Hi:
Juno (CD25D) was hit by hurricane María in Puerto Rico, but it is still floats!! The teak rail (port and starboard-suffered the most- sides) was badly damage and it needs to be replace. I appreciate it very much if someone could tell me a place to order this teak rail that would fit a CD25D.
Thank you very much.
Carlos
CD25D-Juno hit by hurricane María and need replacements
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CD25D-Juno hit by hurricane María and need replacements
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Maine_Buzzard
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Re: CD25D-Juno hit by hurricane María and need replacements
Hola Carlos,
Sorry to see the damage, glad to see it still floats. No supplier will have that exact dimension toerail available to order, but a good boat yard or skilled woodworker can make matching ones out of teak.
Material cost is about $35 per board foot in the mainland, and expect to need about 25 -30 board feet of raw stock, in what's called 6/4 thickness (rough, 1.5" thick).
It will need to be scarfed together (tapering the ends and then gluing the pieces to make one long piece. Two joints will be required for each of the pieces with 10' long stock. It then gets shaped with the taper on the sides and curve across the top. The four pieces of old rail will need to be completely removed and the new ones fitted to the boat. Screws every 1-2' and plugs to cover the screw holes. It would not make sense to try to patch them.
Scarf joint:
I'd guess about about 40 hours repair time, at whatever the costs are.
Consider using Iroko instead of Teak. it's about $12 per board foot. If you have a friend with a table saw, this would be a good project to learn woodworking from a skilled person. Take the old rail off and clean up the fiberglass. Fill the old holes in. Scarf and shape the new pieces and drill new holes in the hull/deck joint.
https://tridentlottie.com/hull/new-toerail/
It would also be wise to have someone familiar with storm damage repair look at the hull and deck joint. Some of the hull looks to have been hit hard.
PR is a beautiful place, and we appreciated the people when we visited. I'm very sad to see the damage, and the slow Federal response. I fear that many of the 3 million residents will have some very difficult choices in the future.
Sorry to see the damage, glad to see it still floats. No supplier will have that exact dimension toerail available to order, but a good boat yard or skilled woodworker can make matching ones out of teak.
Material cost is about $35 per board foot in the mainland, and expect to need about 25 -30 board feet of raw stock, in what's called 6/4 thickness (rough, 1.5" thick).
It will need to be scarfed together (tapering the ends and then gluing the pieces to make one long piece. Two joints will be required for each of the pieces with 10' long stock. It then gets shaped with the taper on the sides and curve across the top. The four pieces of old rail will need to be completely removed and the new ones fitted to the boat. Screws every 1-2' and plugs to cover the screw holes. It would not make sense to try to patch them.
Scarf joint:
I'd guess about about 40 hours repair time, at whatever the costs are.
Consider using Iroko instead of Teak. it's about $12 per board foot. If you have a friend with a table saw, this would be a good project to learn woodworking from a skilled person. Take the old rail off and clean up the fiberglass. Fill the old holes in. Scarf and shape the new pieces and drill new holes in the hull/deck joint.
https://tridentlottie.com/hull/new-toerail/
It would also be wise to have someone familiar with storm damage repair look at the hull and deck joint. Some of the hull looks to have been hit hard.
PR is a beautiful place, and we appreciated the people when we visited. I'm very sad to see the damage, and the slow Federal response. I fear that many of the 3 million residents will have some very difficult choices in the future.
James
Re: CD25D-Juno hit by hurricane María and need replacements
Hi James:
Thanks for your prompt reply and suggestions. I also appreciate it very much your concern. Yeah , we got hit hard by Hurricane María. But I am sure that we will rise from this catastrophic event.
Take care
Carlos
Thanks for your prompt reply and suggestions. I also appreciate it very much your concern. Yeah , we got hit hard by Hurricane María. But I am sure that we will rise from this catastrophic event.
Take care
Carlos
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Steven_Shore
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Re: CD25D-Juno hit by hurricane María and need replacements
Carlos,
My heart goes out to you, your neighbors and everybody over there. As an American, I am ashamed by the Federal response and appalled by the Tweet that Whitefish put out to Mayor Cruz yesterday.
A few years back, my Typhoon, which I had just acquired, broke off it's mooring in a gale and washed up against a sea wall and then became lodged between a dock and a seawall. Just about all the teak rails were destroyed, the bow pulpit ripped off, the motor mount was torn off, the engine was submerged, and the roller fuller and genoa were destroyed. There were two fist sized holes below the waterline and twenty five holes on deck, not to mention scratches and gouges across the starboard topsides.
