How Can I Tell If My CD27 is Blocked Level???

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Bill Goldsmith

How Can I Tell If My CD27 is Blocked Level???

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Pulled Second Chance (CD27) out for the season this weekend, a little earlier than usual. :( She is on the hard in a location at my YC where the ground is a bit uneven. I have leveled her out abeam using a carpenter's level across the bridge deck. However, where do I register the level to ensure the boat is level fore 'n aft? Registering on the cockpit seats shows nose-down, while the plywood settee base shows level. Do the cockpit seats slope nose down a bit toward the cockpit seat scuppers? Is there a better way that I am missing?

Bill Goldsmith
CD27
Secind Chance



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Chris Reinke (CD330 Innis

Re: How Can I Tell If My CD27 is Blocked Level???

Post by Chris Reinke (CD330 Innis »

Bill - No guarantees that it is correct, but I utilize a 4' framers level and hold it along the waterline to determine if she is sitting properly. I assume that the level waterline is the correct pitch to allow for proper drainage and hull / rigging stress.

Pulled Second Chance (CD27) out for the season this weekend, a little earlier than usual. :( She is on the hard in a location at my YC where the ground is a bit uneven. I have leveled her out abeam using a carpenter's level across the bridge deck. However, where do I register the level to ensure the boat is level fore 'n aft? Registering on the cockpit seats shows nose-down, while the plywood settee base shows level. Do the cockpit seats slope nose down a bit toward the cockpit seat scuppers? Is there a better way that I am missing?

Bill Goldsmith
CD27
Secind Chance
Don S

Re: How Can I Tell If My CD27 is Blocked Level???

Post by Don S »

Bill,
I leveled mine by dumping a bucket of water on the seat and then adjusted the poppits until the water ran off the seats but down the scuppers as well.

Don Sargeant
~~COQUINA~~
CD25D #189
Out of the cove 'til Spring
Pulled Second Chance (CD27) out for the season this weekend, a little earlier than usual. :( She is on the hard in a location at my YC where the ground is a bit uneven. I have leveled her out abeam using a carpenter's level across the bridge deck. However, where do I register the level to ensure the boat is level fore 'n aft? Registering on the cockpit seats shows nose-down, while the plywood settee base shows level. Do the cockpit seats slope nose down a bit toward the cockpit seat scuppers? Is there a better way that I am missing?

Bill Goldsmith
CD27
Secind Chance


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Tom Nolan

Re: How Can I Tell If My CD27 is Blocked Level???

Post by Tom Nolan »

One way is to use clear plastic tubing as a level.
Obtain a piece of clear tubing long enough to reach between the leveling points in question (i.e. bow to stern waterline).
Make sure there is enough excess to form a bow(bend) or semi-circle so the hose will not be stretched tight.
Attach the clear hosing to the hull using tape or some other method.
Attach one side to the bow and one side to the stern along the waterline for a fore and aft leveling.
or ...attach one side to the starboard water line and the other side to the port water line for a side to side leveling.
Fill the hose with water until the water level in the hose is exactly level with one of the points in question (i.e. the waterline).
The water level at the other end of the hose will be exactly the same level and can be used as a gauge to level the boat.
Easier done than said (written).

Bill,
I leveled mine by dumping a bucket of water on the seat and then adjusted the poppits until the water ran off the seats but down the scuppers as well.

Don Sargeant
~~COQUINA~~
CD25D #189
Out of the cove 'til Spring
Pulled Second Chance (CD27) out for the season this weekend, a little earlier than usual. :( She is on the hard in a location at my YC where the ground is a bit uneven. I have leveled her out abeam using a carpenter's level across the bridge deck. However, where do I register the level to ensure the boat is level fore 'n aft? Registering on the cockpit seats shows nose-down, while the plywood settee base shows level. Do the cockpit seats slope nose down a bit toward the cockpit seat scuppers? Is there a better way that I am missing?

Bill Goldsmith
CD27
Secind Chance
Harris

What difference does does fore/aft leveling make?

