I am thinking of adding an amidships traveler to my CD28.
Harken makes a track that can be mounted on risers so that it clears
the coach roof.
Questions:
How should I reinforce the risers?
Has anyone done this before?
Can anyone tell me the caveats?
Can the boom support a mid boom block?
I would prefer to have the mainsheet in front of me rather than
behind me. That is the reason for the switch.
Thinking of adding an amidships traveler to CD28
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Captian Mike
Re: Foolishly adding midship traveler to CD28
Dear Rigger:
Why would you every consider doing this? What could you possibly gain? You would lose more than 50% of your leverage by moving the purchase to midship unless you retained part of the existing purchase at the end of the boom. The main sheet is designed this way so the helmsman can handle all working sails from one position without loosing control of the helm. Moving the main sheet amidship, creates a very unfavorable situtation where the helmsman must let go the tiller to handle the mainsail. Why would you wish to cludder the deck, and waste money on a system that makes handling the vessel more difficult. Maybe you need to work you crew harder. Many happy and foolish repairs. Captian Mike
mattngly@concentric.net
Why would you every consider doing this? What could you possibly gain? You would lose more than 50% of your leverage by moving the purchase to midship unless you retained part of the existing purchase at the end of the boom. The main sheet is designed this way so the helmsman can handle all working sails from one position without loosing control of the helm. Moving the main sheet amidship, creates a very unfavorable situtation where the helmsman must let go the tiller to handle the mainsail. Why would you wish to cludder the deck, and waste money on a system that makes handling the vessel more difficult. Maybe you need to work you crew harder. Many happy and foolish repairs. Captian Mike
Brian wrote: I am thinking of adding an amidships traveler to my CD28.
Harken makes a track that can be mounted on risers so that it clears
the coach roof.
Questions:
How should I reinforce the risers?
Has anyone done this before?
Can anyone tell me the caveats?
Can the boom support a mid boom block?
I would prefer to have the mainsheet in front of me rather than
behind me. That is the reason for the switch.
mattngly@concentric.net
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Joe Sankey
Re: Foolishly adding midship traveler to CD28
Brian:
Our former CD28 had mid-boom sheeting; it was the same arrangement and equipment as used on the 30's. I believe more than one bail was used, and yes, when we bought the boat after 10 years use, there was a slight bend in the boom. As to the comments of what you gain, for starters you gain freedom of movement in the cockpit at anchor. And, it is not that difficult to manage the main from the tiller, as the sheet is led to a cam cleat at the back of the coachroof.
I'll sailed 28s with both arrangements. There are trade offs with each. Good luck.
Joe
sankey@gulftel.com
Our former CD28 had mid-boom sheeting; it was the same arrangement and equipment as used on the 30's. I believe more than one bail was used, and yes, when we bought the boat after 10 years use, there was a slight bend in the boom. As to the comments of what you gain, for starters you gain freedom of movement in the cockpit at anchor. And, it is not that difficult to manage the main from the tiller, as the sheet is led to a cam cleat at the back of the coachroof.
I'll sailed 28s with both arrangements. There are trade offs with each. Good luck.
Joe
Captian Mike wrote: Dear Rigger:
Why would you every consider doing this? What could you possibly gain? You would lose more than 50% of your leverage by moving the purchase to midship unless you retained part of the existing purchase at the end of the boom. The main sheet is designed this way so the helmsman can handle all working sails from one position without loosing control of the helm. Moving the main sheet amidship, creates a very unfavorable situtation where the helmsman must let go the tiller to handle the mainsail. Why would you wish to cludder the deck, and waste money on a system that makes handling the vessel more difficult. Maybe you need to work you crew harder. Many happy and foolish repairs. Captian Mike
Brian wrote: I am thinking of adding an amidships traveler to my CD28.
Harken makes a track that can be mounted on risers so that it clears
the coach roof.
Questions:
How should I reinforce the risers?
Has anyone done this before?
Can anyone tell me the caveats?
Can the boom support a mid boom block?
I would prefer to have the mainsheet in front of me rather than
behind me. That is the reason for the switch.
sankey@gulftel.com
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Brian
More info for "Captain" Mike
I would probably add three bails to the boom. The mainsheet would of
course be led aft to the cockpit. I didn't mention that previously because
I thought it was obvious. I would gain the ability to look forward
and monitor the sheet and the horizon at the same time.
I primarily was thinking of the advantage of gybing. Currently to haul the mainsheet in
for preparation of a gybe I need to haul hand over hand, which requires
me to release the tiller and not look ahead. (briefly) I posted the
message to get some opinions on the subject. I will probably leave
it at the end of the boom just because of the hassle of changing it
over. If you have anymore thoughts please let me know. My crew works
just fine, by the way. I was just thinking of options. I can tell
you have some strong feelings on the subject by the way your response
is worded. Thank you for your insight.
course be led aft to the cockpit. I didn't mention that previously because
I thought it was obvious. I would gain the ability to look forward
and monitor the sheet and the horizon at the same time.
