Results of sea trial for Cape Dory 25 and Navik windvane...
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Results of sea trial for Cape Dory 25 and Navik windvane...
Results of sea trial for Cape Dory 25 and Navik windvane...
Near the end of may I took the CD-25 "Spring Gail" out on a short sea trial in the Gulf of Mexico. Weather window was favorable. The purpose was to check out the installation of a Navik windvane as well as other systems newly installed or repaired. I decided to do this solo as it would be only a 3 or 4 day run, out 40 to 50, down a hundred or so and back into Galveston Bay.
Although the weather was good the winds were predictably on 'on the nose' all the way out and down the coast, mostly 10-15 knts with a few hours offshore at 20, all in all perfect conditions with seas running 3-5ft and occassionally a 2ft wind wave atop those. Progress was ~3knts over the bottom with 4.5 on the water on each tack. Very good for a 25' boat with only about 21' waterline at 15 degrees heel. Sails were full main and 100% jib the entire trip.
The eboat exceeded exceeded expectations in the open water. The Navik was very solid in holding a line. Two main issues that require correctoin(as far as I am concerned) did appear with the Navik. The most serious was a tendency for the trim-tab on the oar to jump its pin/roller where it exited from the main tube just above the oar. The problem occured whenever an extreme condition(a condition out of the norm for that setting) occured and the oar would swing to its maximum during the course correction; this would exceed the tolerance and the pin/roller would jump out of the 'hoop'. When this occured the oar would then remain in the far outside position and since it was a fair percentage in size to the main rudder caused difficulty when trying to bring the boat back under control manually. A fairly simple fix was devised but would require doing it after removing the vane and having access to proper tools(an extended pin with aa cotter and washer at the botom which exceeds the width of the 'hoop'.
The second problem, not nearly so vexing, was the difficulty in turning the correction knob on the vane itself. It is plastic, small, knurled and is quite snug. Access could be had only by getting onto the motor well hatch cover and hanging on with one hand while turning the knob with the other, all while avoiding the backstay and the windvane control lines...the added problem of wet fingers made grasping a chore at best. A couple of possibilities for correct came ot mind, but again not ones that were easily attained at sea.
Other problems, all minor that appeared were the expected 'springing' of a couple of the seals on the portlights, the hard sloshing in the forward water tank caused by the beating into the wind caused it to spring leaks on its too large cover. And the side of the navigation table next to the icebox at the companionway was easily removed when grabbed during an unexpectedly large lurch of the boat.
A rather nasty case of diarhea cropped up on the second day, probably from some very questionable 'junk' food I snuck onboard.
By the end of the second day out I decided that the list was sufficient and the weather window was probably going to close in two or three days and the decision was made to return to port. Doing so put me on a broad reach, almost a training run and the boat registered a consistent 6.1 knts all the way back with a faster spurts near the end when the swells had increased. On of the most pleasant sailing experiences in years. Although the Navik did not hold as tight a course downwind it never exceeded more thna 20 or so degrees yawing except when when heeled by a compound wave made up of the main and its reflection, that is just conjecture though. Point being that it was entirely acceptable performance.
The one problem with returning when I did was that the arrival would put me into the Galveston jetties around 3AM or so. Sleeping had been done in one and two hour blocks, one hour when near the oil rigs and buoys and two hours when out beyond shipping and junk. It proved adequate and no exhaustion nor even excessive tiredness was noted. But when the turn was made the course was set to a direct line to the entrance, partially dictated by the direction of the winds, and that set me in quite close inshore 10-12 miles as I neared the jetties; which inturn meant little time for rest.
At about 5 or so miles out from the channel I took manual control of the tiller and decided to cut in about a 1/2 mile or so out from the end of the jetty between buoys 5a and 5 instead of my usual more conservative approach between 3 and 5 buoys. Just as I was about to make the last approach correction and while just a 1/2 mile or so off one of the tiller lines of the windvane came unloose and allowed the oar to swing violently to one side, jumping the cursed pin and causing difficulty in contolling the rudder. (note when disengaged I found it necessary to tie off the tiller lines to cleats such that the windvane oar remained verticle and centered when not in use).
