This seems to be a definitive work. Thanks for the expertise and effort that went into your post. WE NEED A PLACE TO PUT THESE DEFINITIVE WORKS!
Chase,
Great video but tell Jeff to put on some shoes or you'll be fishing for him
Any fishermen out there?
Moderator: Jim Walsh
Dugout,
This seems to be a definitive work. Thanks for the expertise and effort that went into your post. WE NEED A PLACE TO PUT THESE DEFINITIVE WORKS!
Chase,
Great video but tell Jeff to put on some shoes or you'll be fishing for him
This seems to be a definitive work. Thanks for the expertise and effort that went into your post. WE NEED A PLACE TO PUT THESE DEFINITIVE WORKS!
Chase,
Great video but tell Jeff to put on some shoes or you'll be fishing for him
Sail on,
Jack
CD28 Sea Belle
Hailport - Rockland, ME
There are old sailors and bold sailors, but there are no old, bold sailors.
Reef early and often. It's easier to shake out a reef when one is bored than it is to tuck one in when one is scared.
When your only tool is a hammer, all your problems look like nails.
Jack
CD28 Sea Belle
Hailport - Rockland, ME
There are old sailors and bold sailors, but there are no old, bold sailors.
Reef early and often. It's easier to shake out a reef when one is bored than it is to tuck one in when one is scared.
When your only tool is a hammer, all your problems look like nails.
You have a PM waiting...
Dugout,
You have a PM waiting...
-michael
You have a PM waiting...
-michael
-michael & Toni CDSOA #789
s/v KAYLA CD28 #318
2012 FLSTC Heritage Classic
Niceville FL
+30° 30' 24.60", -86° 26' 32.10"
"Just because it worked, doesn't mean it works." -me
No shirt + No shorts = No problem!
s/v KAYLA CD28 #318
2012 FLSTC Heritage Classic
Niceville FL
+30° 30' 24.60", -86° 26' 32.10"
"Just because it worked, doesn't mean it works." -me
No shirt + No shorts = No problem!
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John Vigor
- Posts: 608
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The Incompleat Angler
I expect there must be some of you out there who like the idea of fishing from a sailboat but can't find space for fishing rods. To overcome that problem, I just clamp a reel straight onto the stainless-steel stern rail, which seems to be the same diameter as most rods. No need for expensive rod-holders. No awkward rods cluttering the place.
This isn't sport fishing, of course. We just winch them in. But the results are the same. We catch fish. We eat them. We fry them, we seethe them in lemon juice to make ceviche or Fish Tahitienne, and we make delicious gravlox from salmon.
With a reel clamped on the stern pulpit you're ready for quick action when you spot boiling water ahead or birds diving and working themselves into a feeding frenzy. And you don't have to find a place to put the rod and reel down afterward. It's simple and efficient -- and unsporting, but what the heck. Arrest me if you can.
Cheers,
John Vigor
This isn't sport fishing, of course. We just winch them in. But the results are the same. We catch fish. We eat them. We fry them, we seethe them in lemon juice to make ceviche or Fish Tahitienne, and we make delicious gravlox from salmon.
With a reel clamped on the stern pulpit you're ready for quick action when you spot boiling water ahead or birds diving and working themselves into a feeding frenzy. And you don't have to find a place to put the rod and reel down afterward. It's simple and efficient -- and unsporting, but what the heck. Arrest me if you can.
Cheers,
John Vigor
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Steve Laume
- Posts: 4131
- Joined: Feb 13th, '05, 20:40
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Rod holders
I have two rod holders and use fishing rods on Raven to make it fair to the fish. (John!) I don't really care about fairness, I want dinner. I only carried one trolling rod this summer but I didn't catch that many fish. One I caught because a passing boat was pointing to the fat end of my boat while I was up on the pointy end messing around with the sails or just hanging out there as I sometimes do. I looked back to see what they could possibly be going on about and I had a fish on! I think I had drown that one so he wasn't too much of a challenge. I sailed on a Baba 35 this fall that had it's rod holder mounted on a stanchion at the forward end of the cockpit. It seemed to be in the way when dealing with a dock but allowed you to keep an eye on the rod from the helm. I want to rig up a couple of those hand lines with bungees for next year. A better choice of lures would most likely make the most difference. I remember fishing in power boats and not trolling straight through fish on the surface because it would put them down. Fishing under sail definitely has some advantages, Steve.
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Oswego John
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Any Fisherman Out There?
