I have been a miserable SOB over the last month because I did not have Internet access and missed my daily CD bulletin board perusal. Now and I am back and looking forward to checking out the previous messages.
I would appreciate getting some advise on the idea of converting my staysail to a furler system. My father has recently retired and he is now using the boat on a more frequent basis. While he is sailing single-handed he is reluctant to set the staysail, even if he heaves to, due to the requirement for him going forward. I am considering adding a new furler system, in addition to headsail furler which my Yankee is currently on.
Any thoughts or experiences would be appreciated.
FYI – I have also just added lazy-jacks, which I purchased off this board, and he cannot stop thanking me!
Chris Reinke
CD330 - Innisfail
chris.reinke@saccapital.com
Hi All - Fuller on Staysail?
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: Lazy jacks ???
Chris,
Did I sell you the lazy jacks? I forget who got them. If I did, how did the installation go? Everything fit OK? Glad you are back on the board, good to hear from you again.
Hanalei doesn't have a furler on the stays'l. It might be nice if I was always single handed.
At any rate, glad that your father likes the lazy jacks, sure must make it easier for him when single handed.
We had quite a time with Hanalei the end of the summer. The shaft coupling broke, allowed the shaft to whip around and break free the shaft log- she was going DOWN! Cost $6,000.00 to fix all the damage! But, she is all fixed now with a new transmission, exhaust manifold, fiberglass work to the hull and a host of other stuff. Oh, and she is now on the hard! Darn, just get it all fixed and had to pull her for the winter. Hope Spring comes soon.....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
Did I sell you the lazy jacks? I forget who got them. If I did, how did the installation go? Everything fit OK? Glad you are back on the board, good to hear from you again.
Hanalei doesn't have a furler on the stays'l. It might be nice if I was always single handed.
At any rate, glad that your father likes the lazy jacks, sure must make it easier for him when single handed.
We had quite a time with Hanalei the end of the summer. The shaft coupling broke, allowed the shaft to whip around and break free the shaft log- she was going DOWN! Cost $6,000.00 to fix all the damage! But, she is all fixed now with a new transmission, exhaust manifold, fiberglass work to the hull and a host of other stuff. Oh, and she is now on the hard! Darn, just get it all fixed and had to pull her for the winter. Hope Spring comes soon.....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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Fred Adame
Re: Hi All - Fuller on Staysail?
I have roller furling on the staysail on my CD-31. Keep in mind that you also need an outhaul led aft to the cockpit in addition to the sheet. This is because the sheet only controls the staysail boom and does not unfurl the sail itself. You probably have some sort of outhaul now but it may not be led to the cockpit. It all works fine but does result in quite a few lines aft. Color coded lines are a must for me.
Fred Adame
CD-31 Astrea
Merritt Island, FL
fnav@earthlink.net
Fred Adame
CD-31 Astrea
Merritt Island, FL
fnav@earthlink.net
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Bill Goldsmith
Re: Lazy jacks ???
Dave:
Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Didn't you have an upgraded shaft log setup on Hanalei, a bronze tube if I recall correctly? Did you (hopefully) have insurance coverage for the repairs?
Can you give us some 20/20 hindsight on what to watch out for with shaft couplings, such as aspects of inspection and danger signs?
Thanks
Bill Goldsmith
goldy@bestweb.net
Sorry to hear about your misfortune. Didn't you have an upgraded shaft log setup on Hanalei, a bronze tube if I recall correctly? Did you (hopefully) have insurance coverage for the repairs?
Can you give us some 20/20 hindsight on what to watch out for with shaft couplings, such as aspects of inspection and danger signs?
Thanks
Bill Goldsmith
D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Chris,
Did I sell you the lazy jacks? I forget who got them. If I did, how did the installation go? Everything fit OK? Glad you are back on the board, good to hear from you again.
Hanalei doesn't have a furler on the stays'l. It might be nice if I was always single handed.
At any rate, glad that your father likes the lazy jacks, sure must make it easier for him when single handed.
We had quite a time with Hanalei the end of the summer. The shaft coupling broke, allowed the shaft to whip around and break free the shaft log- she was going DOWN! Cost $6,000.00 to fix all the damage! But, she is all fixed now with a new transmission, exhaust manifold, fiberglass work to the hull and a host of other stuff. Oh, and she is now on the hard! Darn, just get it all fixed and had to pull her for the winter. Hope Spring comes soon.....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
goldy@bestweb.net
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Chris Reinke
Re: Lazy jacks ???
Dave - I am the fellow who purchased your used lazy jacks. I only got them installed a few weeks before she came out, but they worked great.
