One More Time Re: CD 27 Anchor roller?

[Duncan]

I have been diligently searching the archives: as near as I can tell, there was a pin incorporated in the stemhead on later (1980's?) CD 27's? This pin carried a bow roller for an anchor.

From what I can summarize/surmise, some members here have these, but haven't posted photos. I also get the impression that enquiries to Spartan Marine haven't been fruitful.

I'd be very interested in seeing examples of the "original equipment", i.e. anchor rollers incorporated with the stemhead fitting. Judging by the threads on this subject, so would a number of other people.

If you have a photo, that would be much appreciated. I have my doubts that such a fitting could incorporate a Bruce or plow-type anchor with enough clearance, but "seeing's believing"?

[Cathy Monaghan]

Hi Duncan,

If none of the CD27 owners get back to you, maybe this will help.

Spartan Marine has their catalog online. Just go to:
http://www.spartanmarine.com/catalog.html

Once there, the first item listed in the index on the left side of the page is "Anchor Shaft Brackets". Click on that link. They are bow rollers for bowsprits. The 27 doesn't have a bowsprit, so I don't know what type of bracket CDY would have installed on it unless they were installed aftermarket by the original owners -- don't know. Anyway, I don't see any reason why you can't install a Windline anchor roller. Google "Windline anchor roller" and you'll find lots of places where you can get one.

Hope this helps,
Cathy
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay

[Duncan]

Thanks, Cathy. I've had a pretty good run through the Spartan catalog, and came up blank on this particular fitting.

There are a number of references in previous posts, but the photos aren't there anymore:

May 17, 2004 thread

I saw a CD 27 yesterday that had, what appeared to be, a very simple and slick way to add a roller for the anchor at the bow. It was a pin about 8" long with a roller on one end. The pin served as the shaft for the roller. The pin slid through 2 holes in the stem and was secured with a cotter pin. The owner of the CD 27 thought it came as original equipment. I called Spartan and they didn't know what I was talking about. Does anyone have any info on this? Thanks
revilo@gwi.net

May 26, 2004 thread

Several folks wanted to see a picture of the bow anchor roller on a CD 27. Here 'tis.
Cliff

[img]http://www.bts.edu/Guthrie/Cape%20Dory/ ... rsmall.jpg[/img]
cguthrie@bts.edu

June 2004 thread

Here is a beautiful bowsprit on Second Chance. This was clearly a factory-installed option that completely replaces the stemhead fitting. I have never seen or heard of another 27 with this factory-installed bowsprit, but it makes a great anchor/bow-roller platform. Note that the rig has not been modified--this sprit only holds the anchor and not any rigging load.

Bill Goldsmith
CD32#2
Loonsong

ex-Second Chance
CD27 #173

[img]http://users.bestweb.net/~goldy/Media/sprit1.jpg[/img]
goldyNOSPAM@bestweb.net

I dunno, these things may be like Leprechauns - as soon as you look close, there they are - gone!

I am still hoping some one who has one can re-post a photo.
Being a simple and nifty "factory" arrangement, it sounds very attractive.


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[Ron Churgin]

Hi Duncan,

I have been wrestling with this problem for a bit and think I have found a good solution. The forestay on Glory is pinned to the aft hole in the stem fitting. This means I have the two holes forward to clamp a simple L shaped bracket onto. The short arm of the bracket has holes matching the ones on the stem, the long arm is about two inches wide, though it can be wider. This long arm serves as a mounting base for any standard bow roller, you can match it to your desired anchor. I chose a short fairlead roller since they were compact and the least expensive.

The bracket I had custom made. I took a piece of cardboard to make a pattern. The short leg of the L shape needed to be cut off at a 45 degree angle to accomodate the inner shape of the stem fitting. By using cardboard it was easy to trim it to the right size.

I took the pattern to a metal fabricator who did a lot of stainless work. I showed it to him to get a price. He just laughed and said he could make that in two minutes. He used some scrap 1/8 stainless and bent it and cut it in a press in the predicted two minutes. He didnt even charge me for it.

I am not near the boat now, but will try and get some pictures posted. It seems very sturdy and solid, but I must issue a warning. I have not been out sailing with it, so it is untested.

