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Mitchell Bober
Sunny Annapolis, MD
New Orleans Pix
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M. R. Bober
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so sad...
I read many storm predictions for years about how NO was a disaster waiting to happen. I guess the wait's over now. I feel so sorry for the folks living in and around NO. I lived in the French Quarter for 2 years in the early 70s and it was always sobering to walk over to the top of the Mississippi River levee during storm runoff and realize that IF that levee ever broke NO would be in big trouble. This disaster is the result of a relatively small break.
Once the water gets pumped out the amount of debris left behind will be staggering.
get ready for $4 / gal!
randy 25D Seraph #161
Once the water gets pumped out the amount of debris left behind will be staggering.
get ready for $4 / gal!
randy 25D Seraph #161
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Brian D
Is that a Cape dory in the upper right 1/3
of the picture? looks like it could be a CD 30.
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Katrina's Real Name
Published on Tuesday, August 30, 2005 by the Boston Globe
Katrina's Real Name
by Ross Gelbspan
The hurricane that struck Louisiana yesterday was nicknamed Katrina by the National Weather Service. Its real name is global warming.
When the year began with a two-foot snowfall in Los Angeles, the cause was global warming.
When 124-mile-an-hour winds shut down nuclear plants in Scandinavia and cut power to hundreds of thousands of people in Ireland and the United Kingdom, the driver was global warming.
When a severe drought in the Midwest dropped water levels in the Missouri River to their lowest on record earlier this summer, the reason was global warming.
In July, when the worst drought on record triggered wildfires in Spain and Portugal and left water levels in France at their lowest in 30 years, the explanation was global warming.
When a lethal heat wave in Arizona kept temperatures above 110 degrees and killed more than 20 people in one week, the culprit was global warming.
And when the Indian city of Bombay (Mumbai) received 37 inches of rain in one day -- killing 1,000 people and disrupting the lives of 20 million others -- the villain was global warming.
As the atmosphere warms, it generates longer droughts, more-intense downpours, more-frequent heat waves, and more-severe storms.
Although Katrina began as a relatively small hurricane that glanced off south Florida, it was supercharged with extraordinary intensity by the relatively blistering sea surface temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico.
The consequences are as heartbreaking as they are terrifying.
Unfortunately, very few people in America know the real name of Hurricane Katrina because the coal and oil industries have spent millions of dollars to keep the public in doubt about the issue.
The reason is simple: To allow the climate to stabilize requires humanity to cut its use of coal and oil by 70 percent. That, of course, threatens the survival of one of the largest commercial enterprises in history.
In 1995, public utility hearings in Minnesota found that the coal industry had paid more than $1 million to four scientists who were public dissenters on global warming. And ExxonMobil has spent more than $13 million since 1998 on an anti-global warming public relations and lobbying campaign.
In 2000, big oil and big coal scored their biggest electoral victory yet when President George W. Bush was elected president -- and subsequently took suggestions from the industry for his climate and energy policies.
As the pace of climate change accelerates, many researchers fear we have already entered a period of irreversible runaway climate change.
Against this background, the ignorance of the American public about global warming stands out as an indictment of the US media.
When the US press has bothered to cover the subject of global warming, it has focused almost exclusively on its political and diplomatic aspects and not on what the warming is doing to our agriculture, water supplies, plant and animal life, public health, and weather.
For years, the fossil fuel industry has lobbied the media to accord the same weight to a handful of global warming skeptics that it accords the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- more than 2,000 scientists from 100 countries reporting to the United Nations.
Today, with the science having become even more robust -- and the impacts as visible as the megastorm that covered much of the Gulf of Mexico -- the press bears a share of the guilt for our self-induced destruction with the oil and coal industries.
As a Bostonian, I am afraid that the coming winter will -- like last winter -- be unusually short and devastatingly severe. At the beginning of 2005, a deadly ice storm knocked out power to thousands of people in New England and dropped a record-setting 42.2 inches of snow on Boston.
The conventional name of the month was January. Its real name is global warming.
Ross Gelbspan is author of ''The Heat Is On" and ''Boiling Point.