With winds around 15kts and a good following swell I decided to reduce power, I dropped the jib, but the halyard hung up tight about halfway down. So I released the main and more or less hove-to and went slowly forward, after about 10-15minutes of cursing and tugging I finally secured the jib sufficiently and went back to deal with the windvane. The windvane ate up 5 minutes or so, but I finally got back on the tiller, sheeted in the main and within 45 seconds found myself literally smashing onto the nearly submerges granite blocks of the Galveston Bay South jetty, about 1000 ft from the very end. The wind and swell had carried me the half mile during my 'fix the problem' efforts.
Three hours later I was lifted(with some interesting effort) into a USCG helicopter via an enlarged french-fry basket. The view of ones boat from a hundred feet or so above while illuminated by a large search-light would probably considered a rather unique experience, one to be savored...except when the boat is on its side and being smashed on granite rocks by a rising tide. The boat was lost.
Epiloque: The cause of the disaster was the almost to trite to mention usual one of fatique brought on by a bad decision which caused one further bad decision. There was no earthly reason that I could not have simply turned out to sea, rested and came in later the next day on an incoming tide. But the lure of making an anchorage just 4 miles or so further on over-rode good sense and the piper was paid in full. No allowance was made for contigencies which are sure to occur at night on approaching a harbor, obstinance coupled with some fatigue worked hand in glove.
The second possibility for the cause (and I am sure as time goes on that this will become the favored one) is that on the second day out I took the liberty of running about on the boat clad only in shorts, something not to be envisioned consciously. I figure Neptune took a gander, concluded that one of his minions was in trouble, i.e. a very rare hairless albino walrus had become entrapped in a plastic container and needed freeing. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it!
No there was no insurance, so it will be awhile before I am afloat once again, but float I will.
Didereaux
Near the end of may I took the CD-25 "Spring Gail" out on a short sea trial in the Gulf of Mexico. Weather window was favorable. The purpose was to check out the installation of a Navik windvane as well as other systems newly installed or repaired. I decided to do this solo as it would be only a 3 or 4 day run, out 40 to 50, down a hundred or so and back into Galveston Bay.
Although the weather was good the winds were predictably on 'on the nose' all the way out and down the coast, mostly 10-15 knts with a few hours offshore at 20, all in all perfect conditions with seas running 3-5ft and occassionally a 2ft wind wave atop those. Progress was ~3knts over the bottom with 4.5 on the water on each tack. Very good for a 25' boat with only about 21' waterline at 15 degrees heel. Sails were full main and 100% jib the entire trip.
The eboat exceeded exceeded expectations in the open water. The Navik was very solid in holding a line. Two main issues that require correctoin(as far as I am concerned) did appear with the Navik. The most serious was a tendency for the trim-tab on the oar to jump its pin/roller where it exited from the main tube just above the oar. The problem occured whenever an extreme condition(a condition out of the norm for that setting) occured and the oar would swing to its maximum during the course correction; this would exceed the tolerance and the pin/roller would jump out of the 'hoop'. When this occured the oar would then remain in the far outside position and since it was a fair percentage in size to the main rudder caused difficulty when trying to bring the boat back under control manually. A fairly simple fix was devised but would require doing it after removing the vane and having access to proper tools(an extended pin with aa cotter and washer at the botom which exceeds the width of the 'hoop'.
The second problem, not nearly so vexing, was the difficulty in turning the correction knob on the vane itself. It is plastic, small, knurled and is quite snug. Access could be had only by getting onto the motor well hatch cover and hanging on with one hand while turning the knob with the other, all while avoiding the backstay and the windvane control lines...the added problem of wet fingers made grasping a chore at best. A couple of possibilities for correct came ot mind, but again not ones that were easily attained at sea.
Other problems, all minor that appeared were the expected 'springing' of a couple of the seals on the portlights, the hard sloshing in the forward water tank caused by the beating into the wind caused it to spring leaks on its too large cover. And the side of the navigation table next to the icebox at the companionway was easily removed when grabbed during an unexpectedly large lurch of the boat.
