I need to buy another anchor for my CD 30 and would like to know what
what anchors other CD30 owners are using and happy with. For instance,
will a 25lb plow type do the job, or should I go with the 35lb.? What about the Delta types? I have a 22 Danforth that came with the boat,
and I sail (for now!) in the Long Island Sound area. The 22Danforth
works well, but am looking to buy a backup, or primary.
Thanks for all advice!
Larry Austin
CD 30 MKll
Layla
laustin@us.ibm.com
CD 30 Anchor "Survey"
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Richard Feffer
Re: CD 30 Anchor "Survey"
Larry,
I now have the same boat in Stamford. Left the Lower Chesapeake late in June. Arriving Stamford July 4th weekend. (Been too busy to get together with you up until now!!! Family Reunion, funeral, etc.)
"Adamarie" has two anchors on the bow. A 25lb. CQR and a Bruce. Not sure of the weight of the Bruce, but it is comparable in weight to the CQR. From my past experience with my previous boat, my feeling is that these are the right anchors for this boat! The Bruce is the primary anchor on Adamarie. I have had excellent results with it in some heavy winds on my trip up from Virginia. The boat didn't budge in 30 knots in a soupy bottom.
My recommendation would be 25 feet of 5/16 chain and at least 200 feet of 3/4 inch nylon. Either of these two anchors should be ample for your boat in almost any situation. If the weather kicks up a bit and you want to sleep with both eyes closed, you can always put a second anchor down. I think a 35lb. anchor is a little overkill for your boat in most conditions. That weight along with the weight of the chain would be a real backbreaker.
Hope this has been of some help. Maybe we can get together before the winter lay-up.
Regards,
Dick
RichFef@Prodigy.net
I now have the same boat in Stamford. Left the Lower Chesapeake late in June. Arriving Stamford July 4th weekend. (Been too busy to get together with you up until now!!! Family Reunion, funeral, etc.)
"Adamarie" has two anchors on the bow. A 25lb. CQR and a Bruce. Not sure of the weight of the Bruce, but it is comparable in weight to the CQR. From my past experience with my previous boat, my feeling is that these are the right anchors for this boat! The Bruce is the primary anchor on Adamarie. I have had excellent results with it in some heavy winds on my trip up from Virginia. The boat didn't budge in 30 knots in a soupy bottom.
My recommendation would be 25 feet of 5/16 chain and at least 200 feet of 3/4 inch nylon. Either of these two anchors should be ample for your boat in almost any situation. If the weather kicks up a bit and you want to sleep with both eyes closed, you can always put a second anchor down. I think a 35lb. anchor is a little overkill for your boat in most conditions. That weight along with the weight of the chain would be a real backbreaker.
Hope this has been of some help. Maybe we can get together before the winter lay-up.
Regards,
Dick
RichFef@Prodigy.net
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Barry
Re: CD 30 Anchor "Survey"
Larry,
When I bought my CD33 she carried a 25#CQR. The anchor was too small to start with, but I never had consistent luck setting it. A dealer confessed that the 25#CQR was too light to set properly and recommended a 35# regardless of boat size. I eventually bought a 33# Bruce.
When I bought my CD33 she carried a 25#CQR. The anchor was too small to start with, but I never had consistent luck setting it. A dealer confessed that the 25#CQR was too light to set properly and recommended a 35# regardless of boat size. I eventually bought a 33# Bruce.
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Neil Gordon
Re: CD 30 Anchor "Survey"
>>A dealer confessed that the 25#CQR was too light to set properly ...<<
I have a 15# CQR that I use as an occasional lunch hook (light air and I'm not leaving the boat). It sets fine in the local (Boston Harbor) soft mud. I've heard that 15# in particular is too light to set in anything harder and would probably agree.
In any case, you'll sleep better with a larger anchor... so go for the 35#. <G>
Btw, I had a heck of a time getting my Danforth 22S off the bottom yesterday. <g>
Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167
neil@nrgordon.com
I have a 15# CQR that I use as an occasional lunch hook (light air and I'm not leaving the boat). It sets fine in the local (Boston Harbor) soft mud. I've heard that 15# in particular is too light to set in anything harder and would probably agree.
In any case, you'll sleep better with a larger anchor... so go for the 35#. <G>
Btw, I had a heck of a time getting my Danforth 22S off the bottom yesterday. <g>
Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167
neil@nrgordon.com
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M. R. Bober
Re: CD 30 Anchor "Survey"
Our CD330 also had a CQR 25# when we bought her. Too little. Could not properly set hook. Upgraded to CQR 35# with 30' of chain. Problem solved. Also carry three Danforths (4# lunch hook "light lunch", 22# on the boat at purchase & T II 3000 for storms in the Chesapeake). Used a Danforth 22H for years on the CD27; it held a seven boat raft overnight in 18-20 knots (we were the smallest boat in the raft).
