Greetings benevolent CD owners,
I am in the process of getting new line and chain for CD 33 Christine Lynn and was wondering what different anchor systems people have on their 33. Ours is a sloop with one anchor roller that does not seem to have been anchored much. There is no skid plate for the shank to rest on and no way of captivating the line on the roller while anchored.
What are some systems you have used that work? Thanks in advance, Carmela and I plan to go to Isle Royale this month and I look forward to playing with the anchors instead of thinking about them!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
menogyn@YMCAmpls.org
CD 33 Anchor System
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Larry M
Re: CD 33 Anchor System
Paul,
Our 33 has a custom bow roller with a welded bail over the top. We use a 35 CQR with the shank resting on a teak piece that is screwed on thru the cover to the anchor locker. Just aft of the teak piece I installed an anchor shaft bracket (spartan marine part number B219)that is bolted on the cover and thru backed with teak. The bracket by itself will keep the shaft off the deck is placed such that the pin goes thru the chain tightly just aft of the anchor shackle. The bracket was stock I think on some 30's I have seen and is a good way to secure the anchor at sea.
For anchoring we use a chain hook and 30 feet of line as the primary tie off. We have 100 feet of chain and 200 feet of rode but have only once had to go past the 100 feet of chain.
When you mention you have no way of captivating the rode on the roller I assume you have no bail. I am not sure if this matters as the weight of the rode/chain should keep on the roller. Maybe someone else has experience with this.
Larry M
Our 33 has a custom bow roller with a welded bail over the top. We use a 35 CQR with the shank resting on a teak piece that is screwed on thru the cover to the anchor locker. Just aft of the teak piece I installed an anchor shaft bracket (spartan marine part number B219)that is bolted on the cover and thru backed with teak. The bracket by itself will keep the shaft off the deck is placed such that the pin goes thru the chain tightly just aft of the anchor shackle. The bracket was stock I think on some 30's I have seen and is a good way to secure the anchor at sea.
For anchoring we use a chain hook and 30 feet of line as the primary tie off. We have 100 feet of chain and 200 feet of rode but have only once had to go past the 100 feet of chain.
When you mention you have no way of captivating the rode on the roller I assume you have no bail. I am not sure if this matters as the weight of the rode/chain should keep on the roller. Maybe someone else has experience with this.
Larry M
Paul D. wrote: Greetings benevolent CD owners,
I am in the process of getting new line and chain for CD 33 Christine Lynn and was wondering what different anchor systems people have on their 33. Ours is a sloop with one anchor roller that does not seem to have been anchored much. There is no skid plate for the shank to rest on and no way of captivating the line on the roller while anchored.
What are some systems you have used that work? Thanks in advance, Carmela and I plan to go to Isle Royale this month and I look forward to playing with the anchors instead of thinking about them!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
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Ron
Re: CD 33 Anchor System
I have on my CD 330 (ANDIAMO) a 35lb CQR with 40 ft. chain and 250 ft rode. Along with a 28 lb Bruce 20 ft chain and 200 ft rode. I mounted an additional roller (Sparten) on the bow. I also carry a 16 lb Fortres on the stern with 20 ft chain and 150 rode. I often use a kettle to assist the primary anchor. My boat came with a 35 CQR and 300 ft of chain, but I switched this out due to weight. I also have a manual windlass, one speed double action 5/16 BBB chain mounted.Paul D. wrote: Paul,
I sail in the Puget Sound area and I think my rig is pretty consistant with what I see I my marina. I belive you need to be consevative and tune your rig for the conditions most likely you expect to encounter.Always error on the safe side.
Good sailing.
ronald.legan@ssa.gov
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will parker
Re: CD 33 Anchor System
Larry,Larry M wrote: When you mention you have no way of captivating the rode on the roller I assume you have no bail. I am not sure if this matters as the weight of the rode/chain should keep on the roller. Maybe someone else has experience with this.
Larry M
I will guarantee that the "weight of the rode/chain" will NOT keep the anchor on the roller. Having recently completed a round trip cruise to Bermuda,I can speak with some authority on this subject. You must have a positive restraint on the anchor while at sea, e.g. a bail and some sort of hook for the chain. The one on a CD 30 is just fine. You will need the bail both at sea and on the hook. When you are lying at anchor and the wind and sea pipes up, you are likely to lose your anchor off the roller if you don't have a bail. Whatever you do, do not depend on the weight of the chain, etc, to keep the anchor on the roller.
