spend much time outdoors in a heatwave. All our land bulkheads are built to a 6' level. and are hard to climb when you are tired and frazeled.
Most of the area that you would drill for a pulpit/lifeline system in most Ty's is solid FRP for about 4 inches in from the toerail. In most cases you do not even have to seal the core to run the bolts. I use a 1/2' marine ply backing plate on anything that does not have a built in backup.
My harness system consists of a West Marine safety tether hooked to my inflatable PFD (automatic(I singlehand))and a Shaeffer pad eye installed in the cockpit sole. It does not reach the foredeck.
I have installed a jib downhaul system. $20 tops. I cannot believe I went wihout it for five years.
Buy the pulpit; Think hard about the lifelines. You may do better with a jackline system.
For a lot of well thought out opinions on jacklines, try a search on this:http://www.cruisingworld.com/forums/gen ... /genlmesg/
I was lucky.
Buy the pulpit.
Good luck
Bill
mmmmmmbill@aol.com
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Harris
Lifelines
Lifelines on a boat under 25 feet are a false sense of security. They are useful if you have small children and add netting but that would be unsightly on a Ty. On a Ty when it is heeled and sailing you arent actually strolling down the sidedeck but shouldbe leaning inwards and holding onto the grabrails on the cabintop. Usually I go over the top of the cabin. Lifelines as low as they are on the ty might just trip you and send you into the water head first instead of feet first.....plus you might get injured hitting the top of a stanchion. The closest I came to every really having someone injured on my boat was a passenger getting off the boat when it was laying along a floating dock. They didnt notice the lifeone and ended up getting off the boat headfirst. Also a member of my YC ended up having a mishap getting into his dinghy. He ended up hanging off the side of the boat with his leg wrapped around a stanchion and his foot caught in the lifeline. If someone didnt row out to save him...he'd still be hanging there. Funny.....the fact that I removedthe lifelines from my boat made selling it more difficult. If you do so....always keep the fittings for a new owner.
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Ed Armstrong
Re: Anyone ever install stanchions on a Ty wkndr?
Yes, I had considered this, that if I added lifelines and bow/stern pulpits, I would also need webbing to keep the little one inside the boat. But I think you're right. I really like the lines of the Ty, and adding the extra hardware would degrade the aesthetics. I'll just have to be comfortable with tethering her while she's in the cockpit.
Thanks,
Ed
ed.armstrong@innercite.com
Thanks,
Ed
Craig wrote: I too had a bow pulpit on my Ty at the time of purchase. I removed it because I didn't like the aesthetics of it. You might consider jack lines in the cockpit and using a harness on your daughter if you are concerned about safety. Life lines do not provide protection against going overboard and would seem unsightly and overkill on a Ty. I have sailed in pretty brisk weather with my eight year old son and have always felt safe.
Craig
Ed Armstrong wrote: If anyone has pictures online of their Ty with bow pulpit, stern rails, or stanchions, I'd be interested in seeing how it looks. I've also considered installing same on our "new" Ty, mainly to increase my comfort level when I eventually bring our 2 year old daughter on-board.
TIA. Ed
Sean Morgan wrote: Hi all,
I am considering installing lifeline stanchions on our "new" Ty, #1361. Has anyone out there ever done this on their Ty? If so, how did it go? Did you have to install a bow pulpit as well? Any feedback would be appreciated. TIA,
Sean Morgan
s/v IRIE
ed.armstrong@innercite.com