Transom Mounted Outboard

Karl Eugene · Post by **Karl Eugene** » Dec 16th, '05, 11:45

I keep my Cape Dory 25 in Miami, FL. The outboard is in the well and suffers from barnacle build up. I want to mount the outboard on the transom with a mount that would let me lift the motor out of the water when not in use and when sailing. Is there a motor bracket made for Cape Dory's transom? Did any one do this? If so what works? Does the transom need to be reinforced? I really need help.
Thanks,....Karl in Miami

Doug Fallin · Post by **Doug Fallin** » Dec 16th, '05, 14:06

I wouldn't mount the outboard on the transom. It looks bad and the motor will rise out of the water in anything more than 2 foot seas. West Marine sells an engine hoist that is a strap that goes around the motor. You can use your topping lift or rig a pulley off the backstay to raise the motor out of the water, if it is too heavy to lift yourself. It will also cost less than reinforcing the transom and buying a bracket, and it will keep your boat looking beautiful, the way a CD is suppose to look. There are several posts in reference to this topic, just do a search.

Allan · Post by **Allan** » Dec 17th, '05, 08:07

I have recently moved up to a CD 25 (which needs alot of work) and I'm facing the same dilema. While I agree that the look of the stern is beautiful, practically speaking the engine well does not accommodate the newer outboards and I've also thought about putting a bracket on the stern. I've done a search of this topic and I know that the 6hp Nissan will fit in the well but it's not powerfull enough for where I keep the boat, i.e. a tidal river, leading to a bay and then to the ocean. The previous owner who was also a Cape Dory dealer agrees and his best suggestion at this point is to try to find a used Johnson Sailmaster in an 8hp or 9.9hp. I recently saw a CD 22 with an OMC hydraulic bracket mounted on the stern with a long shaft (25") outboard and controlls run back to the cockpit. You're right it wasn't very pretty, but it worked. Some updated discussion on this topic would be good.

Cap'n Mike · Post by **Cap'n Mike** » Dec 17th, '05, 08:41

I have a CD22 with the outboard on the transom. I like that I can raise the engine out of the water when "Adoryble" is at the slip. I have no controls coming from the engine, so controlling the engine coming in and out of a slip, dock, etc. is alittle ackward. However, it is a small price to pay to have a clear stern deck.

The only control modification that I really need to have is a shift lever extension. I doesn't need to run to the cockpit. It only needs to be longer/taller. It is the most ackward control since it is small and on the opposite side of the engine.

Yes, my transom mounted engine does ruin the her aft lines, but the engine was there when I bought her. Besides, the engine is a requirement, and the CD22 has no engine well.

One thing that I do like with my little Yamaha 4 hp mounted on the transom is that it frees the whole stern hatch to place a large fuel tank. My wife and I have a 6 gallon tank in the hatch for the outboard. I don't know how far we can motor on 6 gallons, but we go MONTHS! without refueling, and we sail every weekend! It is just peace of mind that I know I can motor home from anywhere in Galveston Bay.

Also, without water in the tank under the v-berth, our engine does NOT come out of the water until the waves become big. Once we took the water out, we noticed a remarkable difference as to when the engine would come out. Originally, it would be for almost all motoryacht wake that were at cruising speeds. Now...not any more.

The decision might come down to utilitarian or asthetics. I love my CD22, "Adoryble," but I like to use her more than I like to look at her, so ruining her lines alittle to get better/easier use doesn't upset me.

Didereaux · Post by **Didereaux** » Dec 17th, '05, 10:15

Although the thought of outboards actually mounted outboard on any CD is anathema for several reasons, aesthetics being the lesser and stern mounted being the worst(way to much leveraged weight aft as well as being a nightmare to mount and unmount). I believe Charlie Feinager(?) Gulf Fleet, CD-25 'Sea Dawg' has a rear mount.

There is one method I have actually looked at that makes good sense if you are in such a locale that requires a lot of hp. side-mounted. Easily hung and retrieved, mount folds inward against the side when sailing. I saw this first on Yves Gelinas' Alberg-30 'Jean du Sud'. Pix can be seen on the www.capehorn.com site.

Look, I am not going to defend or argue, merely commenting that this rather unique solution seemed highly practical when other methods do not quite fit the bill.

The mount itself would be dead simple to fabricate and mount if no commercial one was at hand.

g'Luk

winthrop fisher · Post by **winthrop fisher** » Dec 17th, '05, 10:59

Hi Karl...

don't you have an out board well ?

you can get the one that mounts on the out side of the boat,
thats for all sail boats and it gos up and down and the motor will tilt up and down out of the water.

the problem you will have is that it will sit to low to start it the motor, with a pull cord.

and you will need a 25 inch shaft with it and i don't know if you can get them any more.

i have a motor with a 25 inch shaft 4hp for the coast and it was hard to find it and they don't make them any more, may be if you look around.
when it was order i payed only $875 and besides that was in 95.

unless you get a key start for the motor, but it has to be a 9.9 hp and up to get that..

i just wanted to point out a few things, so you will get a better picture.

have a nice christmass
winthrop

Karl Eugene wrote:I keep my Cape Dory 25 in Miami, FL. The outboard is in the well and suffers from barnacle build up. I want to mount the outboard on the transom with a mount that would let me lift the motor out of the water when not in use and when sailing. Is there a motor bracket made for Cape Dory's transom? Did any one do this? If so what works? Does the transom need to be reinforced? I really need help.
Thanks,....Karl in Miami

Oswego John · Post by **Oswego John** » Dec 17th, '05, 11:48

Hi Karl,

I have two points to mention on the subject. First off, some time ago several members mentioned a method in which they pulled a bag of some sort up from under their well mounted motor when the boat was tied up. I don't remember any details of how this was done but they say the bag isolated the lower part of the engine from any marine growth. It should be in the archives somewhere.