I primarily was thinking of the advantage of gybing. Currently to haul the mainsheet in
for preparation of a gybe I need to haul hand over hand, which requires
me to release the tiller and not look ahead. (briefly) I posted the
message to get some opinions on the subject. I will probably leave
it at the end of the boom just because of the hassle of changing it
over. If you have anymore thoughts please let me know. My crew works
just fine, by the way. I was just thinking of options. I can tell
you have some strong feelings on the subject by the way your response
is worded. Thank you for your insight.
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Russ Campbell
Re: Thinking of adding an amidships traveler to CD28
Brian, I added a cabin top traveler to my CD 28 several years ago and it was one of the best improvements I have made to the boat. It takes the sheets out of the cockpit where a jibe might decapitate someone and the controls are easy to reach. Check out some pictures at http://members.tripod.com/~jengle/index.html
Go to the past tips section or if you want email me and I can send you any info you want.
I used teak risers I made myself and installed a Harken traveler. Now I finally know what main sail controls are. Good luck
Russ
camroll@together.net
Go to the past tips section or if you want email me and I can send you any info you want.
I used teak risers I made myself and installed a Harken traveler. Now I finally know what main sail controls are. Good luck
Russ
Brian wrote: I am thinking of adding an amidships traveler to my CD28.
Harken makes a track that can be mounted on risers so that it clears
the coach roof.
Questions:
How should I reinforce the risers?
Has anyone done this before?
Can anyone tell me the caveats?
Can the boom support a mid boom block?
I would prefer to have the mainsheet in front of me rather than
behind me. That is the reason for the switch.
camroll@together.net
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Chris
Re: Thinking of adding an amidships traveler to CD28
Brian - My response will be a bit lighter than some of the other you have received. I would like to offer you the option of looking over my CD330 (which is equiped with a coach-top traveller) if you are attending the Onset rendezvous. The additional tension on the sheet is easily compensated via mechanical advantage with an open cockpit area as a great advantage.
Chris Reinke
Chris Reinke
Brian wrote: I am thinking of adding an amidships traveler to my CD28.
Harken makes a track that can be mounted on risers so that it clears
the coach roof.
Questions:
How should I reinforce the risers?
Has anyone done this before?
Can anyone tell me the caveats?
Can the boom support a mid boom block?
I would prefer to have the mainsheet in front of me rather than
behind me. That is the reason for the switch.
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chuck yahrling
Re: More info for "Captain" Mike
Can't resist putting my two cents in here....Brian wrote: I would probably add three bails to the boom. The mainsheet would of
course be led aft to the cockpit. I didn't mention that previously because
I thought it was obvious. I would gain the ability to look forward
and monitor the sheet and the horizon at the same time.
I primarily was thinking of the advantage of gybing. Currently to haul the mainsheet in
for preparation of a gybe I need to haul hand over hand, which requires
me to release the tiller and not look ahead. (briefly) I posted the
message to get some opinions on the subject. I will probably leave
it at the end of the boom just because of the hassle of changing it
over. If you have anymore thoughts please let me know. My crew works
just fine, by the way. I was just thinking of options. I can tell
you have some strong feelings on the subject by the way your response
is worded. Thank you for your insight.
Why not solve the real problem, which is to reduce the "arm-flailing" required to sheet in? I replaced the stock, boom-end mainsheet tackle and traveler track on my CD-27 with a Harken two-speed (6:1, 3:1) sheet tackle and a Harken windward sheeting car and mid-range track. Re-used the Schaefer mainsheet system as a 4:1 vang/preventer.
I'll admit to being a Harken bigot, but I'm also a single-hander, and the difference is so dramatic I'm sure you'd become a believer after one test sail. BTW, I went with the Harken traveler and track because I was tired of having to use pliers to change the Schaefer slider, which always jammed into wherever it was set, no matter what I did to prevent it. Also, I discovered that my main really likes the traveler over center (to windward) in light to moderate conditions.
Harken will custom bend your track; I scribed a template and took it to West, where I ordered it. Installation required only a cut to length, and a little filing for finish fit. It was was bolt-up after that. Write if you're interested in more info.
yahrling@cybertours.com
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Neil Gordon
Re: Thinking of adding an amidships traveler to CD28
>>The additional tension on the sheet is easily compensated via mechanical advantage ...<<
It also has to be compensated with extra backing, etc., as the traveler is moved forward.
Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167
neil@nrgordon.com
It also has to be compensated with extra backing, etc., as the traveler is moved forward.
Regards, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167
neil@nrgordon.com
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Captain Mike
What is two cents worth?