Will
Jambalaya
Larry M wrote:Paul D. wrote: Greetings benevolent CD owners,
I am in the process of getting new line and chain for CD 33 Christine Lynn and was wondering what different anchor systems people have on their 33. Ours is a sloop with one anchor roller that does not seem to have been anchored much. There is no skid plate for the shank to rest on and no way of captivating the line on the roller while anchored.
What are some systems you have used that work? Thanks in advance, Carmela and I plan to go to Isle Royale this month and I look forward to playing with the anchors instead of thinking about them!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
whildenp@earthlink.net
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mike
Re: CD 33 Anchor System
in response to your question, i have a 35#cqr and 100' of chain, backed up by a second Delta anchor that I carry strapped above the cqr. it has 250' of rode. Only once, in Highlands, NJ did I need to put out more rode.
i normally secure my anchor on to the roller with a quick whipping of 1/4" line. this has worked well, even in an Exuma storm with waves to 25'.
i did however buy a locking tiedown, sold by west marine. it has a hook one end and cantilevers into a locking position. This holds the anchor on the roller during most cruising (I've put over 27,000nm on LaVida in the past six years).
in addition to the two bow anchors I also carry a 25# danforth on the stern with 250' of rode and down below I have a 75# breakdown fisherman with another 200' of rode.
guess you can tell I like carrying around all those anchors. thankfully i've never (knocking on wood) used the fisherman!
fair winds,
mike
lavida@seascan.com
i normally secure my anchor on to the roller with a quick whipping of 1/4" line. this has worked well, even in an Exuma storm with waves to 25'.
i did however buy a locking tiedown, sold by west marine. it has a hook one end and cantilevers into a locking position. This holds the anchor on the roller during most cruising (I've put over 27,000nm on LaVida in the past six years).
in addition to the two bow anchors I also carry a 25# danforth on the stern with 250' of rode and down below I have a 75# breakdown fisherman with another 200' of rode.
guess you can tell I like carrying around all those anchors. thankfully i've never (knocking on wood) used the fisherman!
fair winds,
mike
Paul D. wrote: Greetings benevolent CD owners,
I am in the process of getting new line and chain for CD 33 Christine Lynn and was wondering what different anchor systems people have on their 33. Ours is a sloop with one anchor roller that does not seem to have been anchored much. There is no skid plate for the shank to rest on and no way of captivating the line on the roller while anchored.
What are some systems you have used that work? Thanks in advance, Carmela and I plan to go to Isle Royale this month and I look forward to playing with the anchors instead of thinking about them!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
lavida@seascan.com
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mike
Re: CD 33 Anchor System
in response to your question, i have a 35#cqr and 100' of chain, backed up by a second Delta anchor that I carry strapped above the cqr. it has 250' of rode. Only once, in Highlands, NJ did I need to put out more rode.
i normally secure my anchor on to the roller with a quick whipping of 1/4" line. this has worked well, even in an Exuma storm with waves to 25'.
i did however buy a locking tiedown, sold by west marine. it has a hook one end and cantilevers into a locking position. This holds the anchor on the roller during most cruising (I've put over 27,000nm on LaVida in the past six years).
in addition to the two bow anchors I also carry a 25# danforth on the stern with 250' of rode and down below I have a 75# breakdown fisherman with another 200' of rode.
guess you can tell I like carrying around all those anchors. thankfully i've never (knocking on wood) used the fisherman!
fair winds,
mike
lavida@seascan.com
i normally secure my anchor on to the roller with a quick whipping of 1/4" line. this has worked well, even in an Exuma storm with waves to 25'.
i did however buy a locking tiedown, sold by west marine. it has a hook one end and cantilevers into a locking position. This holds the anchor on the roller during most cruising (I've put over 27,000nm on LaVida in the past six years).
in addition to the two bow anchors I also carry a 25# danforth on the stern with 250' of rode and down below I have a 75# breakdown fisherman with another 200' of rode.
guess you can tell I like carrying around all those anchors. thankfully i've never (knocking on wood) used the fisherman!
fair winds,
mike
Paul D. wrote: Greetings benevolent CD owners,
I am in the process of getting new line and chain for CD 33 Christine Lynn and was wondering what different anchor systems people have on their 33. Ours is a sloop with one anchor roller that does not seem to have been anchored much. There is no skid plate for the shank to rest on and no way of captivating the line on the roller while anchored.
What are some systems you have used that work? Thanks in advance, Carmela and I plan to go to Isle Royale this month and I look forward to playing with the anchors instead of thinking about them!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
lavida@seascan.com
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Larry M
Re: CD 33 Anchor System
Will,
I was writing in reference to the anchor when deployed and whether the weight of the chain will keep it (ie the rode) on the roller. I agree with you that one needs to keep the anchor secure when it not being used.
