I am in the market for a cruising sailboat for use with my family (wife and 3 children younger than 6yrs old). We live in Northern NJ and would be keeping it on the Hudson River. We'd like to daysail and have the option for overnight trips. Any thoughts?
jh736@columbia.edu
CD27 vs CD28
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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javier
Re: CD27 vs CD28
I have owned neither, so I must yield to the advice of those who have. With the intention (honest) of opening up the query I will only add that I have done a little research and found that CD 27's (not CD 270's) have more beautiful lines that 28's. I have come across opinions that say that 27's are faster...???
Will anyone break a lancet for the 28's??? Will 27 owners share their opinions...???
Javier (by the way, I have a Typhoon...which, obviously, is the simplest and best boat Cape Dory ever built!!!!)
jamprlaw@yahoo.com
Will anyone break a lancet for the 28's??? Will 27 owners share their opinions...???
Javier (by the way, I have a Typhoon...which, obviously, is the simplest and best boat Cape Dory ever built!!!!)
jamprlaw@yahoo.com
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Dennis
Re: CD27 vs CD28
OK, as a 28 owner, I'll bite, I just took a look at the 27's on Yachtworld.com and I found:
-Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
-The 28 has full size berths without having to stick your feet in a hole.
-The bowsprit on the 28, where do you store the anchor on the 27?
-Is the there standing headroom in the 27 for someone over 6ft? there is in the 28.
-the 28 has an extra set of those really nice looking bronze ports
-sailing speed? if you want to sail fast, get a cat.
enjoy :^)
-Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
-The 28 has full size berths without having to stick your feet in a hole.
-The bowsprit on the 28, where do you store the anchor on the 27?
-Is the there standing headroom in the 27 for someone over 6ft? there is in the 28.
-the 28 has an extra set of those really nice looking bronze ports
-sailing speed? if you want to sail fast, get a cat.
enjoy :^)
javier wrote: I have owned neither, so I must yield to the advice of those who have. With the intention (honest) of opening up the query I will only add that I have done a little research and found that CD 27's (not CD 270's) have more beautiful lines that 28's. I have come across opinions that say that 27's are faster...???
Will anyone break a lancet for the 28's??? Will 27 owners share their opinions...???
Javier (by the way, I have a Typhoon...which, obviously, is the simplest and best boat Cape Dory ever built!!!!)
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Bill Goldsmith
Re: CD27 vs CD28
I am a CD27 owner, and I participated in some threads a while back trying to come up with a description of the similarities and differences. I have copied those messages below:
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· Posted by: Bill Goldsmith (goldy@bestweb.net) on 10/31/00 at 07:51
· In Reply to: CD 27 vs. 28 posted by Clay Stalker on 10/30/00 at 14:50
I have had a 27 for three seasons and can offer the following observations:
The 28 is larger inside, but not materially. By that I mean they are basically the same layout with opposing settees in the salon, a head on the port side just forward of the salon and a hanging locker opposing (some differences exist--I believe some 28s have a sink opposite in the locker area). My 27 has no sink in the head at all. The 28 has a pullout settee to sleep 3 in the salon (one double and a single) whereas the 27 does not. The headroom makes a difference as well. I am just shy of 6' (about 5' 11 1/2" and cannot stand in the middle of the main salon with boat shoes on in my 27 without cocking my head just a little. However, on my neighbor's 28 I can stand without that limitation.
Another interesting difference: On the 27 they snuck alot of little galley storage areas back underneath the bridge deck and cockpit. For me it's just a bit awkward to reach back there (but not for my wife who is just 5'.) On the 28 the galley is probably alot less awkward expecially for taller folks.
The cockpits are about the same with one major difference: On the 27 there is a lazarette hatch aft of the cockpit that reveals a huge locker. I can store my spare anchor and rode, extra dock lines, a manual bilge pump, and four 8 in dia. fenders (without deflating) in there and still get the cover closed. All without asking guests to stand up to get to the cockpit seat lockers. I really like that feature (the 28 does not have it). It also makes a really nice steering seat in calm weather when you don't need alot of leverage on the tiller.