[CruiseAlong]

The CD26 has just the stem piece with a roller built just to the starboard side. This was a one piece Spartan product. This is enough room for a CQR25. Picture at
http://hometown.aol.com/darenius/CapeDory/anchor.jpg

[Ron Churgin]

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[Ron Churgin]

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[Cathy Monaghan]

Thanks, Cathy. I've had a pretty good run through the Spartan catalog, and came up blank on this particular fitting.

There are a number of references in previous posts, but the photos aren't there anymore:......

You're not seeing the images because they've been moved or deleted by their owners.

Anyway, from the photos posted above, the CD27 stem fitting definitely was not designed to accommodate an anchor roller. But Ron Churgin's solution looks like it'll work.

Another option would be to purchase a pulpit mounted bracket for a Danforth style anchor or the rail mounted bracket. Of course this would only give you a place to store the anchor when not in use, it wouldn't aid in lowering or retrieving the anchor.


Rail mount



Pulipt mount

[Duncan]

Oh, that looks good. Thank you very much Ron!

[Carter Brey]

This is a bow view of a 1984 CD27 for sale a few years ago. It had what seemed to be an OEM Spartan stemhead fitting with integral anchor roller.

[img]http://pws.prserv.net/cbrey/1378985_19.jpg[/img]

[Duncan]

Wow, the real McCoy! Thank you very much, I think you should get the Distinguished Researcher award for digging that one up.

Practically speaking, I think Ron's design is where I'll end up, unless Spartan happens to have the mold for the old stemhead hanging around somewhere.

Any other photos of the original would be much appreciated, though, or sources for something in bronze.

Thanks again for clearing up an old mystery!

ps Thanks, Cathy, re: the Danforth/Fortress mount. If I ever find a stern pulpit, I think that's just the thing for a stern anchor.

[Duncan Maio]

A photo of the long lost Guthrie Roller can be found here:

http://mysite.verizon.net/dmaio/id2.html

I tried for a while this morning to upload a photo, but I am not at the office and am somewhat handicapped anyway.

One remaining example, except for the one I have not yet mounted on Remedy and the one I made for Cliff, is still under my desk. It requires drilling a couple of 1/2" holes through the stemhead fitting, and is not really intended for holding an anchor at rest - Ron's setup is much more robust and multipurpose. Let me know if you are interested.

[John Vigor]

Duncan, Carter's picture shows exactly the built in roller that I have on my 1983 CD 27.

It doesn't look like it, because of the angle from which that picture was taken, but my roller accommodates a 22-pound CQR locked in place without hitting the bow gelcoat.

I take a short line from the end of the shank to the bottom of a pulpit stanchion to hold the CQR rigidly in place. The CQR will also fit into my deck anchor locker (with a bit of fancy jiggling) on top of the rode, but it spends most of the sailing season on the bow roller, ready to be dropped as fast as I can undo two half-hitches.

Cheers,

John V.

[Duncan]

I just noticed another roller in a photo I had saved. This one is from aft, and I photoshopped it a bit to bring out details:



It's hard to say from the photos so far, but I think there's a chance this was welded onto the standard stem fitting (rather than being a new casting). If that's the case, welding on a Spartan bronze roller is beginning to look like a possibility.

There may be a chance of a dual-anchor setup, too, which could be very nice to have. This could perhaps be done by welding a bronze roller on to starboard, plus bolting on Ron's design on to port. I believe this could stagger their placement enough that both could fit.

It might be a lot of hardware up on the bow, but both anchors wouldn't always have to be in place. Overall, I think it could end up as a good seamanlike installation.

Anyway, many thanks to those who have provided information, and any more photos or details of the original rig could be very helpful.

[Duncan]

Well, I am still plugging away on this one. So far, I've found out that some of the 25D stemheads had a similar integrated bow roller setup.

So, apparently, did some other boats: here's a photo from eBay, where a similar fitting has been offered, salvaged from an unidentified 38' boat:



Unfortunately, it would appear that Cape Dory changed more than the stemhead fitting when they added the bow roller to it. The newer design incorporates a separate chainplate , as well as a "cast aluminum stemhead reinforcement glassed to hull":



Changing out the existing stemhead seems to require filling the existing attachment points, drilling and tapping new ones, adding a chainplate, and reinforcing it all to be equivalent to the "cast aluminum stemhead reinforcement" in the factory drawings.

The integrated bronze unit would look nice, but Ron Churgin's adaptation is starting to look a lot less problematic than rebuilding the whole bow arrangement, just to incorporate a roller!

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