What was Cape Dory Thinking?

Dick Barthel · Post by **Dick Barthel** » Jan 18th, '06, 20:11

Quote from Good Old Boat – September/October 2003 - Behind the Sabre

"Also," he continues, [Roger Hewson] "we had decided on a contemporary overall design concept that could be gradually updated each year to the latest market preference, rather than a more traditional design concept that would by necessity be locked into classic design features."

"Some manufactures did get locked into a specific, unalterable ‘look.’ Cape Dory Yachts of East Taunton, Massachusetts, is a case in point. Each Cape Dory design looked much like a larger version of an earlier one. Fans of the Cape Dory look were adamant that the company not change that look, making it tough to appeal to a broader market. 'Possibly our attention to the marketing need for constant change is why Sabre is thriving today, and Cape Dory is no longer in production," Roger [Hewson]

Unfortunately as regards the accuracy of my earlier post Roger was talking about the overall look of the boats (i.e., the reverse transom, etc.) and not the “underwater... confirguration” as was correctly pointed out by Stan. In fairness to me I was really trying to make the point (badly) that Cape Dory suffered in the 80’s by staying with the tradition while Sabre changed with the times and prospered.

All and all a hasty and most “unworthy post” if I may say so myself.

Dick

One thing only I know, and that is that I know nothing. Socrates

Clay Stalker · Post by **Clay Stalker** » Jan 18th, '06, 20:24

Dick:

In jest of course, but also seriously, I have never read a post from you that I did not thoroughly enjoy...!! So you just keep them coming!

Clay Stalker

Carter Brey · Post by **Carter Brey** » Jan 18th, '06, 21:43

Dick,

if you'e unworthy, then I'm beyond redemption.

Keep on posting!

CB

s calder · Post by **s calder** » Jan 18th, '06, 22:13

Could someone please post a pix of a Sabre, like perhaps Carter & his new boat, I for one would love to see it ( and a Sabre in general), having thourorghly enjoyed his pix of Mary Ellen?

s calder · Post by **s calder** » Jan 18th, '06, 22:17

My apologies for the unabashed turnabout of subject

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Singaporesam · Post by **Singaporesam** » Jan 19th, '06, 19:49

A lot of diesel engines have their maximum torque at much less than their maximum rpm. IMO I'd check the torque/rpm curve for the engine in question from the manufacturer and see where you attain the max. torque. Anything above that is a waste of fuel.
Thanks
Dana

Scott MacCready · Post by **Scott MacCready** » Jan 20th, '06, 21:22

Sorry it took so long to reply to the replies; My laptop died while away on my trip and I had to wait until I returned to work to access this board. thanks for all the input.

On Feather, the temperature guage only indicates red/green. It does not have actual numbers so I don't know the temperature it's running at. In addition to that guage, the control panel also has the tach, the ingition switch, 2 orange lights, and 2 little black knobs that I have no idea what their purpose is. If anyone knows what these and the 2 lights are for, I'd appreciate you sharing it with me.

On the thermostat I removed, and also on the replacement, it was marked 60 degress celcius. that's 140 degress F. the boat was orignally purchased and shipped to Puerto Rico. It has spent the last 15 years in south carolina.

Ron Turner · Post by **Ron Turner** » Jan 24th, '06, 09:21

Scott,

I am jumping in here a little late but I have been out of town.
We all jump on thermostats for overheating but I have not usually found them to be the culprit. Without a temp gauge for real numbers it is hard to fix the problem. I carry an IR temp sensor (you can get from Napa) to pinpoint temp problems.
SOME COMMON PLACES FOR PROBLEMS ARE:

impeller; has just enough vane left to move water at low rpm but not at higher.

heatexchanger; plugged from years of use and not being used.

fanbelt: slipping at higher rpm (usually a fine black dust around alternator.

temp sending unit and /or temp gauge: faulty or not matched
items.