If you have the strength (or mechanical assistance) you really ought to go for the bigger of "suggested sizes".
Hope this helps.
Mitchell Bober
RESPITE
CD330
thebobers@erols.com
If you have the strength (or mechanical assistance) you really ought to go for the bigger of "suggested sizes".
Hope this helps.
Mitchell Bober
RESPITE
CD330
thebobers@erols.com
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HD Harris
Re: CD 30 Anchor "Survey"
Read your anchor message.
I have a CD 28 and have sailed it alot in and along Gulf Coast from Galveston, Tx. thu Fla, Keys, and Intra coastal from Pt. Bolivar to St. Marks, Fla. and from St. Pete to Naples, Fla.
I like to sleep at night. And, I don't mind pulling chain in return for safety. I cruise alot for long time periods, month at a time at least, with a fully loaded boat - food, fuel, gear and water.
I've had good experience with a 25ILB Bruce with lots of high test chain on the bottom. I don't believe the conventional wisdom, 3 to 4 scope. My experience has been good with 6 to 7 scope of high test chain in 10-15ft water. Standard rig for me it 70-85 feet high test chain with 25LB Bruce in 10-15 feet water in light to moderately heavy conditionsr. Heavy weather, poor bottom and bad current, I use 25LB Bruce with 100 ft high test chain on front, and 22LB Bruce with 45 ft high test chain with 55 ft nylon rope on back, or Bahama rig it w/same rig thru bowsprit with heavy rope bridle thru bow chocks/hausers to take stress off bowsprit and forestay.
Chain weight as alot to do with good holding. But, Bruce w/lots of chain has weight, and digs in better with more scope and has less pull out stress on it, from my experience. My Bruce also resets or re-digs in on current/wind/tide shifts. My Bruce w/85 ft chain has kept me sane and in place in heavy weather around Marquesas, Fla. Keys in heavy wind, bizarre currents and bad rolling in northers in 13 ft water in loamy sand/silt bottom.
I don't use plow/CQR.
From my experiene, my Danforth ONLY works well in sticky/thick gumbo mud in Galveston Bay and along LA coast. But, it is still, from my experience, unreliable on tide/current/wind shifts. And, it stinks in light sand, sand-grass, soupy mud. I've even had it pull out on me in good mud on tide/wind/current shifts. It just doesn't reset well, in my experience, after pulling out. I don't trust it much. And I don't use it much, if at all anymore.
Delta - don't use.
Fisherman - I've had many old timers and shrimpers swear by it used with lots of chain. I don't know - BUT I'm going to get one shortly - 25 - 30 lb. I can't wait to try it. Some old guy down in Keys told me it would hold in anything. I guess I'll have to try it out.
My experience has been mostly in bottoms of mud, sand, sand w/grass, soupy mud, sand w/coral underlay and sand/loam/silt. I have not dealt with rock bottoms like you probably have to deal with up north/northeast.
Take care and good luck.
HDH
hdharris@juno.com
I have a CD 28 and have sailed it alot in and along Gulf Coast from Galveston, Tx. thu Fla, Keys, and Intra coastal from Pt. Bolivar to St. Marks, Fla. and from St. Pete to Naples, Fla.
I like to sleep at night. And, I don't mind pulling chain in return for safety. I cruise alot for long time periods, month at a time at least, with a fully loaded boat - food, fuel, gear and water.
I've had good experience with a 25ILB Bruce with lots of high test chain on the bottom. I don't believe the conventional wisdom, 3 to 4 scope. My experience has been good with 6 to 7 scope of high test chain in 10-15ft water. Standard rig for me it 70-85 feet high test chain with 25LB Bruce in 10-15 feet water in light to moderately heavy conditionsr. Heavy weather, poor bottom and bad current, I use 25LB Bruce with 100 ft high test chain on front, and 22LB Bruce with 45 ft high test chain with 55 ft nylon rope on back, or Bahama rig it w/same rig thru bowsprit with heavy rope bridle thru bow chocks/hausers to take stress off bowsprit and forestay.
Chain weight as alot to do with good holding. But, Bruce w/lots of chain has weight, and digs in better with more scope and has less pull out stress on it, from my experience. My Bruce also resets or re-digs in on current/wind/tide shifts. My Bruce w/85 ft chain has kept me sane and in place in heavy weather around Marquesas, Fla. Keys in heavy wind, bizarre currents and bad rolling in northers in 13 ft water in loamy sand/silt bottom.
I don't use plow/CQR.