I cannot comment on sailing characteristics as I have only visited my neighbor's 28 at the dock. However I am led to believe that they are very, very similar under sail with perhaps a slight edge in light air for the 27. However, the 28 has more sail area and a longer LWL so I have to believe that the 28 has the edge. This is an ongoing source of debate on this board.
Rigging-wise the only notable differences that come to mind are: The 28 forestay is attached to the bowsprit, secured by a bobstay, allowing for a bit more sail area forward of the mast. On the 27 the forestay is attached to the stemhead. Also on the 28 most were delivered with a club-footed jib boom to allow for easy tacking, but I believe many owners have removed this feature in favor of roller-furled genoa sails.
That's all I can think of for now--Bottom line is you can't go wrong with either model--just find one that suits your personal needs the best and go sailing!!
All the best
Bill Goldsmith
CD27 # 173 (1980)
Second Chance
Another difference: On the 28 there is a deck hatch in the main salon whereas on the 27 the only hatch is in the v-berth. I am not sure if there is much of a difference ventilation-wise because of all the opening ports on both models, but is worth a note.
Bill,
You did an OUTSTANDING comparison between the CD27 and the CD28.
John
CD28 #346
Intrepid
· Posted by: Carol Faber (fabers@traverse.com) on 11/01/00 at 09:36
· In Reply to: Re: CD 27 vs. 28 posted by Bill Goldsmith on 10/31/00 at 07:51
I want to add a couple of comments to Bill's very complete note. My husband and I sail a 1982 CD 28, spending almost a month each summer cruising/living aboard. Now that I've read the comments about the 27, I think we wouldn't trade, even if the 27 did prove to have a slight sailing edge, and here's why.
The opposing berths in the main salon are labled "CD 28/30" which I assume means the 27s are probably a bit shorter. My husband is 6'2" and we've found the V-berth is just a bit too cramped in the foot area for us to share, so we always pull out the double. In a 27, then, we'd have to sleep separately.
Having a sink in the head is nice. For instance, I can brush my teeth while my husband does the dishes. Our hanging locker is behind the head and has plenty of room for all our pants, shirts, jackets, etc. for a month, so the sink replacing the 27's locker space isn't a problem.
Our galley storage sounds very similar to the 27's. We, too, have bins under the bridge deck, but for me (I'm 5'7") that's not a problem.
Finally, I love our club jib. Every now and then my husband makes noises about switching to roller furling, but I remind him about possible jamming (which has happened to us on charter boats with RF). His reply is always that as long as I'm willing to go forward to make headsail changes, he's content to keep the club. The self-tacking capability is really wonderful.
I guess one thing to consider is what type of sailing you plan to do. The extra room below is great for cruising, but if you plan primarily to go out on day sails or weekends, then maybe you don't need so much space. You can probably get a nice 27 for less money than a 28.
Good luck!
Carol Faber
Evensong, CD 28 Hull #319
Grand Traverse Bay, MI
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· Posted by: Bill Goldsmith (goldy@bestweb.net) on 3/01/1999 at 19:41
· In Reply to: CD 27 or CD 28 posted by Scott Surprise on 3/01/1999 at 14:34
This comparison has been written about extensively on the board. I might suggest you search to read prior comments to get a fuller feeling about the two models. Some observations:
Some say a 27 is a big 25D and a 28 is a small 30. I'm not sure what that means, but there may be some subjective truth there.