The other point is that when Alberg designed the Ty and CD22, he must have taken some consideration of the fact that they had no well but were designed to have an outboard auxiliary propulsion. The builder even provided a classic motor mount on the fantail for this.

I'm not defending the aesthetics of a transom mounted engine. I'm speaking of the original intent and other alternative methods to mount an engine.

For instance, the Ty has a cut away stern overhang which lessens buoyancy. The weight of a small HP motor would probably not affect the trim too much. However, the added weight of a person leaning over the stern while operating the engine would be something else to reckon with.

Your CD 25 has some stern cut away, but not as pronounced as the Ty has. Therefore, it should have more buoyancy in that area for a transom mounted engine than that of, proportionately, the Ty.

There has also been some mention of a spray or paint that is brushed onto the prop to deter barnacles and other marine growth. I don't know how effective it would be in southern waters. maybe some others could add to these thoughts.

Good luck,
O J

Paul McCary · Post by **Paul McCary** » Dec 17th, '05, 12:05

Karl, my 2 cents here is that, unless the side mount option discussed by others works well, you are solving your barnacle problem but taking on three new problems: making your engine less effective as it pulls out of the water in even a moderate chop, worsening the fore-aft trim and making a beautiful boat look bad.
Don't underestimate the seriousness of the first problem. It means that the engine functions poorly (and sounds God-awful)just when you really need it (heading into some seas).

My 4 hp Ty outboard suffers from all these drawbacks, but then again, I don't have the option of using the well. I'd step back and tackle the barnacle problem in some other way.

Allan · Post by **Allan** » Dec 17th, '05, 13:28

What make engine bracket do you have on your CD 22? Is it one of those spring assisted raise/lower type brackets, hydraulic or fixed mounted and you just tilt your engine out of the water. To the other respondents, again no one addresses the reality of the size of the new outboards and how to mount them. Not everyone can sail on and off their moorings or only require a small outboard. Beauty is one thing, practicality is another. Does anyone know if an 8hp Yamaha will fit into a CD 25 motor well?

Cap'n Mike · Post by **Cap'n Mike** » Dec 18th, '05, 08:47

Allan:

My motor mount is one of those spring-assisted types that raises the motor up. I can still tilt the motor which gets the prop about 4 - 6 inches out of the water.

I am not sure about the maker/model, but I am going to the boat today, so I will check for you.

I will also take some pictues for you with the engine fully out of the water and in the water.

Al Levesque · Post by **Al Levesque** » Dec 18th, '05, 08:57

Garelick makes a wide range of engine mounts. We have one on our rowboat that allows the engine to be raised and lowered vertically. Of course the engine still allows for tilting the prop out of the water. One advantage of the vertical adjustment is that we can raise the engine when gunkholing and set it deep when in open water.

Carter Brey · Post by **Carter Brey** » Dec 18th, '05, 09:00

Allan,

If you're concerned about barnacle growth, and do not want to be lifting the engine in and out of the well-- before you do something like bolting your motor to the transom, have a look at this link:

http://www.geocities.com/earlylight160/PropPaint.html

I've also read (in Why Didn't I Think of That? by John and Susan Roberts, International Marine, 1997) that anhydrous lanolin on the prop is effective in preventing or slowing marine growth. Just passing that along, haven't tried it.

Best of luck,
Carter

Allan · Post by **Allan** » Dec 18th, '05, 10:48

Carter, thank you for your response. However, it was Karl from Miami that had issues with barnacles. My issue is finding an outboard powerful enough for my needs that will fit in the motor well. I don't think that any of the new 8 hp or 9.9hp motors will fit that bill. Therefore the interest in motor brackets. An obvious by-product is getting the prop and lower part of the engine out of the water, eliminating Karl's issues.

On another note, congratulations on your new Sabre. Another quality built boat from New England. My wife and I often had our eyes on Sabres, however where we are currently located, " boat-wise", 25' is the limit. Maybe someday. In any event, I've been referring to your web-site with regard to rehabing my '76 CD-25. I'd be interested in hearing about your Sabre. Did it need alot of work? Allan. apmaclean_01824@yahoo.com

Cap'n Mike · Post by **Cap'n Mike** » Dec 18th, '05, 20:57

Ignore the brightwork...it needs work...future project.

Also...the motor is not down all the way. It can go several more inches, but the pictures wouldn't have been as good.

[img]http://www.geocities.com/j_m_kovacs/adoryble/Motor1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.geocities.com/j_m_kovacs/adoryble/Motor2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.geocities.com/j_m_kovacs/adoryble/Motor3.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.geocities.com/j_m_kovacs/adoryble/Motor4.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.geocities.com/j_m_kovacs/adoryble/Motor5.jpg[/img]

Scott MacCready · Post by **Scott MacCready** » Dec 18th, '05, 20:59

when I first purchased my CD25, the previous owner had mounted a Honda 5hp 4-stroke on the stern due to problems associated withit not "breathing" well in the lazerette. It functioned well with the garlick mount but I put it back in the well where it belonged for asthetic reasons. Like other on this board, I solved the breathing problem by venting the secondary exhaust under the waterline.
As far as barnacle build-up, antifouling paint worked somewhat but still required occasional scraping. If I knew I wasn't going to use the boat for a while, I'd pull the engine out of the well.
Anyway, here's some pictures I located....

[img]http://www.geocities.com/travel-rn/Lowe ... railer.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.geocities.com/travel-rn/DownTheRoad.JPG[/img]
[img]http://www.geocities.com/travel-rn/Ster ... heLift.JPG[/img]

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