I have looked at several Typhoons over the years and one has caught my attention since it needs some work - it is a '76. I've never owned a boat before, so please be patient with these questions if they sound stupid... Can anyone share their knowledge of these problems:
1) the cabin is full of water - when I lift the port-side cockpit lid, I see what looks like a bilge pump hose. Is there, indeed a bilge pump standard on the Ty? The reason I ask, beyond getting the water out, is there seems to be a slow trickling leak about 5-6" above the bottom of the keel. I suspect the water's coming from the cabin since it's been dry here for a few days. Is this a catastrophic problem?! Should I not consider the boat?!
2) how does the cockpit self-bail with the drain holes below waterline? In the sole of the cockpit, near the hatch, there are two drain holes - are these supposed to have plugs?
3) finally, since I've had a number of other "projects" over the years, one of the things I've learned is to spend more money up-front, rather than buy the bargain item. "You get what you pay for." Since this boat doesn't come with engine, trailer or cushions, am I better off spending $4000+ on a ready-to-go boat, rather than $2000 on a project? I'm willing to do the work - in fact, I'd almost rather have the satisfaction - but am I setting myself up for spending a ton of money?
Thanks.
- Frank
Batch of Typhoon questions... HELP!
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Rick Rosenberger
Re: Batch of Typhoon questions... HELP!
First I am assuming that the boat you are referring to is on the hard. The reason for the water is due to rain. The cockpit drains are actually at the water line of the boat. Directly in front of the companion way there should be two holes in the floor of the cockpit (one on each side) these are connected to the thru hull fittings below the water line, in between there is flexible hose and some type of shutoff valve. It would be my guess that either one or both of these hoses are disconnected above the valve and the valves are closed. This is why you are seeing so much water in the boat. Typhoons do not come with bilge pumps. With the cabin closed and everything properly sealed there should be very little water in the bilge, and all water in the cockpit should drain. If you are seriously considering this boat I would first drain all water from the boat, inspect the connections to the cockpit drains open the valves, Close up the cabin and drench the boat with a hose. Then reinspect the bilge if it is full of water again then the boat has a lot of leaks above the water line that will need to be addressed. There are many areas where water can run from the deck into the bilge finding all of them will take time and would be a concern if you plan to keep the boat in the water. If you want to start sailing sooner buy a boat that is ready for the water or that may only need cosmetic attention. This boat sounds like its been sitting for quite some time.
r.rosenberger@verizon.net
Frank wrote: I have looked at several Typhoons over the years and one has caught my attention since it needs some work - it is a '76. I've never owned a boat before, so please be patient with these questions if they sound stupid... Can anyone share their knowledge of these problems:
1) the cabin is full of water - when I lift the port-side cockpit lid, I see what looks like a bilge pump hose. Is there, indeed a bilge pump standard on the Ty? The reason I ask, beyond getting the water out, is there seems to be a slow trickling leak about 5-6" above the bottom of the keel. I suspect the water's coming from the cabin since it's been dry here for a few days. Is this a catastrophic problem?! Should I not consider the boat?!
2) how does the cockpit self-bail with the drain holes below waterline? In the sole of the cockpit, near the hatch, there are two drain holes - are these supposed to have plugs?
3) finally, since I've had a number of other "projects" over the years, one of the things I've learned is to spend more money up-front, rather than buy the bargain item. "You get what you pay for." Since this boat doesn't come with engine, trailer or cushions, am I better off spending $4000+ on a ready-to-go boat, rather than $2000 on a project? I'm willing to do the work - in fact, I'd almost rather have the satisfaction - but am I setting myself up for spending a ton of money?
Thanks.
- Frank
r.rosenberger@verizon.net
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John H
Re: Batch of Typhoon questions... HELP!
Rick gives the right advice on this boat. You might also need to snake the lines in case there are leaves causing a near total blockage allowing some to trickle through.
Check the decks carefully for seepage into the balsa core. "Inspecting the Aging Sailboat" by Don Casey is a worthwhile $25 if you are on the verge of any purchase.
Even if you buy a sail-ready boat, you will not have any shortage of projects with which to make her your own. It is just that you will be sailing her sooner.
John H.
jhalpo@rcn.com
Check the decks carefully for seepage into the balsa core. "Inspecting the Aging Sailboat" by Don Casey is a worthwhile $25 if you are on the verge of any purchase.
Even if you buy a sail-ready boat, you will not have any shortage of projects with which to make her your own. It is just that you will be sailing her sooner.
John H.
jhalpo@rcn.com
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Joel
Re: Batch of Typhoon questions... HELP!
As Rick points out, the cockpit scuppers are just above the waterline connected to hoses to thru-hulls that are below the waterline. When the boat lowered into the water and "sitting on her lines", the water rises up thru the thru-hulls thru the hoses to its level, which is just below the scuppers. You should be able to just see some water in the holes. When it rains (or for any reason you get water in the cockpit) it drains out thru the scuppers into the body of water in which the boat is floating. If the cockpit scuppers were below the waterline (which they're not), the cockpit would fill with water up to the waterline and no further. As long as the cabin doesn't fill up with water, she'll float.