Following the quote is from the full text of a speech this afternoon by the CEO of British Petroleum -- this is a big leap for Big Oil
"There's a lot of noise in the data. It is hard to isolate cause and effect. But there is now an effective consensus among the world's leading scientists and serious and well informed people outside the scientific community that there is a discernible human influence on the climate, and a link between the concentration of carbon dioxide and the increase in temperature.....
"The time to consider the policy dimensions of climate change is not when the link between greenhouse gases and climate change is conclusively proven … but when the possibility cannot be discounted and is taken seriously by the society of which we are part.
"We in BP have reached that point."
-- John Browne, Group Chief Executive, British Petroleum (BP America) Stanford University, 19 May 1997
http://dieoff.org/page106.htm
Katrina's Real Name
by Ross Gelbspan
The hurricane that struck Louisiana yesterday was nicknamed Katrina by the National Weather Service. Its real name is global warming.
When the year began with a two-foot snowfall in Los Angeles, the cause was global warming.
When 124-mile-an-hour winds shut down nuclear plants in Scandinavia and cut power to hundreds of thousands of people in Ireland and the United Kingdom, the driver was global warming.
When a severe drought in the Midwest dropped water levels in the Missouri River to their lowest on record earlier this summer, the reason was global warming.
In July, when the worst drought on record triggered wildfires in Spain and Portugal and left water levels in France at their lowest in 30 years, the explanation was global warming.
When a lethal heat wave in Arizona kept temperatures above 110 degrees and killed more than 20 people in one week, the culprit was global warming.
And when the Indian city of Bombay (Mumbai) received 37 inches of rain in one day -- killing 1,000 people and disrupting the lives of 20 million others -- the villain was global warming.
As the atmosphere warms, it generates longer droughts, more-intense downpours, more-frequent heat waves, and more-severe storms.
Although Katrina began as a relatively small hurricane that glanced off south Florida, it was supercharged with extraordinary intensity by the relatively blistering sea surface temperatures in the Gulf of Mexico.
The consequences are as heartbreaking as they are terrifying.
Unfortunately, very few people in America know the real name of Hurricane Katrina because the coal and oil industries have spent millions of dollars to keep the public in doubt about the issue.
The reason is simple: To allow the climate to stabilize requires humanity to cut its use of coal and oil by 70 percent. That, of course, threatens the survival of one of the largest commercial enterprises in history.
In 1995, public utility hearings in Minnesota found that the coal industry had paid more than $1 million to four scientists who were public dissenters on global warming. And ExxonMobil has spent more than $13 million since 1998 on an anti-global warming public relations and lobbying campaign.
In 2000, big oil and big coal scored their biggest electoral victory yet when President George W. Bush was elected president -- and subsequently took suggestions from the industry for his climate and energy policies.
As the pace of climate change accelerates, many researchers fear we have already entered a period of irreversible runaway climate change.
Against this background, the ignorance of the American public about global warming stands out as an indictment of the US media.
When the US press has bothered to cover the subject of global warming, it has focused almost exclusively on its political and diplomatic aspects and not on what the warming is doing to our agriculture, water supplies, plant and animal life, public health, and weather.
For years, the fossil fuel industry has lobbied the media to accord the same weight to a handful of global warming skeptics that it accords the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -- more than 2,000 scientists from 100 countries reporting to the United Nations.
Today, with the science having become even more robust -- and the impacts as visible as the megastorm that covered much of the Gulf of Mexico -- the press bears a share of the guilt for our self-induced destruction with the oil and coal industries.
As a Bostonian, I am afraid that the coming winter will -- like last winter -- be unusually short and devastatingly severe. At the beginning of 2005, a deadly ice storm knocked out power to thousands of people in New England and dropped a record-setting 42.2 inches of snow on Boston.
The conventional name of the month was January. Its real name is global warming.
Ross Gelbspan is author of ''The Heat Is On" and ''Boiling Point.
Following the quote is from the full text of a speech this afternoon by the CEO of British Petroleum -- this is a big leap for Big Oil
"There's a lot of noise in the data. It is hard to isolate cause and effect. But there is now an effective consensus among the world's leading scientists and serious and well informed people outside the scientific community that there is a discernible human influence on the climate, and a link between the concentration of carbon dioxide and the increase in temperature.....
"The time to consider the policy dimensions of climate change is not when the link between greenhouse gases and climate change is conclusively proven … but when the possibility cannot be discounted and is taken seriously by the society of which we are part.