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Obviously side to side will ensure that the boat doesn't fall over or unduely stress one side of the hull but I am curious what the importance of fore and aft leveling. In 20 years my boat has been blocked with the keel on the ground method (crude eh?) which is bow down by a good degree as well a having the keel blocked which is closer to level. the only thing I can think of is that the cockpit drains are forward and in this case bow down and level seem fine? As I have a 23 Sea Sprite I could probably store the boat lying on it's side and not hurt it. Is there something involving bigger boats that makes fore and aft leveling important?



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Bill Goldsmith

Re: What difference does does fore/aft leveling make?

Post by Bill Goldsmith »

Harris:

Maybe it means less than I think it does, and I welcome suggestions. I am basically concerned about drainage around the companionway slider if it were nose-down. Any water getting into the channel there has to drain aft toward the cockpit, or else it will pool in the front of that channel and potentially drip into the cabin. When I first saw my boat it was blocked nose down and there was water pooling in the front of the cabin near the head. Even though the boat wasn't mine yet I adjusted the stands nose level so the water drained into the bilge. Never saw water in the cabin again.

Bill Goldsmith
CD27
Second Chance


Obviously side to side will ensure that the boat doesn't fall over or unduely stress one side of the hull but I am curious what the importance of fore and aft leveling. In 20 years my boat has been blocked with the keel on the ground method (crude eh?) which is bow down by a good degree as well a having the keel blocked which is closer to level. the only thing I can think of is that the cockpit drains are forward and in this case bow down and level seem fine? As I have a 23 Sea Sprite I could probably store the boat lying on it's side and not hurt it. Is there something involving bigger boats that makes fore and aft leveling important?


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Neil Gordon

Re: What difference does does fore/aft leveling make?

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>>... the only thing I can think of is that the cockpit drains are forward and in this case bow down and level seem fine?<<

I'm *level* with the bow just a bit up. This allows the cockpit and the deck to drain properly. In my experience, the covered boat gets more water on deck then in the cockpit. If it can't drain, it will pool right at a stanchion base.

Regards, Neil
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Cape Dory 28 #167



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M. R. Bober

It may make a difference

Post by M. R. Bober »

A few years ago the yard blocked TIA MARI, our 1979 CD27', bow up. We generally placed a tarp over the boom to partially cover the boat. With that configuration and a great deal of snow (for Annapolis) the results were surprising. As we all know the CD27' has cockpit drains FORWARD, but with the bow up water/snow/ice accumulated in the aft end of the cockpit (and the cockpit lockers' tops). With the freeze-thaw cycle, I found a bilge sized ice cube, which would have lasted most of the cruising season. Safely removing the ice was an absolutely bone chilling misery involving the prone position on an unheated cabin's sole for hours (with propane torch, ice pick, antifreeze, profane oathes, et al.)
For my two cents, rather than ever deal with that situation again, I'll go bow down.
Hope this helps.
Mitchell Bober
RESPITE
CD330



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Neil Gordon

Re: It may make a difference

Post by Neil Gordon »

>>With the freeze-thaw cycle, I found a bilge sized ice cube, ...<<

No matter how you cover the boat, assume that water will get in and work its way to the bilge.

Once I'm on the hard, I pump the bilge dry, then pour non-toxic antifreeze in. I run it through both bilge pumps to get the water out of them, and leave a nice dose of AF in place in the bilge.


Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167



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Don S.

Re: What difference does does fore/aft leveling make?

Post by Don S. »

I don't want ANY water lying on the deck anywhere to prevent seepage into the balsa core through those little "cosmetic" gelcoat cracks and freezing.
Don Sargeant
~~COQUINA~~
CD25D #189
Dry in Greenwich

Obviously side to side will ensure that the boat doesn't fall over or unduely stress one side of the hull but I am curious what the importance of fore and aft leveling. In 20 years my boat has been blocked with the keel on the ground method (crude eh?) which is bow down by a good degree as well a having the keel blocked which is closer to level. the only thing I can think of is that the cockpit drains are forward and in this case bow down and level seem fine? As I have a 23 Sea Sprite I could probably store the boat lying on it's side and not hurt it. Is there something involving bigger boats that makes fore and aft leveling important?


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