Dear riggers:
I must have waken a little to early Sunday morning. The seas being rough and wind on the bow, must have changed my disposition. I have always chosen "kiss" as a direction for changing certain rigs. Kiss stands for "keep it simple stupid". Do not misunderstand me that I suggest anyone is stupid-its is only a saying. The simpler things are the longer they usually function. In my decades of seamanship, I have experienced that there is always another way to rig a sail. The fact that seems to be present today which may not have been so plentiful of earlier days is the abundance of fittings for the novice rigger. I always enjoy ones two cents even if it costs considerably more. Yes, there are times when new product engineering has contributed to ease and safety of sailing. Ponder a moment 1898, when Joshua Slocum initiated the first solo circumnavigation in "Spray". Given a delapidated vessel and challenged to a fifty dollar bet! With only wood, canvas, and a chronimeter missing the minute hand, he won the fifty dollars. The "Flying Cloud" record (1849)from Manhattan to San Fran was finally surpassed by "Thursday's Child" in 1987 by 8 hours. Compare wood, canvas and hemp full laden for profit 450 tons displacement racing a 37'(?)resin hull, stainless steel,and kevlar. The "Flying Cloud" lost its upper hamper(topgallant masts) three times on the voyage where Hunter 37' had to have glass flown to the Falklands. The "Flying Cloud's cutter(dingy) is longer than most of the vessels we sail. Do not forget they did it all without the "Iron genny" even though the doldrums. Do not misunderstand me-I too have damaged a few hulls and bent a few rigs, and placed what I thought to be a great improvement to learn latter that I too was foolish. I wonder which is worst being the village fool or it's Idiot? Try passing the tiller and sheet behind you while you continue to look forward during any change of sailing point. Sometimes it is easier to change oneself than the rig.
And most of all don't forget to keep your stick on the ice.
Captain Mike
mattngly@concentric.net
I must have waken a little to early Sunday morning. The seas being rough and wind on the bow, must have changed my disposition. I have always chosen "kiss" as a direction for changing certain rigs. Kiss stands for "keep it simple stupid". Do not misunderstand me that I suggest anyone is stupid-its is only a saying. The simpler things are the longer they usually function. In my decades of seamanship, I have experienced that there is always another way to rig a sail. The fact that seems to be present today which may not have been so plentiful of earlier days is the abundance of fittings for the novice rigger. I always enjoy ones two cents even if it costs considerably more. Yes, there are times when new product engineering has contributed to ease and safety of sailing. Ponder a moment 1898, when Joshua Slocum initiated the first solo circumnavigation in "Spray". Given a delapidated vessel and challenged to a fifty dollar bet! With only wood, canvas, and a chronimeter missing the minute hand, he won the fifty dollars. The "Flying Cloud" record (1849)from Manhattan to San Fran was finally surpassed by "Thursday's Child" in 1987 by 8 hours. Compare wood, canvas and hemp full laden for profit 450 tons displacement racing a 37'(?)resin hull, stainless steel,and kevlar. The "Flying Cloud" lost its upper hamper(topgallant masts) three times on the voyage where Hunter 37' had to have glass flown to the Falklands. The "Flying Cloud's cutter(dingy) is longer than most of the vessels we sail. Do not forget they did it all without the "Iron genny" even though the doldrums. Do not misunderstand me-I too have damaged a few hulls and bent a few rigs, and placed what I thought to be a great improvement to learn latter that I too was foolish. I wonder which is worst being the village fool or it's Idiot? Try passing the tiller and sheet behind you while you continue to look forward during any change of sailing point. Sometimes it is easier to change oneself than the rig.
And most of all don't forget to keep your stick on the ice.
Captain Mike
chuck yahrling wrote:Can't resist putting my two cents in here....Brian wrote: I would probably add three bails to the boom. The mainsheet would of
course be led aft to the cockpit. I didn't mention that previously because
I thought it was obvious. I would gain the ability to look forward
and monitor the sheet and the horizon at the same time.
I primarily was thinking of the advantage of gybing. Currently to haul the mainsheet in
for preparation of a gybe I need to haul hand over hand, which requires
me to release the tiller and not look ahead. (briefly) I posted the
message to get some opinions on the subject. I will probably leave
it at the end of the boom just because of the hassle of changing it
over. If you have anymore thoughts please let me know. My crew works
just fine, by the way. I was just thinking of options. I can tell
you have some strong feelings on the subject by the way your response
is worded. Thank you for your insight.
Why not solve the real problem, which is to reduce the "arm-flailing" required to sheet in? I replaced the stock, boom-end mainsheet tackle and traveler track on my CD-27 with a Harken two-speed (6:1, 3:1) sheet tackle and a Harken windward sheeting car and mid-range track. Re-used the Schaefer mainsheet system as a 4:1 vang/preventer.
I'll admit to being a Harken bigot, but I'm also a single-hander, and the difference is so dramatic I'm sure you'd become a believer after one test sail. BTW, I went with the Harken traveler and track because I was tired of having to use pliers to change the Schaefer slider, which always jammed into wherever it was set, no matter what I did to prevent it. Also, I discovered that my main really likes the traveler over center (to windward) in light to moderate conditions.
Harken will custom bend your track; I scribed a template and took it to West, where I ordered it. Installation required only a cut to length, and a little filing for finish fit. It was was bolt-up after that. Write if you're interested in more info.
mattngly@concentric.net
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Lee H. Hodsdon