Amenities are quite similar. Following are some differences: 27 has two fixed settees; 28 has one pullout to a "double." 27 gives you legroom to lie down on the port settee by tucking legs under the stove. It does work! 28 cockpit extends to the stern, while the 27 has an aft lazarette. This does make them look different. Headroom on the 27 is only an honest 5'11" while the 28 gives you more. Engine access is better on the 27 (I think) because the top step removes to give you some top access to the engine. I'm not as familiar with the 28 setup but I think it's more difficult to get access. Alot depends on the engine model. The 27 displaces 7500 while the 28 displaces 9000. That is a significant difference. 28 has club footed jib (unless rig has been changed) while the 27 has standard jid/headsail arrangement. Many 28s and 27s have been altered to a roller furling headsail setup. Hard to say one is *better*. They are both Cape Dorys and share a very similar feeling. Depends on your mix of needs and preferences.
goldy@bestweb.net
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· Posted by: Bill Goldsmith (goldy@bestweb.net) on 10/31/00 at 07:51
· In Reply to: CD 27 vs. 28 posted by Clay Stalker on 10/30/00 at 14:50
I have had a 27 for three seasons and can offer the following observations:
The 28 is larger inside, but not materially. By that I mean they are basically the same layout with opposing settees in the salon, a head on the port side just forward of the salon and a hanging locker opposing (some differences exist--I believe some 28s have a sink opposite in the locker area). My 27 has no sink in the head at all. The 28 has a pullout settee to sleep 3 in the salon (one double and a single) whereas the 27 does not. The headroom makes a difference as well. I am just shy of 6' (about 5' 11 1/2" and cannot stand in the middle of the main salon with boat shoes on in my 27 without cocking my head just a little. However, on my neighbor's 28 I can stand without that limitation.
Another interesting difference: On the 27 they snuck alot of little galley storage areas back underneath the bridge deck and cockpit. For me it's just a bit awkward to reach back there (but not for my wife who is just 5'.) On the 28 the galley is probably alot less awkward expecially for taller folks.
The cockpits are about the same with one major difference: On the 27 there is a lazarette hatch aft of the cockpit that reveals a huge locker. I can store my spare anchor and rode, extra dock lines, a manual bilge pump, and four 8 in dia. fenders (without deflating) in there and still get the cover closed. All without asking guests to stand up to get to the cockpit seat lockers. I really like that feature (the 28 does not have it). It also makes a really nice steering seat in calm weather when you don't need alot of leverage on the tiller.
I cannot comment on sailing characteristics as I have only visited my neighbor's 28 at the dock. However I am led to believe that they are very, very similar under sail with perhaps a slight edge in light air for the 27. However, the 28 has more sail area and a longer LWL so I have to believe that the 28 has the edge. This is an ongoing source of debate on this board.
Rigging-wise the only notable differences that come to mind are: The 28 forestay is attached to the bowsprit, secured by a bobstay, allowing for a bit more sail area forward of the mast. On the 27 the forestay is attached to the stemhead. Also on the 28 most were delivered with a club-footed jib boom to allow for easy tacking, but I believe many owners have removed this feature in favor of roller-furled genoa sails.
That's all I can think of for now--Bottom line is you can't go wrong with either model--just find one that suits your personal needs the best and go sailing!!
All the best
Bill Goldsmith
CD27 # 173 (1980)
Second Chance
Another difference: On the 28 there is a deck hatch in the main salon whereas on the 27 the only hatch is in the v-berth. I am not sure if there is much of a difference ventilation-wise because of all the opening ports on both models, but is worth a note.
· In Reply to: Re: CD 27 vs. 28 posted by Bill Goldsmith on 10/31/00 at 07:51Joshua Hyman wrote: I am strongly considering the purchase of a CD 27 or 28 and would like some objective opinions from any folks who would like to give them....I have heard that the 28 has a lot more room than the 27 but that the 27 sails considerably better...maybe because of 1500 lbs. less weight?? I have looked at 28s and liked them, but haven't yet looked at a 27.....but would like to. Any info provided on either will be appreciated....Thanks!
Bill,
You did an OUTSTANDING comparison between the CD27 and the CD28.