Yessiree, moi. Ms Piggy taught me that one.
More years ago than I care to remember, I was a mate on a charter fishing boat. I tried the party boat scene once. Once was enough. Unbelievable material for anyone intending to write a book.
We fished out of Montauk, the southern tip of the fish's tail on the map of Long Island, NY. We originally tied up at Tuma's dock but later on, the Elsie K tied up on Star Island. We were two slips away from the Cricket II, the famous charter boat run by the infamous Capt. Frank Mundus. What a character he was. Many believe that Frank was the inspiration for Quint, of the movie Jaws.
http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?enc ... r&ie=UTF-8
Frank was one hellova gnarley, but great guy. We were sadly informed that he passed away this Sept., '08. Capt. Frank, it is believed, started the practice of first using cherry bombs and M 80s to rouse up the sharks. In his way of thinking, if using cherry bombs would attract sharks, how much better would the use of dynamite caps be. Oy vey. Say what they want about this rare captain, he produced what the customers were after. He had a gallows at his slip which sagged under the weight of all kinds of sharks for picture taking.
Steve, you are so right about never trolling through the middle of the school of fish. If you do, chances are that it will spook the school and they will sound. If you are alone or their aren'y many boats involved, if you make an indian circle around the school, your trailing tackle will pass through the school.
Also, when the charter boats as well as private boats are working an area, they all try to maintain trolling in one direction, reel in and come about 180° and rework the area. If everyone is working i.e. north/south, you can bet the barn that one or two idiots will troll east/west and foul many lines.
I've never trolled in a sailboat but I have bottom fished at my mooring. Maybe I'll give it a try next year.
Right now, as you read this, is about the end of a mass exodus of game fish, either heading south for the winter or heading back to the place that they were spawned. Uncountable thousands of stripers, blues and other game fish are passing past Orient and Montauk Points. The majority head southward past Montauk, down the Atlantic. However, lots of stripers (striped bass or rockfish) also swim westward down the Long Island Sound toward the Hudson River, which is a notable spawning grounds for stripers as well as shad.
Anyone ever hear of, or catch a tilefish? We made three days or more journeys out into the Hudson Canyon, used 16 pound sinkers and fished close to 350' - 400' deep. The end result of catching one of these golden beauties is well worth the effort. By hand, too. No electric reels.
There are all kinds of manmade lures and gadgets today to catch fish. We used to say "small bait - small fish". "Big bait - strap yourself in". Along somewhere in the late '40s or early '50s, someone who thought out of the box tried surgical tubing for a lure. Fishing has never been the same, since. We would carry literally dozens of different types and colors of lures on board. When the first fish was landed, we'd cut his belly open to see what the piece de resistance was for that day and quickly rerig the lines to match what they were biting on.
Lures are effective, so are natural baits. When you combine them, it's hard for the fish to resist. Someone earlier mentioned how a lure works. Picture three billion bait fish swimming as a group in symetry and one measly,wounded piece of bait flopping around in their midst. Bang, he's a goner.
Sand worms are a killer bait, although too expensive for commercial fishing. Some times we'd add a strip of pork rind, and always a strip of fresh squid to the lure. We never used lead fishing line. Most always we'd use wire line. There's a lot of elephant rocks off of Montauk. Mono line would cut too easily. There are all kinds of currents off of Block Island, Orient Pt and Montauk. If we had to go lower, we'd use a drail on the working end of the line.
If we had no charter for the day, we'd go commercial fishing. We always seemed to make a good days wage and had fun doing it. We usually left port before or at sun-up. It depended on the time of the year. One charter a day was more than adequate for everybody concerned. As I mentioned earlier, around haloween when the great fish migration was in full swing, we'd book two charters a day. We didn't mind too much because it wouldn't last very long and after the boat was hauled for the season, we'd have plenty of time off all winter to rest up, with plenty of coins jingling in our jeans.
There's one thing that used to really tick me off. Every captain wants the people fishing with him to catch fish. If you are a producer, customers and their offspring will return year after year. Just south of the Montauk lighthouse was an army artillery range called Fort Hero. It was a known fact that every morning near sunup, there would be a feeding frenzy. We used to call it a blitz. Most likely, we'd be taking fish as fast as we could horse them in. Right in the middle of the action, we'd hear reveille blown. Shortly after that, an army crash boat would come close and announce that firing would commence shortly. That was the end of the hottest fishing that anyone could imagine. We had to saddle up and get out of there, the captain could get in all sorts of trouble if he didn't.