In addition to getting into the cabin thru holes in the deck or companionway, water could get in if a scupper hose is broken or disconnected.
As far as the integrity of the hull you're buying, I'm most concerned about the "slow leaks" you mentioned. If what you're seeing is water coming out of the cockpit drain thru-hulls, you're OK. There shouldn't be any other places where water could be leaking out. If there are, that indicates a compromised hull and I would stay away from this vessel.
When you walk around on the deck and cockpit sole, it should feel solid, with no creaking or mushiness. If there's either, you have delaminated core which is a real bear to fix. I know, I've done it. If that's the case, I wouldn't necessarily stay away from this boat, but it should be selling for less than $2k. And I'd only go into it knowing what has to be done and if I was planning on doing the repair myself (it's very costly to have done).
All that said, they're great boats. Good luck.
Joel
soon-to-be former owner of Pokey II
'73 Ty #549
soon-to-be new owner of MAYO
'78 Pearson 323 #101
Bayside, NY
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In addition to getting into the cabin thru holes in the deck or companionway, water could get in if a scupper hose is broken or disconnected.
As far as the integrity of the hull you're buying, I'm most concerned about the "slow leaks" you mentioned. If what you're seeing is water coming out of the cockpit drain thru-hulls, you're OK. There shouldn't be any other places where water could be leaking out. If there are, that indicates a compromised hull and I would stay away from this vessel.
When you walk around on the deck and cockpit sole, it should feel solid, with no creaking or mushiness. If there's either, you have delaminated core which is a real bear to fix. I know, I've done it. If that's the case, I wouldn't necessarily stay away from this boat, but it should be selling for less than $2k. And I'd only go into it knowing what has to be done and if I was planning on doing the repair myself (it's very costly to have done).
All that said, they're great boats. Good luck.
Joel
soon-to-be former owner of Pokey II
'73 Ty #549
soon-to-be new owner of MAYO
'78 Pearson 323 #101
Bayside, NY
bondy_joelNOSPAM@hotmail.com
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Joel
Re: Batch of Typhoon questions... HELP!
By the way, the shortage of systems you mention is actually a plus in this boat. As long as the hull, deck and rigging are sound, you don't have the complexities of electrical, plumbing or engine systems to make life difficult for you!
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Frank
Clarification...
First things first... the boat is out-of-water and has been for several years. Now, for the clarification:
If I understand correctly, does the bilge flow out of the thru-hull fittings as well? Is there a "tee-piece" connection that allows it to intersect with the cockpit drains - or are they 2 different "systems" altogether?
The cockpit is bone dry. The CABIN is full of water. So, I am assuming now that there is a broken hose preventing the cabin from draining out properly. Which leads me to another couple of questions...
Question 1: when the boat is in the water and everything is hooked up properly, does the bilge drain out? Or do you still need to manually empty the bilge?
Question 2: the "leak" that I mentioned at the base of the keel - can it be related to the cabin water? I am assuming it is since the cockpit is bone dry. That said, would it be a very costly repair? Would it cause the boat to sink if it were unattended to properly?
Thanks.
- Frank
If I understand correctly, does the bilge flow out of the thru-hull fittings as well? Is there a "tee-piece" connection that allows it to intersect with the cockpit drains - or are they 2 different "systems" altogether?
The cockpit is bone dry. The CABIN is full of water. So, I am assuming now that there is a broken hose preventing the cabin from draining out properly. Which leads me to another couple of questions...
Question 1: when the boat is in the water and everything is hooked up properly, does the bilge drain out? Or do you still need to manually empty the bilge?
Question 2: the "leak" that I mentioned at the base of the keel - can it be related to the cabin water? I am assuming it is since the cockpit is bone dry. That said, would it be a very costly repair? Would it cause the boat to sink if it were unattended to properly?
Thanks.
- Frank
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Joel
Re: Clarification...
The bilge does not flow out of the thru-hull fittings. There is no "tee-piece" connection that allows it to intersect with the cockpit drains. There is no drainage systems for the cabin. You manually pump the bilge. I use a hand-pump. I only need to use it after a heavy rain beciase water comes in through the companionway hatch. I could fix this, but it never takes more than 5 minutes and isn't every time I use the boat.
The only way I could see that the leak you mentioned at the base of the keel could be related to the water in the cabin is if the hull is compromised, badly. That was why I asked if what you saw could actually be water dripping from the thru-hulls. If a hose between the cockpit scupper and the thru-hull was removed, cabin water might drip out thru the thru-hull. If water can get out to the bottom of the hull when the boat is on the hard, it could get into the cabin when afloat. This would cause the boat to sink if it were unattended to.
Joel
The only way I could see that the leak you mentioned at the base of the keel could be related to the water in the cabin is if the hull is compromised, badly. That was why I asked if what you saw could actually be water dripping from the thru-hulls. If a hose between the cockpit scupper and the thru-hull was removed, cabin water might drip out thru the thru-hull. If water can get out to the bottom of the hull when the boat is on the hard, it could get into the cabin when afloat. This would cause the boat to sink if it were unattended to.
