My CD30 just never want's to rest, it seems. When there's a good breeze blowing, with the hook down (cqr 25), she pulls as far as she can, then falls off and pulls to the other side. The cqr is a great anchor, but in the black muck we have for a bottom in many places, here in the Northeast, holding can be dicey, sometimes. Lowering the dodger helps somewhat, but doesn't curtail this action.
Has anyone ever tried a riding sail, hung on the backstay? The slot between the main boom topping lift and the backstay is rather narrow, but that could be modified, easily.
Am I the only one who has this problem?
dorycpt@yahoo.com
Sailing at anchor
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Tom
Re: Sailing at anchor
There was a discussion of this on the BB a year or two ago. You might find it in the archives. Basically you can hank a riding sail onto the back stay above the main boom when the main is furled and you're at anchor - thus the narrow slot doesn't affect you. Use the main halyard to hoist it and run the sheets forward and down to the winches on the mast. If you carry a storm trysail you might try that because they are cut flatter than a normal sail. All sloops and cutters tend to sail the anchor because of the windage forward. Sometimes bridling the anchor rode helps too.
TomCambria@mindspring.com
Lee wrote: My CD30 just never want's to rest, it seems. When there's a good breeze blowing, with the hook down (cqr 25), she pulls as far as she can, then falls off and pulls to the other side. The cqr is a great anchor, but in the black muck we have for a bottom in many places, here in the Northeast, holding can be dicey, sometimes. Lowering the dodger helps somewhat, but doesn't curtail this action.
Has anyone ever tried a riding sail, hung on the backstay? The slot between the main boom topping lift and the backstay is rather narrow, but that could be modified, easily.
Am I the only one who has this problem?
TomCambria@mindspring.com
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Richard Hill
Re: Sailing at anchor
I had the same problem on a recent trip. I was anchored near Jupiter Inlet, FL and spent a really uncomfortable night. The wind and current were both strong, and opposing each other, and the boat fought between them all night. It couldn't seem to decide whether to lie to the current or the wind. I finally threw a 5 lb Danforth off the stern, and it bit well, holding the boat sideways to both wind and current. I was then able to sleep, but wasn't really comfortable with the situation. A large fin keel sloop in the anchorage didn't seem to move all night (which really ticked me off!), and they had an all chain anchor rode. I don't know if the all chain rode kept them from slewing around, or if it was their underwater configuration. Might be worth asking around to see if anyone with an all chain rode and a full keel has had the problem. The experience did reinforce my love for that little Danforth 5H, however. Great little lunch hook!Lee wrote: My CD30 just never want's to rest, it seems. When there's a good breeze blowing, with the hook down (cqr 25), she pulls as far as she can, then falls off and pulls to the other side. The cqr is a great anchor, but in the black muck we have for a bottom in many places, here in the Northeast, holding can be dicey, sometimes. Lowering the dodger helps somewhat, but doesn't curtail this action.
Has anyone ever tried a riding sail, hung on the backstay? The slot between the main boom topping lift and the backstay is rather narrow, but that could be modified, easily.
Am I the only one who has this problem?
captrahill@comcast.net
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Murray Glue
Re: Sailing at anchor
I used a rope and chain combined on my previous boats and had the same problem. Dayspring has a 45lb CQR with 60 metres of chain in the locker and she sits tight in most situations. The momentum is not built up as much as with lighter tackle and by the time she wants to wander, the gust has gone. I know its harder work to recover but the security and the good sleep make it all worth while.
Murray Glue
CD30 Dayspring
Nelson
New Zealand
murray@offshoretechnical.com
Murray Glue
CD30 Dayspring
Nelson
New Zealand
murray@offshoretechnical.com
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Dave D
Re: Sailing at anchor
If I am correct the anchor roller is off to the starboard side of the yacht. So, when the wind blows she starts tracking all over the place. So, what I have seen people do is take a small line and tie it off to the main anchor line about a foot or foot and a half down the line. Make sure that that line will not move on the anchor line. Then take that line over to the port side and cleat it off so that you can center the anchor line of pull on the center line of the boat. I hope and think this is the cheepest way out of this problem for you. Replacing all the stuff to chain could get a little costly.
Dave D.
CD25 R&R
Gloucester, Ma
ddsailor25@ureach.com
Dave D.
CD25 R&R
Gloucester, Ma
Lee wrote: My CD30 just never want's to rest, it seems. When there's a good breeze blowing, with the hook down (cqr 25), she pulls as far as she can, then falls off and pulls to the other side. The cqr is a great anchor, but in the black muck we have for a bottom in many places, here in the Northeast, holding can be dicey, sometimes. Lowering the dodger helps somewhat, but doesn't curtail this action.
Has anyone ever tried a riding sail, hung on the backstay? The slot between the main boom topping lift and the backstay is rather narrow, but that could be modified, easily.
Am I the only one who has this problem?
ddsailor25@ureach.com
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Al Smith
Re: Sailing at anchor
We had this problem on our CD 33 and added a riding sail with good results. She is hoisted up on the backstay using the main halyard and secured forward at the mast. It's not perfect, but it sure helps limit her swinging. We got out kit from Sailrite, and my wife finished it off.
Al
saylr@adelphia.net
Al
saylr@adelphia.net
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Randy Bates
Re: Sailing at anchor
A riding sail helps quite a bit, but if you have wind AND current opposing, use two anchors, Bahamas style. One up wind and the other up current, both off the bow. Two anchors off the bow set at least 90 degrees apart will stop almost all swinging.Al Smith wrote: We had this problem on our CD 33 and added a riding sail with good results. She is hoisted up on the backstay using the main halyard and secured forward at the mast. It's not perfect, but it sure helps limit her swinging. We got out kit from Sailrite, and my wife finished it off.