After all the fishing boats were clear of the area, we could hear varrrooom, then psshh. Outgoing. Time to get out of Dodge and on to other fishing spots.
The young tyro fisherman (gal) has to understand that nature and timing has much to do with success. Tide, wind, resulting currents, water temperature, even time of the year. In the Long Island ,NY area, around St Paddy's day, the flounders were coming out of the mud. When the dogwood trees were blossoming, the blackfish were starting to bite. Memorial Day, the porgies were in. The 4th of July, the blues were in town. The end of July, early August, snappers and snapper blues filled the harbour. Those hot, summer nights were the best times to get those jumbo trophy stripers and sometime around Thanksgiving was the time to get out the cod rigs.
And now, I live 8 or 9 hours away from my old fishing grounds. But I'm still in the middle of good fishing, although it's sweet (fresh) water, not salt. Can you imagine my surprise when, after all these years, I was told that I needed a NYS license $$$ to fish. In a sense, I beat the system. I pay next to nothing because of the senior citizen thing, and my daughter pays the pittance as one of my birthday presents
Oh, there's so much more to tell you. For those that are still reading, I want to thank you for tolerating me this far. What the hay, it's Saturday, a typically slow day.
O J
More years ago than I care to remember, I was a mate on a charter fishing boat. I tried the party boat scene once. Once was enough. Unbelievable material for anyone intending to write a book.
We fished out of Montauk, the southern tip of the fish's tail on the map of Long Island, NY. We originally tied up at Tuma's dock but later on, the Elsie K tied up on Star Island. We were two slips away from the Cricket II, the famous charter boat run by the infamous Capt. Frank Mundus. What a character he was. Many believe that Frank was the inspiration for Quint, of the movie Jaws.
http://aolsearch.aol.com/aol/search?enc ... r&ie=UTF-8
Frank was one hellova gnarley, but great guy. We were sadly informed that he passed away this Sept., '08. Capt. Frank, it is believed, started the practice of first using cherry bombs and M 80s to rouse up the sharks. In his way of thinking, if using cherry bombs would attract sharks, how much better would the use of dynamite caps be. Oy vey. Say what they want about this rare captain, he produced what the customers were after. He had a gallows at his slip which sagged under the weight of all kinds of sharks for picture taking.
Steve, you are so right about never trolling through the middle of the school of fish. If you do, chances are that it will spook the school and they will sound. If you are alone or their aren'y many boats involved, if you make an indian circle around the school, your trailing tackle will pass through the school.
Also, when the charter boats as well as private boats are working an area, they all try to maintain trolling in one direction, reel in and come about 180° and rework the area. If everyone is working i.e. north/south, you can bet the barn that one or two idiots will troll east/west and foul many lines.
I've never trolled in a sailboat but I have bottom fished at my mooring. Maybe I'll give it a try next year.
Right now, as you read this, is about the end of a mass exodus of game fish, either heading south for the winter or heading back to the place that they were spawned. Uncountable thousands of stripers, blues and other game fish are passing past Orient and Montauk Points. The majority head southward past Montauk, down the Atlantic. However, lots of stripers (striped bass or rockfish) also swim westward down the Long Island Sound toward the Hudson River, which is a notable spawning grounds for stripers as well as shad.
Anyone ever hear of, or catch a tilefish? We made three days or more journeys out into the Hudson Canyon, used 16 pound sinkers and fished close to 350' - 400' deep. The end result of catching one of these golden beauties is well worth the effort. By hand, too. No electric reels.
There are all kinds of manmade lures and gadgets today to catch fish. We used to say "small bait - small fish". "Big bait - strap yourself in". Along somewhere in the late '40s or early '50s, someone who thought out of the box tried surgical tubing for a lure. Fishing has never been the same, since. We would carry literally dozens of different types and colors of lures on board. When the first fish was landed, we'd cut his belly open to see what the piece de resistance was for that day and quickly rerig the lines to match what they were biting on.
Lures are effective, so are natural baits. When you combine them, it's hard for the fish to resist. Someone earlier mentioned how a lure works. Picture three billion bait fish swimming as a group in symetry and one measly,wounded piece of bait flopping around in their midst. Bang, he's a goner.
Sand worms are a killer bait, although too expensive for commercial fishing. Some times we'd add a strip of pork rind, and always a strip of fresh squid to the lure. We never used lead fishing line. Most always we'd use wire line. There's a lot of elephant rocks off of Montauk. Mono line would cut too easily. There are all kinds of currents off of Block Island, Orient Pt and Montauk. If we had to go lower, we'd use a drail on the working end of the line.