A rather nasty case of diarhea cropped up on the second day, probably from some very questionable 'junk' food I snuck onboard.
By the end of the second day out I decided that the list was sufficient and the weather window was probably going to close in two or three days and the decision was made to return to port. Doing so put me on a broad reach, almost a training run and the boat registered a consistent 6.1 knts all the way back with a faster spurts near the end when the swells had increased. On of the most pleasant sailing experiences in years. Although the Navik did not hold as tight a course downwind it never exceeded more thna 20 or so degrees yawing except when when heeled by a compound wave made up of the main and its reflection, that is just conjecture though. Point being that it was entirely acceptable performance.
The one problem with returning when I did was that the arrival would put me into the Galveston jetties around 3AM or so. Sleeping had been done in one and two hour blocks, one hour when near the oil rigs and buoys and two hours when out beyond shipping and junk. It proved adequate and no exhaustion nor even excessive tiredness was noted. But when the turn was made the course was set to a direct line to the entrance, partially dictated by the direction of the winds, and that set me in quite close inshore 10-12 miles as I neared the jetties; which inturn meant little time for rest.
At about 5 or so miles out from the channel I took manual control of the tiller and decided to cut in about a 1/2 mile or so out from the end of the jetty between buoys 5a and 5 instead of my usual more conservative approach between 3 and 5 buoys. Just as I was about to make the last approach correction and while just a 1/2 mile or so off one of the tiller lines of the windvane came unloose and allowed the oar to swing violently to one side, jumping the cursed pin and causing difficulty in contolling the rudder. (note when disengaged I found it necessary to tie off the tiller lines to cleats such that the windvane oar remained verticle and centered when not in use).
With winds around 15kts and a good following swell I decided to reduce power, I dropped the jib, but the halyard hung up tight about halfway down. So I released the main and more or less hove-to and went slowly forward, after about 10-15minutes of cursing and tugging I finally secured the jib sufficiently and went back to deal with the windvane. The windvane ate up 5 minutes or so, but I finally got back on the tiller, sheeted in the main and within 45 seconds found myself literally smashing onto the nearly submerges granite blocks of the Galveston Bay South jetty, about 1000 ft from the very end. The wind and swell had carried me the half mile during my 'fix the problem' efforts.
Three hours later I was lifted(with some interesting effort) into a USCG helicopter via an enlarged french-fry basket. The view of ones boat from a hundred feet or so above while illuminated by a large search-light would probably considered a rather unique experience, one to be savored...except when the boat is on its side and being smashed on granite rocks by a rising tide. The boat was lost.
Epiloque: The cause of the disaster was the almost to trite to mention usual one of fatique brought on by a bad decision which caused one further bad decision. There was no earthly reason that I could not have simply turned out to sea, rested and came in later the next day on an incoming tide. But the lure of making an anchorage just 4 miles or so further on over-rode good sense and the piper was paid in full. No allowance was made for contigencies which are sure to occur at night on approaching a harbor, obstinance coupled with some fatigue worked hand in glove.
The second possibility for the cause (and I am sure as time goes on that this will become the favored one) is that on the second day out I took the liberty of running about on the boat clad only in shorts, something not to be envisioned consciously. I figure Neptune took a gander, concluded that one of his minions was in trouble, i.e. a very rare hairless albino walrus had become entrapped in a plastic container and needed freeing. That's my theory and I'm sticking to it!
No there was no insurance, so it will be awhile before I am afloat once again, but float I will.
Didereaux
Didereaux- San Leon, TX
last owner of CD-25 #183 "Spring Gail"
"I do not attempt to make leopards change their spots...after I have skinned them, they are free to grow 'em back or not, as they see fit!" Didereaux 2007
last owner of CD-25 #183 "Spring Gail"
"I do not attempt to make leopards change their spots...after I have skinned them, they are free to grow 'em back or not, as they see fit!" Didereaux 2007
Spring Gail
Sorry for your loss. I am sure you will be with another boat before to long. Your sense of humor is still intact.I always enjoy your posts and look forward to more to come. pete
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Sorry To hear Of Your Trouble
Hi Didereaux,
That was terrible what happened to your boat. I feel some of the pain that you must be having at this time.