Al
randy.bates@baesystems.com
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Larry DeMers
Re: Sailing at anchor
Lee and all,
We have used a riding sail for every anchoring session over the past 5 years now. I have a gorgeous picture from last weekend that I can send of usat anchor with the sail set..shoot me your e-mail if interested.
We bought this sail from West marine, although you can buy a kit from Sail rite or make your own from old sail material, as another fellow is doing.
It works..pure and simple, it works. It will hold your nose to the wind within 10-15 deg. in lite winds, and 5-10 deg. in high winds..where it shines! We have weathered 55 kt storm winds over a 9 hour period with this sail up, and it was like a huge hand on deck..pushing the stern around into the changing gusts..quite aggressively.
What we gained by using this sail will be illustrated by an experience we had in 1993, 2 years after acquiring DeLaMer. We anchored inthe lee of an island, ducking a thunderstorm, which dissipated around 9pm. Rollers started coming in from the NE, which was the warning we missed and almost lost our boat because of. The rollers were caused by a Northeaster, which on Superior is a bastard of a storm, in that it has 330 miles of fetch to grow and strectch out in. The waves in 35 kts which we were in, grew to 15 ft. in the anchorage..and we were on a lee shore, trapped because we could not hear the other screaming much less talking about direction of the rode
relative to the boat. So we sat up a long night until 4am, when we could see well enough to tell where the anchor was, where shore was, and we were so tired that the fear that froze us was gone.
The boat sailed from 90 deg. off the right of the anchor, then rolled back and forth thru 40 deg. all the way over to the left side of the anchor, where it repeated..all night long.
This motion had to be eliminated I thought. So along with an awareness that our anchoring technique needed to be refined to the point where no words were needed, and we could work with flashlights alone, or vibrations on the lifeline as a telegraph of what was needed back and forth between Jan and I. ie: One large thump on the lifeline was slow engine, two was speed up engine...etc. ..and that our sensitivity to the Northeastern winds was woefully inadequate, we set about to make this experience never happen again. In 18,000 miles, it has not.
That riding sail will hold the bow into the wind, and stop the wandering. An Anchor rider will also do this to s smaller extent, as well as provide a catenary weight that will take the strain off the anchor to some extent. Together we use these two tools in a variety of conditions, and have No problems anchoring in lousy situations, that get worse (as can happen if you are out there enough).
Holler if a pix of us at anchor under riding sail would be of interest.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior
demers@sgi.com
We have used a riding sail for every anchoring session over the past 5 years now. I have a gorgeous picture from last weekend that I can send of usat anchor with the sail set..shoot me your e-mail if interested.
We bought this sail from West marine, although you can buy a kit from Sail rite or make your own from old sail material, as another fellow is doing.
It works..pure and simple, it works. It will hold your nose to the wind within 10-15 deg. in lite winds, and 5-10 deg. in high winds..where it shines! We have weathered 55 kt storm winds over a 9 hour period with this sail up, and it was like a huge hand on deck..pushing the stern around into the changing gusts..quite aggressively.
What we gained by using this sail will be illustrated by an experience we had in 1993, 2 years after acquiring DeLaMer. We anchored inthe lee of an island, ducking a thunderstorm, which dissipated around 9pm. Rollers started coming in from the NE, which was the warning we missed and almost lost our boat because of. The rollers were caused by a Northeaster, which on Superior is a bastard of a storm, in that it has 330 miles of fetch to grow and strectch out in. The waves in 35 kts which we were in, grew to 15 ft. in the anchorage..and we were on a lee shore, trapped because we could not hear the other screaming much less talking about direction of the rode
relative to the boat. So we sat up a long night until 4am, when we could see well enough to tell where the anchor was, where shore was, and we were so tired that the fear that froze us was gone.
The boat sailed from 90 deg. off the right of the anchor, then rolled back and forth thru 40 deg. all the way over to the left side of the anchor, where it repeated..all night long.
This motion had to be eliminated I thought. So along with an awareness that our anchoring technique needed to be refined to the point where no words were needed, and we could work with flashlights alone, or vibrations on the lifeline as a telegraph of what was needed back and forth between Jan and I. ie: One large thump on the lifeline was slow engine, two was speed up engine...etc. ..and that our sensitivity to the Northeastern winds was woefully inadequate, we set about to make this experience never happen again. In 18,000 miles, it has not.
That riding sail will hold the bow into the wind, and stop the wandering. An Anchor rider will also do this to s smaller extent, as well as provide a catenary weight that will take the strain off the anchor to some extent. Together we use these two tools in a variety of conditions, and have No problems anchoring in lousy situations, that get worse (as can happen if you are out there enough).
Holler if a pix of us at anchor under riding sail would be of interest.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior
Lee wrote: My CD30 just never want's to rest, it seems. When there's a good breeze blowing, with the hook down (cqr 25), she pulls as far as she can, then falls off and pulls to the other side. The cqr is a great anchor, but in the black muck we have for a bottom in many places, here in the Northeast, holding can be dicey, sometimes. Lowering the dodger helps somewhat, but doesn't curtail this action.
Has anyone ever tried a riding sail, hung on the backstay? The slot between the main boom topping lift and the backstay is rather narrow, but that could be modified, easily.
Am I the only one who has this problem?
demers@sgi.com