John
CD28 #346
Intrepid
· Posted by: Carol Faber (fabers@traverse.com) on 11/01/00 at 09:36
· In Reply to: Re: CD 27 vs. 28 posted by Bill Goldsmith on 10/31/00 at 07:51
I want to add a couple of comments to Bill's very complete note. My husband and I sail a 1982 CD 28, spending almost a month each summer cruising/living aboard. Now that I've read the comments about the 27, I think we wouldn't trade, even if the 27 did prove to have a slight sailing edge, and here's why.
The opposing berths in the main salon are labled "CD 28/30" which I assume means the 27s are probably a bit shorter. My husband is 6'2" and we've found the V-berth is just a bit too cramped in the foot area for us to share, so we always pull out the double. In a 27, then, we'd have to sleep separately.
Having a sink in the head is nice. For instance, I can brush my teeth while my husband does the dishes. Our hanging locker is behind the head and has plenty of room for all our pants, shirts, jackets, etc. for a month, so the sink replacing the 27's locker space isn't a problem.
Our galley storage sounds very similar to the 27's. We, too, have bins under the bridge deck, but for me (I'm 5'7") that's not a problem.
Finally, I love our club jib. Every now and then my husband makes noises about switching to roller furling, but I remind him about possible jamming (which has happened to us on charter boats with RF). His reply is always that as long as I'm willing to go forward to make headsail changes, he's content to keep the club. The self-tacking capability is really wonderful.
I guess one thing to consider is what type of sailing you plan to do. The extra room below is great for cruising, but if you plan primarily to go out on day sails or weekends, then maybe you don't need so much space. You can probably get a nice 27 for less money than a 28.
Good luck!
Carol Faber
Evensong, CD 28 Hull #319
Grand Traverse Bay, MI
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· Posted by: Bill Goldsmith (goldy@bestweb.net) on 3/01/1999 at 19:41
· In Reply to: CD 27 or CD 28 posted by Scott Surprise on 3/01/1999 at 14:34
This comparison has been written about extensively on the board. I might suggest you search to read prior comments to get a fuller feeling about the two models. Some observations:
Some say a 27 is a big 25D and a 28 is a small 30. I'm not sure what that means, but there may be some subjective truth there.
Amenities are quite similar. Following are some differences: 27 has two fixed settees; 28 has one pullout to a "double." 27 gives you legroom to lie down on the port settee by tucking legs under the stove. It does work! 28 cockpit extends to the stern, while the 27 has an aft lazarette. This does make them look different. Headroom on the 27 is only an honest 5'11" while the 28 gives you more. Engine access is better on the 27 (I think) because the top step removes to give you some top access to the engine. I'm not as familiar with the 28 setup but I think it's more difficult to get access. Alot depends on the engine model. The 27 displaces 7500 while the 28 displaces 9000. That is a significant difference. 28 has club footed jib (unless rig has been changed) while the 27 has standard jid/headsail arrangement. Many 28s and 27s have been altered to a roller furling headsail setup. Hard to say one is *better*. They are both Cape Dorys and share a very similar feeling. Depends on your mix of needs and preferences.
Joshua Hyman wrote: What are the plus and minus of each boat. Which would be the better boat. I have cocerns over the engine in the CD 28
I am in the market for a cruising sailboat for use with my family (wife and 3 children younger than 6yrs old). We live in Northern NJ and would be keeping it on the Hudson River. We'd like to daysail and have the option for overnight trips. Any thoughts?
goldy@bestweb.net
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Javier
CD27 vs CD28 - Thanks
Bill and Dennis have covered the issue raised with sufficient depth as to allow a prospective owner to decide what she/he desires. I am looking for a CD 27 .. well, now let's say I have been looking... and with the information shared here I now see the 28 as another seaworthy small cruiser within a moderate $$$ range. Thanks to Joshua for the initial query and to Bill, Dennis, and all others who have shared their knowledge about these great boats -- now and previously.
javier
jamprlaw@yahoo.com
javier
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