At least you made it through the ordeal.
Again, sorry about your problem.
O J
That was terrible what happened to your boat. I feel some of the pain that you must be having at this time.
At least you made it through the ordeal.
Again, sorry about your problem.
O J
Thanks for posting
Sad ending, good luck in your search. Something for us all to be careful about. Usa Auctions has what appears to be an 81, they have it listed as a 24 instead of a 25. The hull # is off a late model 25 and as such would have the teak floors and later bronze ports. If it was just dumped on the beach may be a good buy and not too far for you. CPDE0795M81F http://usauctions.com/ItemDetails.aspx?ID=6435
Jeff Funston
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Oh Didereaux, I am so sorry to hear of the loss of your boat. Your post was the most shocking I have ever read on the internet. Many things we expect to hear and are therefore prepared for no matter how gruesome they may be. This shock may be why many people have viewed your post with no comment. It is much harder to respond to than a picture of a pretty boat, new to an owner. Please forgive me if this is a bit clumsy. What you posted was the death of something very dear to you that you may have been used, if it had not been the source of your need for solace. It sounds like your last sail on Spring Gail was the essence of all that sailing is to us. There is hard beating to weather, there are leaks, bad food, poor sleep and little problems. There is also the glory and the joy of being the master of our craft out on the sea alone. Sailing a fine boat into the less troubled and populated areas of our world is a great privilege. The reach home must have been magical. There is no way I could understand how you must be feeling and in fact it may be some time before you sort it all out yourself. I do know I have been just one small problem short of disaster and the loss of my boat on more than one occasion. If you had stayed home and watched TV you could go down to your boat this weekend and she would be there but you would not have had your time offshore with her. To truly live we must take some chances with fate. I firmly believe that every thing happens for a reason and that all the bad is balanced out by at least some good coming from it. This is a terrible loss, so I am hoping for some great good to come to you. You made no mention of yourself and how you faired the ordeal. I hope you are physically well. I am sorry to be so far away as CT in that you would be welcome to sail with me anytime you wanted. I think you are probably right about the captive, bleached, walrus thing. The gods work in mysterious ways sometimes, Steve.
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Adventure!
Condolences in your loss, but you now have one Heck of a story to share around a campfire, or next time you're rafted up and looking for conversation topics. I'd start it, "Have you heard the story about the guy who..."
Hoping that it is a once in a lifetime adventure, and we're all greatful that you were not injured, or worse, lost with your valiant vessel..
Dan
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Hoping that it is a once in a lifetime adventure, and we're all greatful that you were not injured, or worse, lost with your valiant vessel..
Dan
Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.
If not by the grace of god there go I.
Hi Didereaux:
I am deeply saddened by your loss. As you point out its not one issue that leads to disaster but several compounded on top of each other, one being a tired sailor. I look forward to the post when you tell us you are floating again.
Boyd
s/v Tern
CD 30 MkII
Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
I am deeply saddened by your loss. As you point out its not one issue that leads to disaster but several compounded on top of each other, one being a tired sailor. I look forward to the post when you tell us you are floating again.
Boyd
s/v Tern
CD 30 MkII
Fort Lauderdale, Fla.
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so sorry...
So sorry to hear this, thank you for posting so we can all learn.
I hope you are doing okay.
I hope you are doing okay.
Melissa Abato
www.sailmahalo.com
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A reality check for all of us.
Didereaux,
When I saw your post, I eagerly started reading. Then dumb silence. That's what I felt when I read how your sea trial ended. I have enjoyed your posts immensely and have learned much from what you have shared with us. This is a reality check for all of us. We all know in the back of our minds that this can happen. But we go anyway, because that's the way it's always been. I'm so glad to hear you are well, despite your ordeal.
