The battery on my CD22 is behind the cockpit drains. To remove the battery you have to remove the hoses for the cockpit drains.
My plan is to move the battery in front of the cockpit drains. My measurements show me this will also give me room for two batteries and still leave enough room for a cooler aft of the companionway steps.
It will take some small modifications to the area but I think it will be well worth it.
Any one out there tried this approach?
I'd appreciate your advice before I dive into it!
Gary
Moving the battery on a CD22
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Cap'n Mike
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Not understanding...
Gary:
I have a CD22 with the battery behind the cockpit drains, but I don't have to remove the drains. You must have one big a$$ battery!
Late last year, we replaced our battery with a group 27 lead-acid battery, which still fits but is snug.
I thought about putting a battery tray in the starboard cockpit locker because I am sometimes worried about having a charging battery in the cabin.
However, I did think about relocating the battery in front of the seacocks, but I decided I like the space.
One other thing: we removed our steps into the cockpit. Cindy and I are tall. We haven't missed them.
I have a CD22 with the battery behind the cockpit drains, but I don't have to remove the drains. You must have one big a$$ battery!
Late last year, we replaced our battery with a group 27 lead-acid battery, which still fits but is snug.
I thought about putting a battery tray in the starboard cockpit locker because I am sometimes worried about having a charging battery in the cabin.
However, I did think about relocating the battery in front of the seacocks, but I decided I like the space.
One other thing: we removed our steps into the cockpit. Cindy and I are tall. We haven't missed them.
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Should cockpit drain hoses be crossed?
Cap'n Mike,
Are your cockpit drain hoses crossed? Port drain goes to starboard thru hull?
Mine are and that's why I have to remove the hoses to get the battery out.
I swear I knew at one point why they are supposed to be crossed but at the moment, for the life of me, I can't remember why.
Gary
Are your cockpit drain hoses crossed? Port drain goes to starboard thru hull?
Mine are and that's why I have to remove the hoses to get the battery out.
I swear I knew at one point why they are supposed to be crossed but at the moment, for the life of me, I can't remember why.
Gary
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Adoryble's not crossed...
Gary:
Weird! Adoryble's seacock lines are NOT crossed.
In my original manual and the one on the Cape Dory web page, I see no reference of them needing to be crossed. I looked at Oldragbaggers blog (they have an interior picture of their Katrina victim CD22). Their seacock lines are NOT crossed either.
Not sure why yours are crossed.
Perhaps, someone will say that having them crossed reduces the chance of water coming up through them when heeled. I have had Adoryble to over 30-degrees heel in 3 - 4 chop. Water was coming over the toe-rail and NO water was coming up through the cockpit drains.
Weird! Adoryble's seacock lines are NOT crossed.
In my original manual and the one on the Cape Dory web page, I see no reference of them needing to be crossed. I looked at Oldragbaggers blog (they have an interior picture of their Katrina victim CD22). Their seacock lines are NOT crossed either.
Not sure why yours are crossed.
Perhaps, someone will say that having them crossed reduces the chance of water coming up through them when heeled. I have had Adoryble to over 30-degrees heel in 3 - 4 chop. Water was coming over the toe-rail and NO water was coming up through the cockpit drains.
<b>Fair Winds,
Cap'n Mike</b>
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Crossed cockpit drain hoses
Hey Cap'n Mike
I think you have the right idea. I've been thinking about it today and I think that is the reason. In therory, if you are healed enough to put one cockpit drain under the waterline, water would start to come in the cockpit unless it was crossed to the other through hull.
I think I'll take a new look and consider uncrossing the hoses. That means removing a 90 off each through hull, and that is something I'd rather leave for when I'm lying on the hard.
Thanks alot for your input. If you've had no problems at 30 degrees, that's good enough for me.
Again thanks.
Gary
I think you have the right idea. I've been thinking about it today and I think that is the reason. In therory, if you are healed enough to put one cockpit drain under the waterline, water would start to come in the cockpit unless it was crossed to the other through hull.
I think I'll take a new look and consider uncrossing the hoses. That means removing a 90 off each through hull, and that is something I'd rather leave for when I'm lying on the hard.
Thanks alot for your input. If you've had no problems at 30 degrees, that's good enough for me.
Again thanks.
Gary
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No water...
No water into the cockpit from the drains....never.
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Re: Adoryble's not crossed...
Mike, Gary
Let's not be too quick to jump to final conclusions. Some people do cross their drain lines, some don't, for whatever reason they feel comfortable with. When a CD 22 is heeled over at 30°, the toe rail will be just at the water line. The lee drain inlet will be well below the water line, so will the drain outlet.
[quote="Cap'n Mike"]Gary:
Weird! Adoryble's seacock lines are NOT crossed.
Not sure why yours are crossed.
"Perhaps, someone will say that having them crossed reduces the chance of water coming up through them when heeled. I have had Adoryble to over 30-degrees heel in 3 - 4 chop. Water was coming over the toe-rail and NO water was coming up through the cockpit drains".[/quote
Mike, are your drains open? Does water drain out of the cockpit? You say that your lines aren't crossed. When heeling at 30°, why aren't you taking on water.