Larry
I was writing in reference to the anchor when deployed and whether the weight of the chain will keep it (ie the rode) on the roller. I agree with you that one needs to keep the anchor secure when it not being used.
Larry
will parker wrote:Larry,Larry M wrote: When you mention you have no way of captivating the rode on the roller I assume you have no bail. I am not sure if this matters as the weight of the rode/chain should keep on the roller. Maybe someone else has experience with this.
Larry M
I will guarantee that the "weight of the rode/chain" will NOT keep the anchor on the roller. Having recently completed a round trip cruise to Bermuda,I can speak with some authority on this subject. You must have a positive restraint on the anchor while at sea, e.g. a bail and some sort of hook for the chain. The one on a CD 30 is just fine. You will need the bail both at sea and on the hook. When you are lying at anchor and the wind and sea pipes up, you are likely to lose your anchor off the roller if you don't have a bail. Whatever you do, do not depend on the weight of the chain, etc, to keep the anchor on the roller.
Will
Jambalaya
Larry M wrote:Paul D. wrote: Greetings benevolent CD owners,
I am in the process of getting new line and chain for CD 33 Christine Lynn and was wondering what different anchor systems people have on their 33. Ours is a sloop with one anchor roller that does not seem to have been anchored much. There is no skid plate for the shank to rest on and no way of captivating the line on the roller while anchored.
What are some systems you have used that work? Thanks in advance, Carmela and I plan to go to Isle Royale this month and I look forward to playing with the anchors instead of thinking about them!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
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Larry DeMers
Re: CD 33 Anchor System -Bowsprit NOT intended for anchoring
Howdy Paul,
We'll be sailing to Isle Royale next week..for the week. Leaving this Saturday early for the Keewenaw Peninsula, then Monday for Chippewa Harbor on I.R. south shore (10 hours sail). Maybe we can link up? Our plan is very fluid right now, as the weather needs to coopperate a bit to give us a non-beating wind for that portion of the crossing since the passaage is so long. Should it all come together, we will work around the island couterclockwise over three days, leaving for Grand Marais on Thursday (Sept.5th), then home on Friday or Saturday. Will have only one day for weather built in since the vacation is so short. Let me know if these times will coincide with your trip and you would like to meet up for a bit.
I would recommend that you NOT anchor off the bowsprit, It is not reinforced to do this with. It is meant to stow and retrieve the anchor, but not to hang to the hook from, because it is not reinforced for sideways sheering motions. For this kind of loading you need to have whisker stays going back from the sprit to the hull on either side. Unfortunately, this is where our fine bows get us. The bow is too fine, such that the whisker stay would have very little angular advantage. If the hull were wider at the bow, the whiskers would go outward further, preventing the sideways sheering motion better. As it is, anchoring off the bowpsprit is not recommended and could result in the failure of that sprit.
Use the locking gates on either side to lead your snubber through,which will then take the loading..but go ahead and leave the chain on the sprit as long as it is unloaded by the snubber line.
If the winds pipe up..you really don't want the side loading that those situations bring up, so the chain will have to go through the side locking gates also then. Not a great solution, but unless you can fit and successfully tension up a set of babystays to the bowsprit, it is the only choice.
We use 30ft. of chain and then 250ft. of a lower stretch double weave anchor rode that we like a lot. I would use a three-strand rode however if replacing this rode. I am not tempted to go all chain yet..as there is no need on Superior for this kind of protection. The anchorages are usually fairly protected, there is no coral to worry about chafing, and rocks are unusual..we mostly have sand and mud here.
Now on Isle Royale and the Canadian Northeast where you want to get to (Thompson Island, Spar Island, Rossport etc), the anchorages are all very secure spots, but some do require a bit of originality in anchoring well. For this reason I also have a selection of chain pieces to go around trees, or rocks on shore. I carry 1 -12ft. piece, 2-3 ft. pieces, and all of the gear to combine any or all together or to your anchor rode. The reason is that some hurricane holes are big enough for 2 boats..literally. You set out a bow anchor and set it, then run a long line to shore and around a rock or tree (with your chain help there will be no abrasion) and tie off on the stern. This is very common up there.