Regarding the shaft coupling - I had mine go while 20nm off Cape Hatteras. The shaft ended up sliding back and inhibiting my steerage and so the nice fellows in the white boats and orange bow stripe were called. They are FANTASTIC! They towed me in once I hit 5 mile off. An examination of the failed coupling fractures showed no signs of age. The mechanic who checked out my repair work prior to departure indicated that the coupling had probably suffered from fatigue and micro stress fractures. He said it is usually about a 50/50 shot if a visual inspection would have indicated any problems prior to the catastrophic failure. He recommended a visual inspection each season and anytime you may hit a submerged object.
Regarding the shaft coupling - I had mine go while 20nm off Cape Hatteras. The shaft ended up sliding back and inhibiting my steerage and so the nice fellows in the white boats and orange bow stripe were called. They are FANTASTIC! They towed me in once I hit 5 mile off. An examination of the failed coupling fractures showed no signs of age. The mechanic who checked out my repair work prior to departure indicated that the coupling had probably suffered from fatigue and micro stress fractures. He said it is usually about a 50/50 shot if a visual inspection would have indicated any problems prior to the catastrophic failure. He recommended a visual inspection each season and anytime you may hit a submerged object.
D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Chris,
Did I sell you the lazy jacks? I forget who got them. If I did, how did the installation go? Everything fit OK? Glad you are back on the board, good to hear from you again.
Hanalei doesn't have a furler on the stays'l. It might be nice if I was always single handed.
At any rate, glad that your father likes the lazy jacks, sure must make it easier for him when single handed.
We had quite a time with Hanalei the end of the summer. The shaft coupling broke, allowed the shaft to whip around and break free the shaft log- she was going DOWN! Cost $6,000.00 to fix all the damage! But, she is all fixed now with a new transmission, exhaust manifold, fiberglass work to the hull and a host of other stuff. Oh, and she is now on the hard! Darn, just get it all fixed and had to pull her for the winter. Hope Spring comes soon.....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: Shaft log....
Bill,
What Chris said about micro-stress cracking is probably what took out Hanaleis' coupling. First, it had happened long ago, probably before we purchased her three years ago. The forward end of the coupling is forged to the output shaft of the transmission(Hurth). It was a cross shaped forging, with 3/8" holes for bolts in each end of the cross(4). One of the wings had broken off, the remaining bolts loosened and allowed the coupling to work. The mating holes in the round flange of the shaft side of the coupling had elongated to about 1"! We didn't notice any vibration because each time the transmission was put in gear the bolts racked into the slots that were being created in the round part of the coupling. It finally worked free enough that the shaft started to whip around, and that broke the shaft log free at the stern.
The shaft log is NOT standard CD. The standard log was simply a piece of fiberglass tube, with a short piece of rubber hose and then the stuffing box. This really wasn't a good design, as a little vibration would crack the fiberglas and down ya go! It had been replaced by the previous owner with a proper shaft log/external cutlass bearing housing that is all bronze and about 6-8" long(available commercialy). Attached to it inside is a piece of rubber hose and then the stuffing box.
Anyhow, it made a mess, and was expensive. As far as checking it, don't know if a survey would have even detected it, as it is very hard to see. I guess sometimes s*&% happens. But she is all ready for next year. Have a good time on half-pay....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
What Chris said about micro-stress cracking is probably what took out Hanaleis' coupling. First, it had happened long ago, probably before we purchased her three years ago. The forward end of the coupling is forged to the output shaft of the transmission(Hurth). It was a cross shaped forging, with 3/8" holes for bolts in each end of the cross(4). One of the wings had broken off, the remaining bolts loosened and allowed the coupling to work. The mating holes in the round flange of the shaft side of the coupling had elongated to about 1"! We didn't notice any vibration because each time the transmission was put in gear the bolts racked into the slots that were being created in the round part of the coupling. It finally worked free enough that the shaft started to whip around, and that broke the shaft log free at the stern.
The shaft log is NOT standard CD. The standard log was simply a piece of fiberglass tube, with a short piece of rubber hose and then the stuffing box. This really wasn't a good design, as a little vibration would crack the fiberglas and down ya go! It had been replaced by the previous owner with a proper shaft log/external cutlass bearing housing that is all bronze and about 6-8" long(available commercialy). Attached to it inside is a piece of rubber hose and then the stuffing box.
Anyhow, it made a mess, and was expensive. As far as checking it, don't know if a survey would have even detected it, as it is very hard to see. I guess sometimes s*&% happens. But she is all ready for next year. Have a good time on half-pay....
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30