From my experiene, my Danforth ONLY works well in sticky/thick gumbo mud in Galveston Bay and along LA coast. But, it is still, from my experience, unreliable on tide/current/wind shifts. And, it stinks in light sand, sand-grass, soupy mud. I've even had it pull out on me in good mud on tide/wind/current shifts. It just doesn't reset well, in my experience, after pulling out. I don't trust it much. And I don't use it much, if at all anymore.
Delta - don't use.
Fisherman - I've had many old timers and shrimpers swear by it used with lots of chain. I don't know - BUT I'm going to get one shortly - 25 - 30 lb. I can't wait to try it. Some old guy down in Keys told me it would hold in anything. I guess I'll have to try it out.
My experience has been mostly in bottoms of mud, sand, sand w/grass, soupy mud, sand w/coral underlay and sand/loam/silt. I have not dealt with rock bottoms like you probably have to deal with up north/northeast.
Take care and good luck.
HDH
hdharris@juno.com
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Stuart Harrison
Re: CD 30 Anchor "Survey"
Larry,
You might get West Marine's lastest main equipment catalogue. It has general info write ups on alot of boating subjects throughout, one write up on anchors, anchor types and rodes. I believe the catalogue is $5 or $6. But, well worth it. I was surprised by the info in these write ups. Boat US has same thing, but not as good in some of its catalogues.
Also, check out reasonably priced handcrank windlasses -$400-$600 range. A CD 30 can get pretty heavy pulling up anchor, rope and chain, especially with guests, fuel, water-ice on board, high wind and current. I use alot of chain as my anchor rode, so - I couldn't survive without my windlass mounted upfront on bow. It's a real back saver.
If you are a weekender, then you might be okay with heavy nylon rope 5/8" - 3/4", 35-40 ft chain - 5/16" and heavy bruce 30lb anchor. Watch your scope given bottom depth - see West Marine write up.
Sincerely,
Stuart Harrison
hdhlaw@hotmail.com
You might get West Marine's lastest main equipment catalogue. It has general info write ups on alot of boating subjects throughout, one write up on anchors, anchor types and rodes. I believe the catalogue is $5 or $6. But, well worth it. I was surprised by the info in these write ups. Boat US has same thing, but not as good in some of its catalogues.
Also, check out reasonably priced handcrank windlasses -$400-$600 range. A CD 30 can get pretty heavy pulling up anchor, rope and chain, especially with guests, fuel, water-ice on board, high wind and current. I use alot of chain as my anchor rode, so - I couldn't survive without my windlass mounted upfront on bow. It's a real back saver.
If you are a weekender, then you might be okay with heavy nylon rope 5/8" - 3/4", 35-40 ft chain - 5/16" and heavy bruce 30lb anchor. Watch your scope given bottom depth - see West Marine write up.
Sincerely,
Stuart Harrison
hdhlaw@hotmail.com
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Jay
Re: CD 30 Anchor "Survey"
As a primary anchor system....I don't think you could beat a 25 lb CQR with 30+ feet of chain and GOOD quality three strand anchor rode. On our CD-30, we sleep VERY well at night and have anchored in many places that the tide is swift and changes 180 degrees twice-a-day.
Use the Danforth in sand or as your secondary.
Cheers, Jay
CD-30 #344
Per Diem
jankers@pii-cgmp.com
Use the Danforth in sand or as your secondary.
Cheers, Jay
CD-30 #344
Per Diem
jankers@pii-cgmp.com
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Olli Wendelin
Re: CD 30 Anchor "Survey"
Larry,
In Charleston we have swift currents and sand or mud bottom. For my CD30, as a primary anchor I use a 35# CQR plow, 30 ft of chain, and 300 ft of 5/8 in nylon line. Works great and lets me sleep soundly. A winch is on my wish list. For a secondary I use a danforth (22# ?) with 30 ft of chain and 200 ft on 1/2 in nylon. I also have a third danforth of similar size. No anchor style works best on all bottoms, its best to have several varieties.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
wendelin@spawar.navy.mil
In Charleston we have swift currents and sand or mud bottom. For my CD30, as a primary anchor I use a 35# CQR plow, 30 ft of chain, and 300 ft of 5/8 in nylon line. Works great and lets me sleep soundly. A winch is on my wish list. For a secondary I use a danforth (22# ?) with 30 ft of chain and 200 ft on 1/2 in nylon. I also have a third danforth of similar size. No anchor style works best on all bottoms, its best to have several varieties.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
wendelin@spawar.navy.mil
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Mike Everett
Re: CD 30 Anchor "Survey"
For what it's worth, this is exactly what we use on our CD28 and we're entirely happy with the system. I must confess that we've never even used the Danforth backup. The 25# CQR has never failed to hold. I think the 30 feet of heavy chain adds a lot of power.
Mike Everett
s/v Dr. Pepper
everett@megalink.net
Mike Everett
s/v Dr. Pepper
everett@megalink.net