"We in BP have reached that point."
-- John Browne, Group Chief Executive, British Petroleum (BP America) Stanford University, 19 May 1997
http://dieoff.org/page106.htm
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M. R. Bober
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Anonymous posters
When anonymous "guest" posters are arguing with each other on our board, it's time to reconsider registration of posters. IMHO.
The few sites upon which I post limit the wackos by either the direct intervention of the webmaster or by requiring posters to identify themselves. I think we need to deal with the issue, now.
Mitchell Bober
Sunny Annapolis (where writing your name is taught in the primary grades)MD
The few sites upon which I post limit the wackos by either the direct intervention of the webmaster or by requiring posters to identify themselves. I think we need to deal with the issue, now.
Mitchell Bober
Sunny Annapolis (where writing your name is taught in the primary grades)MD
Anonymous posters
Point well taken Mitchell, although I wouldn't exactly characterize any of this as much of an argument. That was my "nonsense" comment in regard to the previous post about global warming. I was just planning on taking a quick look at the new posts for the day and hadn't signed in when I shot off that note.
About a year ago when I first started reading some of these sailing boards, I was very impressed by the lack of this kind of political commentary, and the overall quality of the posts and attitude of the participants, and, I may have over-reacted a bit when seeing this one. Given that, let me re-phrase… There are plenty of discussion boards out there for political commentary. Let’s please try to keep this one clean and on topic. Thank you.
About a year ago when I first started reading some of these sailing boards, I was very impressed by the lack of this kind of political commentary, and the overall quality of the posts and attitude of the participants, and, I may have over-reacted a bit when seeing this one. Given that, let me re-phrase… There are plenty of discussion boards out there for political commentary. Let’s please try to keep this one clean and on topic. Thank you.
Mark Dussell
La wetlands
The same thing was said about the effect on the LA wetlands years ago when the "Army Corp" of engineers purposed the re-alignment of the Mississippi River. It's not ALL complete nonsense.
Randy 25D Seraph #161
Randy 25D Seraph #161
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George Shaunfield
- Posts: 104
- Joined: Feb 7th, '05, 20:34
- Location: Wings of the Morning, CD26
and Westsail 28
Dickinson Bayou, Galveston Bay, TX
One CD Rescued from NO
Thanks for the pictures, Mitch.
I bought my CD two years ago and brought it by water under its own power from the Municipal Yacht Harbor in New Orleans to Galveston Bay in Texas. Unknown at the time, but I guess we saved it from probable death.
George
I bought my CD two years ago and brought it by water under its own power from the Municipal Yacht Harbor in New Orleans to Galveston Bay in Texas. Unknown at the time, but I guess we saved it from probable death.
George
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Neil Gordon
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- Location: s/v LIQUIDITY, CD28. We sail from Marina Bay on Boston Harbor. Try us on channel 9.
- Contact:
I'm a fan of keeping this site and its content more or less consistent with its stated mission, given that as a community, we're likely to discuss all sorts of tangential topics from time to time.Ron Musk wrote:Is this drivel to continue ?
As for continuing the drivel, there's been more discussion of the drivel and what to do about it than there was drivel in the first place. We get spammed from time to time, but it's hardly an overwhelming problem. (By the way, if we stop posting to the thread, it goes to the bottom of the pile.)
Fair winds, Neil
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167
Boston, MA
CDSOA member #698
s/v LIQUIDITY
Cape Dory 28 #167
Boston, MA
CDSOA member #698
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Suharto's legacy to Cape Dory owners
Global warming is dictator's legacy
David Adam, environment correspondent
Saturday September 3, 2005
Guardian
A bungled attempt to turn swaths of Indonesian peat swamps into rice plantations threatens to increase global warming on a massive scale, a scientist said yesterday.
Susan Page, a geography researcher at the University of Leicester, said annual fires provoked by peatland drainage on the island of Borneo were releasing enough carbon dioxide to swamp worldwide reductions in greenhouse gas emissions agreed under the Kyoto protocol.
She called for international action to reflood the peat swamps in Central Kalimantan province, which were drained by the dictator General Suharto in the mid 1990s and now catch fire each dry season.