If we had no charter for the day, we'd go commercial fishing. We always seemed to make a good days wage and had fun doing it. We usually left port before or at sun-up. It depended on the time of the year. One charter a day was more than adequate for everybody concerned. As I mentioned earlier, around haloween when the great fish migration was in full swing, we'd book two charters a day. We didn't mind too much because it wouldn't last very long and after the boat was hauled for the season, we'd have plenty of time off all winter to rest up, with plenty of coins jingling in our jeans.
There's one thing that used to really tick me off. Every captain wants the people fishing with him to catch fish. If you are a producer, customers and their offspring will return year after year. Just south of the Montauk lighthouse was an army artillery range called Fort Hero. It was a known fact that every morning near sunup, there would be a feeding frenzy. We used to call it a blitz. Most likely, we'd be taking fish as fast as we could horse them in. Right in the middle of the action, we'd hear reveille blown. Shortly after that, an army crash boat would come close and announce that firing would commence shortly. That was the end of the hottest fishing that anyone could imagine. We had to saddle up and get out of there, the captain could get in all sorts of trouble if he didn't.
After all the fishing boats were clear of the area, we could hear varrrooom, then psshh. Outgoing. Time to get out of Dodge and on to other fishing spots.
The young tyro fisherman (gal) has to understand that nature and timing has much to do with success. Tide, wind, resulting currents, water temperature, even time of the year. In the Long Island ,NY area, around St Paddy's day, the flounders were coming out of the mud. When the dogwood trees were blossoming, the blackfish were starting to bite. Memorial Day, the porgies were in. The 4th of July, the blues were in town. The end of July, early August, snappers and snapper blues filled the harbour. Those hot, summer nights were the best times to get those jumbo trophy stripers and sometime around Thanksgiving was the time to get out the cod rigs.
And now, I live 8 or 9 hours away from my old fishing grounds. But I'm still in the middle of good fishing, although it's sweet (fresh) water, not salt. Can you imagine my surprise when, after all these years, I was told that I needed a NYS license $$$ to fish. In a sense, I beat the system. I pay next to nothing because of the senior citizen thing, and my daughter pays the pittance as one of my birthday presents
Oh, there's so much more to tell you. For those that are still reading, I want to thank you for tolerating me this far. What the hay, it's Saturday, a typically slow day.
O J
I'm learning to fish, learning to catch will come later!
It all started with a Birthday gift. My wife says she heard me say that I would like to learn to fish. I don't remember that, but I could have and must have.
For my Birthday she gave me a fishing book about fishing our local waters. Actually the local waters start about 10 miles south of here and continue south, but still they're kind of local.
But that's not all. She some how found me a ride on a private 50 foot motor yacht owned by a local angler who gave me a private fishing lesson. Some wife eh?
We were out for about 6 hours and I was the only one of three who caught a fish, a small rock cod. Bob said, "This lesson is about fishing, the next will be about catching.
So now I'm starting to put together my tackle and I find the first obstacle to over come is vocabulary. As I read my book and read local fishing reports I find unknown words like leadhead or twin tail Mojo! Hmmmmm, I don't seem to find these items at Boaters World.
We have had no wind here lately so ZackLee and I have been out fishing 3 times. I haven't caught anything yet, unless I count the small crab that was hanging on to my squid when I pulled up to check bait.
So I'm happily fishing. Catching should come later.
Gary
For my Birthday she gave me a fishing book about fishing our local waters. Actually the local waters start about 10 miles south of here and continue south, but still they're kind of local.
But that's not all. She some how found me a ride on a private 50 foot motor yacht owned by a local angler who gave me a private fishing lesson. Some wife eh?
We were out for about 6 hours and I was the only one of three who caught a fish, a small rock cod. Bob said, "This lesson is about fishing, the next will be about catching.
So now I'm starting to put together my tackle and I find the first obstacle to over come is vocabulary. As I read my book and read local fishing reports I find unknown words like leadhead or twin tail Mojo! Hmmmmm, I don't seem to find these items at Boaters World.
We have had no wind here lately so ZackLee and I have been out fishing 3 times. I haven't caught anything yet, unless I count the small crab that was hanging on to my squid when I pulled up to check bait.
So I'm happily fishing. Catching should come later.
Gary