I have a contract to purchase a CD33. During the survey, no emergency tiller and no wrench to remove the access plate at the base of the cockpit was on the boat (and the owner says he doesnt have them).
For the life of me, I don't know how the seller would go sailing without them but he has for about 10 years.
Any ideas on where to purchase these items.
Dave Low
davidlow@erols.com
CD33 Emergency Tiller
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Ken Coit
Re: CD33 Emergency Tiller
Dave,
I suggest that you find a shop that welds mild steel and have them fabricate a tiller. Maybe Robinhood has someone that makes them up in ME. http://robinhoodmarinecenter.com/
Basically, the emergency tiller is two tubes with an inside dimension large enough to slide over the rudder shaft. They are welded together in a dog leg, the shorter end being long enough to slide over the shaft and short enough to clear the lazarette when sliding it on. There is a rectangular key welded into the shorter arm to lock the emergency tiller to the shaft. The longer arm is at an angle as close to 90 degrees as possible (not very, maybe 135 degrees) that will allow the tiller to clear the wheel. Perhaps someone can give you the dimensions faster than I, but if you are patient, I will measure Parfait's emergency tiller and let you know those dimensions. Of course, Parfait is a 36, so there might be some differences.
As for the key for the access plate, Parfait's is simply a continuous mild steel rod that has been bent in the shape of a "Y" with bends 90 degrees out of the plane of the arms of the Y at the tops of the arms. On edge, the handle is probably 30 degrees out of the plane of the arms, to save your knuckles. The rod diameter of the key is slightly less than that of the holes in the access plate. Again, a welding shop ought to be able to handle this, or Robinhood may have a source.
Both require paint for longevity.
Let me know if you want the measurements.
Ken Coit
S/V Parfait
CD-36 #84
Raleigh, NC
parfait@nc.rr.com
I suggest that you find a shop that welds mild steel and have them fabricate a tiller. Maybe Robinhood has someone that makes them up in ME. http://robinhoodmarinecenter.com/
Basically, the emergency tiller is two tubes with an inside dimension large enough to slide over the rudder shaft. They are welded together in a dog leg, the shorter end being long enough to slide over the shaft and short enough to clear the lazarette when sliding it on. There is a rectangular key welded into the shorter arm to lock the emergency tiller to the shaft. The longer arm is at an angle as close to 90 degrees as possible (not very, maybe 135 degrees) that will allow the tiller to clear the wheel. Perhaps someone can give you the dimensions faster than I, but if you are patient, I will measure Parfait's emergency tiller and let you know those dimensions. Of course, Parfait is a 36, so there might be some differences.
As for the key for the access plate, Parfait's is simply a continuous mild steel rod that has been bent in the shape of a "Y" with bends 90 degrees out of the plane of the arms of the Y at the tops of the arms. On edge, the handle is probably 30 degrees out of the plane of the arms, to save your knuckles. The rod diameter of the key is slightly less than that of the holes in the access plate. Again, a welding shop ought to be able to handle this, or Robinhood may have a source.
Both require paint for longevity.
Let me know if you want the measurements.
Ken Coit
S/V Parfait
CD-36 #84
Raleigh, NC
David Low wrote: I have a contract to purchase a CD33. During the survey, no emergency tiller and no wrench to remove the access plate at the base of the cockpit was on the boat (and the owner says he doesnt have them).
For the life of me, I don't know how the seller would go sailing without them but he has for about 10 years.
Any ideas on where to purchase these items.
Dave Low
parfait@nc.rr.com
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: CD33 Emergency Tiller, measurements...
Dave,
Search the board for "Emergency tiller, measurements". The measurements are for a CD-30, but I would think the rudder shaft is the same size on the 33. I posted them a few months ago, and the description may help ya out....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
Search the board for "Emergency tiller, measurements". The measurements are for a CD-30, but I would think the rudder shaft is the same size on the 33. I posted them a few months ago, and the description may help ya out....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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Bob Loewenstein
Re: CD33 Emergency Tiller
The wrench (deck plate key) can be purchased at Defender, West or BoatUS. It's a bronze doohickey that has a long shaft and a shorter one hinged near the middle of the longer one. Using the hinge, you can adjust the spacing between the ends of the shafts to fit any size deck plate. Hard to explain. Needs a picture.
I have a Defender catalog here at work...$7.50 p.179.
Bob
rfl@yerkes.uchicago.edu
I have a Defender catalog here at work...$7.50 p.179.
Bob
rfl@yerkes.uchicago.edu
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Skip Medeiros
Re: CD33 Emergency Tiller
Dave:
I'l be aboard this weekend and would be happy to make some measurements for you if your need is immediate. Alternatively, after we haul in December, we can probably work out a way for you and/or your machinist to borrow it for use as a template. We are on Long Island - any chance you are close?
Skip
1984 CD 33 Alosa
Hull No. 112
Whmedeios@bnl.gov
I'l be aboard this weekend and would be happy to make some measurements for you if your need is immediate. Alternatively, after we haul in December, we can probably work out a way for you and/or your machinist to borrow it for use as a template. We are on Long Island - any chance you are close?
Skip
1984 CD 33 Alosa
Hull No. 112
Whmedeios@bnl.gov
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Catherine Monaghan
Re: deck plate key
You can get a look at the <a href="http://www.boatus-store.com/MC_Online/B ... 29">bronze deck plate key</a> on the BoatUS website.
Cathy
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
Cathy
Bob Loewenstein wrote: The wrench (deck plate key) can be purchased at Defender, West or BoatUS. It's a bronze doohickey that has a long shaft and a shorter one hinged near the middle of the longer one. Using the hinge, you can adjust the spacing between the ends of the shafts to fit any size deck plate. Hard to explain. Needs a picture.
I have a Defender catalog here at work...$7.50 p.179.
Bob
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
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Chris Scheck
Re: CD33 Emergency Tiller
Dave --
Wise to get that emergency tiller. As several other posters have said, an adjustable deck plate key is a common enough item at the big marine supply places. May I suggest that a spare of anything this important is a good idea.
We had already owned Ragtime, our CD33, for about 7 seasons when it occurred to us that, yes, we had the tiller and two deckplate keys, but we had never actually opened the deck plate. Wouldn't you know it was frozen solid when we tried to open it? We dribbled WD40 into the threads and tapped on the wrench for almost 3 hours before the plate finally budged even a fraction. Now we remove the plate and grease the threads every season. This has got to be the most overlooked piece of safety equipment on a boat.
After that experience, I made it a point to install the emergency tiller and sail the boat for a while while the weather was calm. This might be a good thing to do in conjunction with a man-overboard drill.
Chris Scheck
"Ragtime"
CD33 #117
cscheck@aol.com
Wise to get that emergency tiller. As several other posters have said, an adjustable deck plate key is a common enough item at the big marine supply places. May I suggest that a spare of anything this important is a good idea.
We had already owned Ragtime, our CD33, for about 7 seasons when it occurred to us that, yes, we had the tiller and two deckplate keys, but we had never actually opened the deck plate. Wouldn't you know it was frozen solid when we tried to open it? We dribbled WD40 into the threads and tapped on the wrench for almost 3 hours before the plate finally budged even a fraction. Now we remove the plate and grease the threads every season. This has got to be the most overlooked piece of safety equipment on a boat.
After that experience, I made it a point to install the emergency tiller and sail the boat for a while while the weather was calm. This might be a good thing to do in conjunction with a man-overboard drill.
Chris Scheck
"Ragtime"
CD33 #117
cscheck@aol.com