If you use a combination rode (chain and three strand), then also make up an anchor rider. This is a hardware store 25lb mushroom anchor and two locking caribbiners..one attaches the mushroom anchor to it's rode, while the other attaches the mushroom anchor to the main anchor rode which it rides down to the sea bottom on about 50-75ft. of it's own rode. This artificially increase the catenary angle when the wind is piping up and trying to yank the anchor out of the bottom. In normal conditions, your boat swings around the mushroom anchor, rather than the ships anchor...a much smalller circumference.
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Sailing Lake Superior
demers@sgi.com
We'll be sailing to Isle Royale next week..for the week. Leaving this Saturday early for the Keewenaw Peninsula, then Monday for Chippewa Harbor on I.R. south shore (10 hours sail). Maybe we can link up? Our plan is very fluid right now, as the weather needs to coopperate a bit to give us a non-beating wind for that portion of the crossing since the passaage is so long. Should it all come together, we will work around the island couterclockwise over three days, leaving for Grand Marais on Thursday (Sept.5th), then home on Friday or Saturday. Will have only one day for weather built in since the vacation is so short. Let me know if these times will coincide with your trip and you would like to meet up for a bit.
I would recommend that you NOT anchor off the bowsprit, It is not reinforced to do this with. It is meant to stow and retrieve the anchor, but not to hang to the hook from, because it is not reinforced for sideways sheering motions. For this kind of loading you need to have whisker stays going back from the sprit to the hull on either side. Unfortunately, this is where our fine bows get us. The bow is too fine, such that the whisker stay would have very little angular advantage. If the hull were wider at the bow, the whiskers would go outward further, preventing the sideways sheering motion better. As it is, anchoring off the bowpsprit is not recommended and could result in the failure of that sprit.
Use the locking gates on either side to lead your snubber through,which will then take the loading..but go ahead and leave the chain on the sprit as long as it is unloaded by the snubber line.
If the winds pipe up..you really don't want the side loading that those situations bring up, so the chain will have to go through the side locking gates also then. Not a great solution, but unless you can fit and successfully tension up a set of babystays to the bowsprit, it is the only choice.
We use 30ft. of chain and then 250ft. of a lower stretch double weave anchor rode that we like a lot. I would use a three-strand rode however if replacing this rode. I am not tempted to go all chain yet..as there is no need on Superior for this kind of protection. The anchorages are usually fairly protected, there is no coral to worry about chafing, and rocks are unusual..we mostly have sand and mud here.
Now on Isle Royale and the Canadian Northeast where you want to get to (Thompson Island, Spar Island, Rossport etc), the anchorages are all very secure spots, but some do require a bit of originality in anchoring well. For this reason I also have a selection of chain pieces to go around trees, or rocks on shore. I carry 1 -12ft. piece, 2-3 ft. pieces, and all of the gear to combine any or all together or to your anchor rode. The reason is that some hurricane holes are big enough for 2 boats..literally. You set out a bow anchor and set it, then run a long line to shore and around a rock or tree (with your chain help there will be no abrasion) and tie off on the stern. This is very common up there.
If you use a combination rode (chain and three strand), then also make up an anchor rider. This is a hardware store 25lb mushroom anchor and two locking caribbiners..one attaches the mushroom anchor to it's rode, while the other attaches the mushroom anchor to the main anchor rode which it rides down to the sea bottom on about 50-75ft. of it's own rode. This artificially increase the catenary angle when the wind is piping up and trying to yank the anchor out of the bottom. In normal conditions, your boat swings around the mushroom anchor, rather than the ships anchor...a much smalller circumference.
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Sailing Lake Superior
Paul D. wrote: Greetings benevolent CD owners,
I am in the process of getting new line and chain for CD 33 Christine Lynn and was wondering what different anchor systems people have on their 33. Ours is a sloop with one anchor roller that does not seem to have been anchored much. There is no skid plate for the shank to rest on and no way of captivating the line on the roller while anchored.
What are some systems you have used that work? Thanks in advance, Carmela and I plan to go to Isle Royale this month and I look forward to playing with the anchors instead of thinking about them!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
demers@sgi.com
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Larry M
Re: CD 33 Anchor System -Bowsprit NOT intended for anchoring
Larry,
Good advice but the 33 does not have a bowsprit.
Larry M
Good advice but the 33 does not have a bowsprit.
Larry M
Larry DeMers wrote: Howdy Paul,
We'll be sailing to Isle Royale next week..for the week. Leaving this Saturday early for the Keewenaw Peninsula, then Monday for Chippewa Harbor on I.R. south shore (10 hours sail). Maybe we can link up? Our plan is very fluid right now, as the weather needs to coopperate a bit to give us a non-beating wind for that portion of the crossing since the passaage is so long. Should it all come together, we will work around the island couterclockwise over three days, leaving for Grand Marais on Thursday (Sept.5th), then home on Friday or Saturday. Will have only one day for weather built in since the vacation is so short. Let me know if these times will coincide with your trip and you would like to meet up for a bit.