Raw water filter: dirty, clogged ,sucking air

Hope these help.
You can also run the engine without a thermostat in temperate waters. If you get unburned fuel in exhaust put it back in.

Ron Turner · Post by **Ron Turner** » Jan 24th, '06, 09:31

Scott MacCready wrote: In addition to that guage, the control panel also has the tach, the ingition switch, 2 orange lights, and 2 little black knobs that I have no idea what their purpose is. quote]

Scott,

I have a wiring schematic for the Yanmar engine but don't know what you have.

The Yanmar panel has a red lights(3) for alternator not working, oil pressure low and engine temp high. It has 2 switchesfor testing the lights/buzzer and a night light.

Stan W. · Post by **Stan W.** » Jan 24th, '06, 11:41

Scott MacCready wrote:In addition to that guage, the control panel also has the tach, the ingition switch, 2 orange lights, and 2 little black knobs that I have no idea what their purpose is. If anyone knows what these and the 2 lights are for, I'd appreciate you sharing it with me.

The two amber lights are the alternator warning light and the oil pressure warning light. Without being on the boat, I can't remember which one is which. It is kind of dumb that they are both the same color. I recently replaced mine because they had corroded to dust. Volvo still stocks these which is a good thing because the alternator will not charge the batteries if the warning light is disconnected.

The black knobs actually are push/pull switches. On my CD 28, one of them was never connected to anything and I believe the other controls the instrument panel lights (again, hard to remember away from the boat).

Cathy Monaghan · Post by **Cathy Monaghan** » Jan 24th, '06, 13:54

s calder wrote:Could someone please post a pix of a Sabre, like perhaps Carter & his new boat, I for one would love to see it ( and a Sabre in general), having thourorghly enjoyed his pix of Mary Ellen?

Clicking on the image below (Sabre 426) will take you to Sabre's web site where you'll find more photos of their boats.

<a href="http://www.sabreyachts.com/index.php"><img width="540" src="http://www.sabreyachts.com/images/galle ... llsail.jpg">
Sabre Corporation</a>

Carter Brey · Post by **Carter Brey** » Jan 25th, '06, 16:37

I'm afraid my little 28 is only a dated ancestor of that fearsome oceangoing Ferrari.

However, I console myself with the thought that it is my boat, and not the superyacht, that is in the Sailboat Hall of Fame!

[img]http://pws.prserv.net/cbrey/sabreonstands.jpg[/img]

[img]http://pws.prserv.net/cbrey/cockpit.jpg[/img]

[img]http://pws.prserv.net/cbrey/port_bow.jpg[/img]

Clay Stalker · Post by **Clay Stalker** » Jan 25th, '06, 18:35

Carter:

She looks like a very well kept example of an excellent boat...I'm sure you will grow to love her, and will definately enjoy the way she sails. She is in the Hall of Fame for a very good reason! Too bad they stopped building those, I really think they would be big sellers today...but of course, way too expensive to build today....

Warren Kaplan · Post by **Warren Kaplan** » Jan 25th, '06, 19:01

Clay Stalker wrote:Carter:

She looks like a very well kept example of an excellent boat...

Clay,
She does look well kept, doesn't she. Her new cap'n, by his own pronouncement, can be characterized as somewhat obsessive. When he gets through putting her right, she's gonna' knock everyone's eyes out. I saw first hand what he did with Mary Ellen. This Sabre 28 must have been launched under a lucky star!!

Clay Stalker · Post by **Clay Stalker** » Jan 25th, '06, 20:52

Warren:

I just cannot wait to race Yankee Lady against her....unfortunately, my heart says it would be a good, close race, but my brain tells me that I would get smoked!!

Clay Stalker

The Cape Dory Board

What was Cape Dory Thinking?

erratum

Unworthy??

Hah!

Sabre pix

...not to change the subject...

Torque curve

OVERHEATING

Engine control panels

Re: Sabre pix

Reality

She's a Beauty!

Re: She's a Beauty!

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