Carl
When I saw your post, I eagerly started reading. Then dumb silence. That's what I felt when I read how your sea trial ended. I have enjoyed your posts immensely and have learned much from what you have shared with us. This is a reality check for all of us. We all know in the back of our minds that this can happen. But we go anyway, because that's the way it's always been. I'm so glad to hear you are well, despite your ordeal.
Carl
CDSOA Commodore - Member No. 725
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Sir Isaac Newton
"The more I expand the island of my knowledge, the more I expand the shoreline of my wonder"
Sir Isaac Newton
glad you're all right
I'm so sorry to hear of the lose of your CD. I am however glad to hear that you escaped intack.
Randy 25D Seraph #161
Condolances
Condolances on the loss of your boat.
And Here's to your next vessel! I hope you'll be back out there soon enough.
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Hi Didereaux:
I also am deeply saddened by your loss.
As others have pointed out, I looked forward to you posts, both adventurous and technical aspects.
I also started reading to 'learn', becoming very sad at the end.
It sounds like you have made a very accurate assessment - to be commended, for both the assessment and for our (The CD Board) education. I'm heading to Halifax in ~2 weeks - for me this is very timely - thank you. FYI; I may have a potential billet open. If your so inclined, send my a PM.
When interested in a 'new' CD post that fact - I'm sure you will have a few hundred CD'ers actively beating the bushes for you![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
I also am deeply saddened by your loss.
As others have pointed out, I looked forward to you posts, both adventurous and technical aspects.
I also started reading to 'learn', becoming very sad at the end.
It sounds like you have made a very accurate assessment - to be commended, for both the assessment and for our (The CD Board) education. I'm heading to Halifax in ~2 weeks - for me this is very timely - thank you. FYI; I may have a potential billet open. If your so inclined, send my a PM.
When interested in a 'new' CD post that fact - I'm sure you will have a few hundred CD'ers actively beating the bushes for you
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Fair Winds,
Leo MacDonald
Founding Fleet Capt., NE Fleet
Past Commodore, Member No. 223
A 'Cape Dory Board' supporting member ~1999 to ~2015![Smile :-)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
Leo MacDonald
Founding Fleet Capt., NE Fleet
Past Commodore, Member No. 223
A 'Cape Dory Board' supporting member ~1999 to ~2015
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You're Safe!!
Hi Didereaux
I'm glad to hear that you were safely hoisted off s/v Spring Gail. I too have always enjoyed your posts!
You've driven home the most important message for all of us to take away, things can go bad quickly, especially when you're tired and a person's best judgement is fouled by lack of sleep. Also, that this can immediately follow amazingly good sailing!
Peace and Fair Winds, Bill
I'm glad to hear that you were safely hoisted off s/v Spring Gail. I too have always enjoyed your posts!
You've driven home the most important message for all of us to take away, things can go bad quickly, especially when you're tired and a person's best judgement is fouled by lack of sleep. Also, that this can immediately follow amazingly good sailing!
Peace and Fair Winds, Bill
Bill Watson
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Didereaux, I am so very sorry. I can only imagine the grief and pain of such a loss. Thank you for sharing such a painful experience with the rest of us. Such a thing could so easily happen to any sailor. We all know the right answers, but when one is out there, alone, tired, eager for home and a bit befuddled by the demands of solo sailing, it is so easy to find disaster in a situation you would have easily handled any other time. I applaud your determination and your positive attitude. God bless.
David VanDenburgh (the elder)
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Very glad you're OK..
which is, after all, the important thing...the boat, however painful to lose, is replaceable.
As someone who has very much enjoyed and learned from your postings but never directly corresponded, you have my great respect and my most sincere condolences on your loss. That you can so clearly analyze and convey what went wrong, without excuses or complaints, tells much of your character.
I believe that you'll find another boat, sooner rather than later. Best wishes, and thanks for sharing your story.
Best regards, Bill
As someone who has very much enjoyed and learned from your postings but never directly corresponded, you have my great respect and my most sincere condolences on your loss. That you can so clearly analyze and convey what went wrong, without excuses or complaints, tells much of your character.
I believe that you'll find another boat, sooner rather than later. Best wishes, and thanks for sharing your story.
Best regards, Bill