Some people prefer to use monoflo valves in line with their drains. Some people use check valves. Others use nothing except a deck plug. It's a personal choice. Others will say that check valves will get hung open with debris. All drain lines get clogged at one time or another. If a check valve gets stuck in the open position, it's not that big a deal, it's like a drain line with no check valve.
Myself, I like using plugs when sailing white knuckle. Just don't forget to pull them out before leaving the boat at the slip. This subject comes up every now and then. There is plenty to read in the archives, pro and con.
If it was my boat, I'd investigate why my drain wasn't functioning in reverse. Maybe everything is kosher, maybe not, maybe there is something that you didn't mention to the board.
Have a good weekend.
O J
Let's not be too quick to jump to final conclusions. Some people do cross their drain lines, some don't, for whatever reason they feel comfortable with. When a CD 22 is heeled over at 30°, the toe rail will be just at the water line. The lee drain inlet will be well below the water line, so will the drain outlet.
[quote="Cap'n Mike"]Gary:
Weird! Adoryble's seacock lines are NOT crossed.
Not sure why yours are crossed.
"Perhaps, someone will say that having them crossed reduces the chance of water coming up through them when heeled. I have had Adoryble to over 30-degrees heel in 3 - 4 chop. Water was coming over the toe-rail and NO water was coming up through the cockpit drains".[/quote
Mike, are your drains open? Does water drain out of the cockpit? You say that your lines aren't crossed. When heeling at 30°, why aren't you taking on water.
Some people prefer to use monoflo valves in line with their drains. Some people use check valves. Others use nothing except a deck plug. It's a personal choice. Others will say that check valves will get hung open with debris. All drain lines get clogged at one time or another. If a check valve gets stuck in the open position, it's not that big a deal, it's like a drain line with no check valve.
Myself, I like using plugs when sailing white knuckle. Just don't forget to pull them out before leaving the boat at the slip. This subject comes up every now and then. There is plenty to read in the archives, pro and con.
If it was my boat, I'd investigate why my drain wasn't functioning in reverse. Maybe everything is kosher, maybe not, maybe there is something that you didn't mention to the board.
Have a good weekend.
O J
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gurgling...
Adoryble's cockpit drains gurgle when the seas pick up and we are blown over at 30-degrees. However, we are moving along at a pretty good clip. Perhaps, that has something to do with it.
We have never had a problem with our uncrossed lines. High heel angles, high chop, emptying coolers, taking cockpit showers. No problems.
Can't explain it. She was that way when we bought her. She just works, so I am not going to mess with her because, knowing me, I would screw her up.
We have never had a problem with our uncrossed lines. High heel angles, high chop, emptying coolers, taking cockpit showers. No problems.
Can't explain it. She was that way when we bought her. She just works, so I am not going to mess with her because, knowing me, I would screw her up.
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Drain Hoses
I bought my CD22 from the original owner. Here drain hoses were not crossed and that is the way hey came orginally. I have never had any problems yet, and the previous owner never had any issues with them that way either.
Ed
Thanks to all, it's time for plan "B."
After some consideration, I think I'll redo my drain hoses to uncross them.
If the cock pit drain and the through hull are both under water at 30 degrees of heel, wouldn't the same be true of the other through hull?
Anyway, my sailing territory will probably never offer me 30 degrees of heel for more then just a moment.
I have 90 degree elbows screwed on to the top of my through hull valves. If they are in anyway difficult to get off, I'll just wait for 18 months until my next hull out and remove the elbows in the yard.
In the mean time I think I'd like to beef up the battery hold downs at the original battery placement and look around for a suitable maintenance free battery.
It may be good peace of mind to know that the battery can't leak if it falls over for some reason, and I won't have to drag the battery out for maintenance every couple of months.
I'm not sure if there are any maintenance free deep cycle batteries, and I'm not sure if I want a gel cell battery.
It's all been said before but I'll say it again. I really appreciate all of those who contribute to this site. There is such a wealth of knowledge here. Thanks again to all.
Gary
If the cock pit drain and the through hull are both under water at 30 degrees of heel, wouldn't the same be true of the other through hull?
Anyway, my sailing territory will probably never offer me 30 degrees of heel for more then just a moment.
I have 90 degree elbows screwed on to the top of my through hull valves. If they are in anyway difficult to get off, I'll just wait for 18 months until my next hull out and remove the elbows in the yard.
In the mean time I think I'd like to beef up the battery hold downs at the original battery placement and look around for a suitable maintenance free battery.
It may be good peace of mind to know that the battery can't leak if it falls over for some reason, and I won't have to drag the battery out for maintenance every couple of months.
I'm not sure if there are any maintenance free deep cycle batteries, and I'm not sure if I want a gel cell battery.
It's all been said before but I'll say it again. I really appreciate all of those who contribute to this site. There is such a wealth of knowledge here. Thanks again to all.
Gary