At the time, I knew nothing about boat restoration and besides being mechanically inclined, had no carpentry or glass repair skills. I spent the winter looking at YouTube videos. In particular there was a midwestern guy who has a series called Boatworks Today. His videos were super clear and indispensable. Here's a link to one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zka0i0S ... FuTKM26m3W
I had a rigger repair some of the damaged standing rigging but other than that it was just me and a couple of buddies. It took us about six weeks of occasional afternoons and weekends. One HUGE exception. One of my friends is a builder and he introduced me to a smart young assistant cabinet maker who was able to source, mill and help us install the rails for less than I was able to source teak myself on the open market.
Looking at your damage I think the Boatworks Today videos should be a big help. What I did was, as suggested above, remove the damaged rails. In my case that was all of them, yours may not be so bad. Then I filled the screw holes using West Systems epoxy, West Systems filler and syringes and smoothed everything out with a palm sander. I carefully followed Boatworks lessons to repair the below waterline and deck holes. It came out beautifully. As much as I hated to see original gelcoat go, I committed to the Interlux two part epoxy topsides paint. I filled the gouges with marine bondo, filled and faired the various holes, patched and hand painted the hull and the deck.
I too had been warned about the deck/hull joints but Cape Dorys are built like brick 'you know whats' so I tested the joints by spraying a power washer at them and found no leaks and left it at that. Four years later, I haven't sunk yet.
I would imagine that your big challenge will be finding lumber and carpenters in the midst of your calamity.
I have no idea about how to load images on this ancient design forum but if you PM me I'll send you a few pix.
Best of luck Carlos. I feel you, man.
My heart goes out to you, your neighbors and everybody over there. As an American, I am ashamed by the Federal response and appalled by the Tweet that Whitefish put out to Mayor Cruz yesterday.
A few years back, my Typhoon, which I had just acquired, broke off it's mooring in a gale and washed up against a sea wall and then became lodged between a dock and a seawall. Just about all the teak rails were destroyed, the bow pulpit ripped off, the motor mount was torn off, the engine was submerged, and the roller fuller and genoa were destroyed. There were two fist sized holes below the waterline and twenty five holes on deck, not to mention scratches and gouges across the starboard topsides.
At the time, I knew nothing about boat restoration and besides being mechanically inclined, had no carpentry or glass repair skills. I spent the winter looking at YouTube videos. In particular there was a midwestern guy who has a series called Boatworks Today. His videos were super clear and indispensable. Here's a link to one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zka0i0S ... FuTKM26m3W
I had a rigger repair some of the damaged standing rigging but other than that it was just me and a couple of buddies. It took us about six weeks of occasional afternoons and weekends. One HUGE exception. One of my friends is a builder and he introduced me to a smart young assistant cabinet maker who was able to source, mill and help us install the rails for less than I was able to source teak myself on the open market.
Looking at your damage I think the Boatworks Today videos should be a big help. What I did was, as suggested above, remove the damaged rails. In my case that was all of them, yours may not be so bad. Then I filled the screw holes using West Systems epoxy, West Systems filler and syringes and smoothed everything out with a palm sander. I carefully followed Boatworks lessons to repair the below waterline and deck holes. It came out beautifully. As much as I hated to see original gelcoat go, I committed to the Interlux two part epoxy topsides paint. I filled the gouges with marine bondo, filled and faired the various holes, patched and hand painted the hull and the deck.
I too had been warned about the deck/hull joints but Cape Dorys are built like brick 'you know whats' so I tested the joints by spraying a power washer at them and found no leaks and left it at that. Four years later, I haven't sunk yet.
I would imagine that your big challenge will be finding lumber and carpenters in the midst of your calamity.
I have no idea about how to load images on this ancient design forum but if you PM me I'll send you a few pix.
Best of luck Carlos. I feel you, man.
Re: CD25D-Juno hit by hurricane María and need replacements
Dear Steven:
Thanks for your suggestions. I will check the video. Also , I appreciate very much your concern. The recovery will be slow, but we are moving forward. Because of the hurricane Maria communication (e.g., e-mail) is limited in Puerto Rico.
Integration of the deck/hull joint of Juno is a concern , and I have a friend knowledgeable about it that soon will let me know about its condition. But as you said, these Cape Dory are strong and withstand hard blows. Juno got hit by a loose boom of a adjacent sailboat during the hurricane.
If could you could send pictures, it will be great.
Thanks again
Carlos (cjrs472@gmail.com)
PS It always smell fishy this contract (already suspended) with Whitefish
Thanks for your suggestions. I will check the video. Also , I appreciate very much your concern. The recovery will be slow, but we are moving forward. Because of the hurricane Maria communication (e.g., e-mail) is limited in Puerto Rico.
Integration of the deck/hull joint of Juno is a concern , and I have a friend knowledgeable about it that soon will let me know about its condition. But as you said, these Cape Dory are strong and withstand hard blows. Juno got hit by a loose boom of a adjacent sailboat during the hurricane.
If could you could send pictures, it will be great.
Thanks again
Carlos (cjrs472@gmail.com)
PS It always smell fishy this contract (already suspended) with Whitefish