Joel
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Marc
Re: Batch of Typhoon questions... HELP!
Frank,
You did not talk about the sails and the rigging, if they are useless your boat will cost you more then 4k. Just add the motor and the trailer to the sails and you will pop your wallet. I think (because i just finish a project boat) if you could find a TY with all the suft you want on her, try to make a deal with the owner, even if it's a little more money of what you want to spend. With a severe project boat you will at the end realise that you spend a bunch of money.
My Advise: Search a TY with a good trailor and do'nt bother if you have some road to do for buy her. What's in a life make a 6 hours trip if at the end you got your perfect boat.
The Typhoon is a very good choice...I sold mine and i can say i miss her.
Marc
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adrenaline@vif.com
You did not talk about the sails and the rigging, if they are useless your boat will cost you more then 4k. Just add the motor and the trailer to the sails and you will pop your wallet. I think (because i just finish a project boat) if you could find a TY with all the suft you want on her, try to make a deal with the owner, even if it's a little more money of what you want to spend. With a severe project boat you will at the end realise that you spend a bunch of money.
My Advise: Search a TY with a good trailor and do'nt bother if you have some road to do for buy her. What's in a life make a 6 hours trip if at the end you got your perfect boat.
The Typhoon is a very good choice...I sold mine and i can say i miss her.
Marc
A22 #275
Frank wrote: I have looked at several Typhoons over the years and one has caught my attention since it needs some work - it is a '76. I've never owned a boat before, so please be patient with these questions if they sound stupid... Can anyone share their knowledge of these problems:
1) the cabin is full of water - when I lift the port-side cockpit lid, I see what looks like a bilge pump hose. Is there, indeed a bilge pump standard on the Ty? The reason I ask, beyond getting the water out, is there seems to be a slow trickling leak about 5-6" above the bottom of the keel. I suspect the water's coming from the cabin since it's been dry here for a few days. Is this a catastrophic problem?! Should I not consider the boat?!
2) how does the cockpit self-bail with the drain holes below waterline? In the sole of the cockpit, near the hatch, there are two drain holes - are these supposed to have plugs?
3) finally, since I've had a number of other "projects" over the years, one of the things I've learned is to spend more money up-front, rather than buy the bargain item. "You get what you pay for." Since this boat doesn't come with engine, trailer or cushions, am I better off spending $4000+ on a ready-to-go boat, rather than $2000 on a project? I'm willing to do the work - in fact, I'd almost rather have the satisfaction - but am I setting myself up for spending a ton of money?
Thanks.
- Frank
adrenaline@vif.com
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Dana
Re: Batch of Typhoon questions... HELP!
Frank,
The two drains in the cockpit are each directly hose connected to seacocks which exit the hull below the waterline. This means that if the boat is in the water the drain hoses will be normally part filled with water. But since the drain openings in the cockpit are above the waterline, the water will not rise high enough in the hoses to dump into the cockpit (water seeks it own level). But it also means that a loose hose clamp (especially the lower one at the through hull location), dripping seacock valve or bad hose will cause a drip or small stream to leak into the boat. A drip or small stream noted into the bilge does not necessarily mean there is something wrong with the hull. And if this is the cause I would not necessarily rule out the boat. It would be fairly inexpensive to fix.
The bilge is not self bailing and requires a manual pump to empty the bilge. Many people install a manual pump permanently or have a portable along with them. I installed a permanent one on my CD26 but have never used it. My suggestion is to close the seacocks, pump out the boat. If the leak stops ( you no longer see the stream) then the hose/clamp is probably the problem.
The other possible location for a problem is a leak around the rudder shaft stem tube below the water line. The tube is supposed to be heavily glassed around its base to the hull at its lower end and to the bottom of the cockpit at the top. It could have developed a leak below the water line (the lower glassed area). You should be able to see it.
darenius@aol.com
The two drains in the cockpit are each directly hose connected to seacocks which exit the hull below the waterline. This means that if the boat is in the water the drain hoses will be normally part filled with water. But since the drain openings in the cockpit are above the waterline, the water will not rise high enough in the hoses to dump into the cockpit (water seeks it own level). But it also means that a loose hose clamp (especially the lower one at the through hull location), dripping seacock valve or bad hose will cause a drip or small stream to leak into the boat. A drip or small stream noted into the bilge does not necessarily mean there is something wrong with the hull. And if this is the cause I would not necessarily rule out the boat. It would be fairly inexpensive to fix.
The bilge is not self bailing and requires a manual pump to empty the bilge. Many people install a manual pump permanently or have a portable along with them. I installed a permanent one on my CD26 but have never used it. My suggestion is to close the seacocks, pump out the boat. If the leak stops ( you no longer see the stream) then the hose/clamp is probably the problem.
The other possible location for a problem is a leak around the rudder shaft stem tube below the water line. The tube is supposed to be heavily glassed around its base to the hull at its lower end and to the bottom of the cockpit at the top. It could have developed a leak below the water line (the lower glassed area). You should be able to see it.
darenius@aol.com