I would recommend that you NOT anchor off the bowsprit, It is not reinforced to do this with. It is meant to stow and retrieve the anchor, but not to hang to the hook from, because it is not reinforced for sideways sheering motions. For this kind of loading you need to have whisker stays going back from the sprit to the hull on either side. Unfortunately, this is where our fine bows get us. The bow is too fine, such that the whisker stay would have very little angular advantage. If the hull were wider at the bow, the whiskers would go outward further, preventing the sideways sheering motion better. As it is, anchoring off the bowpsprit is not recommended and could result in the failure of that sprit.
Use the locking gates on either side to lead your snubber through,which will then take the loading..but go ahead and leave the chain on the sprit as long as it is unloaded by the snubber line.
If the winds pipe up..you really don't want the side loading that those situations bring up, so the chain will have to go through the side locking gates also then. Not a great solution, but unless you can fit and successfully tension up a set of babystays to the bowsprit, it is the only choice.
We use 30ft. of chain and then 250ft. of a lower stretch double weave anchor rode that we like a lot. I would use a three-strand rode however if replacing this rode. I am not tempted to go all chain yet..as there is no need on Superior for this kind of protection. The anchorages are usually fairly protected, there is no coral to worry about chafing, and rocks are unusual..we mostly have sand and mud here.
Now on Isle Royale and the Canadian Northeast where you want to get to (Thompson Island, Spar Island, Rossport etc), the anchorages are all very secure spots, but some do require a bit of originality in anchoring well. For this reason I also have a selection of chain pieces to go around trees, or rocks on shore. I carry 1 -12ft. piece, 2-3 ft. pieces, and all of the gear to combine any or all together or to your anchor rode. The reason is that some hurricane holes are big enough for 2 boats..literally. You set out a bow anchor and set it, then run a long line to shore and around a rock or tree (with your chain help there will be no abrasion) and tie off on the stern. This is very common up there.
If you use a combination rode (chain and three strand), then also make up an anchor rider. This is a hardware store 25lb mushroom anchor and two locking caribbiners..one attaches the mushroom anchor to it's rode, while the other attaches the mushroom anchor to the main anchor rode which it rides down to the sea bottom on about 50-75ft. of it's own rode. This artificially increase the catenary angle when the wind is piping up and trying to yank the anchor out of the bottom. In normal conditions, your boat swings around the mushroom anchor, rather than the ships anchor...a much smalller circumference.
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Sailing Lake Superior
Paul D. wrote: Greetings benevolent CD owners,
I am in the process of getting new line and chain for CD 33 Christine Lynn and was wondering what different anchor systems people have on their 33. Ours is a sloop with one anchor roller that does not seem to have been anchored much. There is no skid plate for the shank to rest on and no way of captivating the line on the roller while anchored.
What are some systems you have used that work? Thanks in advance, Carmela and I plan to go to Isle Royale this month and I look forward to playing with the anchors instead of thinking about them!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
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Larry DeMers
Re: CD 33 Anchor System -Bowsprit NOT intended for anchoring
Just what a guy wants to hear..heh ;^) ok, so nevermind..
Talk about missing the mark....heheh
Larry
demers@sgi.com
Talk about missing the mark....heheh
Larry
Larry M wrote: Larry,
Good advice but the 33 does not have a bowsprit.
Larry M
Larry DeMers wrote: Howdy Paul,
We'll be sailing to Isle Royale next week..for the week. Leaving this Saturday early for the Keewenaw Peninsula, then Monday for Chippewa Harbor on I.R. south shore (10 hours sail). Maybe we can link up? Our plan is very fluid right now, as the weather needs to coopperate a bit to give us a non-beating wind for that portion of the crossing since the passaage is so long. Should it all come together, we will work around the island couterclockwise over three days, leaving for Grand Marais on Thursday (Sept.5th), then home on Friday or Saturday. Will have only one day for weather built in since the vacation is so short. Let me know if these times will coincide with your trip and you would like to meet up for a bit.