Fires in the region in 1997 released up to 2.7bn tons of carbon dioxide, the largest single release since records began in 1957, and equivalent of up to 40% of annual global emissions from burning fossil fuels, Dr Page told the Royal Geographical Society's meeting in London.
She said: "Tropical peatlands are vast stores of carbon that have accumulated over thousands of years. In a matter of months, peatland fires can liberate 1,000-2,000 years' worth of carbon.
"The situation can only get worse. We need to stop the fires, and the best way is to re-wet the landscape."
At the current rate of burning, the peat swamp's entire carbon stocks, built up over 27,000 years from forest litter too wet to rot, will be released into the atmosphere by 2040.
Dr Page said the environmental problems caused by the massive smoke clouds each year had got international attention, but the scale of the carbon emissions had not.
Many of the fires are started deliberately by locals to clear land for agriculture, but they spread rapidly out of control.
The swamp drainage also threatens the survival of Borneo's estimated 7,000 orangutans, the largest single population in the world.
Suharto's project, called Mega Rice, was to convert more than a million hectares of peat swamp into rice fields.
Barely a grain was ever produced. The uneven ground made irrigation impossible and the soil proved too acidic, as the few local experts willing to speak out against Suharto's plan had predicted.
Dr Page said: "People just don't understand peatlands and don't understand wetlands, as we've seen with the situation in New Orleans. People have a misguided impression of our abilities to manipulate natural ecosystems."
David Adam, environment correspondent
Saturday September 3, 2005
Guardian
A bungled attempt to turn swaths of Indonesian peat swamps into rice plantations threatens to increase global warming on a massive scale, a scientist said yesterday.
Susan Page, a geography researcher at the University of Leicester, said annual fires provoked by peatland drainage on the island of Borneo were releasing enough carbon dioxide to swamp worldwide reductions in greenhouse gas emissions agreed under the Kyoto protocol.
She called for international action to reflood the peat swamps in Central Kalimantan province, which were drained by the dictator General Suharto in the mid 1990s and now catch fire each dry season.
Fires in the region in 1997 released up to 2.7bn tons of carbon dioxide, the largest single release since records began in 1957, and equivalent of up to 40% of annual global emissions from burning fossil fuels, Dr Page told the Royal Geographical Society's meeting in London.
She said: "Tropical peatlands are vast stores of carbon that have accumulated over thousands of years. In a matter of months, peatland fires can liberate 1,000-2,000 years' worth of carbon.
"The situation can only get worse. We need to stop the fires, and the best way is to re-wet the landscape."
At the current rate of burning, the peat swamp's entire carbon stocks, built up over 27,000 years from forest litter too wet to rot, will be released into the atmosphere by 2040.
Dr Page said the environmental problems caused by the massive smoke clouds each year had got international attention, but the scale of the carbon emissions had not.
Many of the fires are started deliberately by locals to clear land for agriculture, but they spread rapidly out of control.
The swamp drainage also threatens the survival of Borneo's estimated 7,000 orangutans, the largest single population in the world.
Suharto's project, called Mega Rice, was to convert more than a million hectares of peat swamp into rice fields.
Barely a grain was ever produced. The uneven ground made irrigation impossible and the soil proved too acidic, as the few local experts willing to speak out against Suharto's plan had predicted.
Dr Page said: "People just don't understand peatlands and don't understand wetlands, as we've seen with the situation in New Orleans. People have a misguided impression of our abilities to manipulate natural ecosystems."
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winthrop fisher
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cd 22 "Easy Rider Sr" 84
Re: New Orleans Pix
Hey... 
after all the hurricanes i have been thru and all of my boats that came thru ever time.
i have friends that lived there and i am still wanting for them to send me a not or call me.
i would like to see them alive again.
they are in my players and dreams.
i hope ever thing works out for all of them, for the better.
and thanks for the pictures.
winthrop
after all the hurricanes i have been thru and all of my boats that came thru ever time.
i have friends that lived there and i am still wanting for them to send me a not or call me.
i would like to see them alive again.
they are in my players and dreams.
i hope ever thing works out for all of them, for the better.
and thanks for the pictures.
winthrop
M. R. Bober wrote:http://www.wwltv.com/sharedcontent/brea ... na/15.html
Grim.
Mitchell Bober
Sunny Annapolis, MD