I would recommend that you NOT anchor off the bowsprit, It is not reinforced to do this with. It is meant to stow and retrieve the anchor, but not to hang to the hook from, because it is not reinforced for sideways sheering motions. For this kind of loading you need to have whisker stays going back from the sprit to the hull on either side. Unfortunately, this is where our fine bows get us. The bow is too fine, such that the whisker stay would have very little angular advantage. If the hull were wider at the bow, the whiskers would go outward further, preventing the sideways sheering motion better. As it is, anchoring off the bowpsprit is not recommended and could result in the failure of that sprit.
Use the locking gates on either side to lead your snubber through,which will then take the loading..but go ahead and leave the chain on the sprit as long as it is unloaded by the snubber line.
If the winds pipe up..you really don't want the side loading that those situations bring up, so the chain will have to go through the side locking gates also then. Not a great solution, but unless you can fit and successfully tension up a set of babystays to the bowsprit, it is the only choice.
We use 30ft. of chain and then 250ft. of a lower stretch double weave anchor rode that we like a lot. I would use a three-strand rode however if replacing this rode. I am not tempted to go all chain yet..as there is no need on Superior for this kind of protection. The anchorages are usually fairly protected, there is no coral to worry about chafing, and rocks are unusual..we mostly have sand and mud here.
Now on Isle Royale and the Canadian Northeast where you want to get to (Thompson Island, Spar Island, Rossport etc), the anchorages are all very secure spots, but some do require a bit of originality in anchoring well. For this reason I also have a selection of chain pieces to go around trees, or rocks on shore. I carry 1 -12ft. piece, 2-3 ft. pieces, and all of the gear to combine any or all together or to your anchor rode. The reason is that some hurricane holes are big enough for 2 boats..literally. You set out a bow anchor and set it, then run a long line to shore and around a rock or tree (with your chain help there will be no abrasion) and tie off on the stern. This is very common up there.
If you use a combination rode (chain and three strand), then also make up an anchor rider. This is a hardware store 25lb mushroom anchor and two locking caribbiners..one attaches the mushroom anchor to it's rode, while the other attaches the mushroom anchor to the main anchor rode which it rides down to the sea bottom on about 50-75ft. of it's own rode. This artificially increase the catenary angle when the wind is piping up and trying to yank the anchor out of the bottom. In normal conditions, your boat swings around the mushroom anchor, rather than the ships anchor...a much smalller circumference.
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Sailing Lake Superior
Paul D. wrote: Greetings benevolent CD owners,
I am in the process of getting new line and chain for CD 33 Christine Lynn and was wondering what different anchor systems people have on their 33. Ours is a sloop with one anchor roller that does not seem to have been anchored much. There is no skid plate for the shank to rest on and no way of captivating the line on the roller while anchored.
What are some systems you have used that work? Thanks in advance, Carmela and I plan to go to Isle Royale this month and I look forward to playing with the anchors instead of thinking about them!
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
demers@sgi.com
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Paul D.
Re: CD 33 Anchor System - LARRY
Thanks all for your comments!
LARRY! Carmela and I will be bound for IR on Sept 10th. I had to push it back as her sister from New Zealand is here till the 9th. So I will be up in Grand Marais, up the Gunflint Trail, till about the 6th. So my schedule is kind of crazy. Here is my number on the trail-218-388-4497, you can call for free from Buck's Conoco in town or email directly to me. I would love to hook up when you are in Grand Marais and I should have time to come into town.
Re: Anchoring, I like the advice for the lengths of chain and will save some pieces for that when I get the new rode. I do not have a sprit though so, with some way of catching the rode on the roller at the stem fitting (A nice big bronze one like all our boats)I should be able to anchor off that roller with chain or line. It is not ideal yet though. All of these comments have been very helpful.
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
menogyn@YMCAmpls.org
LARRY! Carmela and I will be bound for IR on Sept 10th. I had to push it back as her sister from New Zealand is here till the 9th. So I will be up in Grand Marais, up the Gunflint Trail, till about the 6th. So my schedule is kind of crazy. Here is my number on the trail-218-388-4497, you can call for free from Buck's Conoco in town or email directly to me. I would love to hook up when you are in Grand Marais and I should have time to come into town.
Re: Anchoring, I like the advice for the lengths of chain and will save some pieces for that when I get the new rode. I do not have a sprit though so, with some way of catching the rode on the roller at the stem fitting (A nice big bronze one like all our boats)I should be able to anchor off that roller with chain or line. It is not ideal yet though. All of these comments have been very helpful.
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
menogyn@YMCAmpls.org
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Larry DeMers
Re: CD 33 Anchor System - LARRY
Paul,
Well crud! So close..we will more than likely do a direct Apostles to Grand Marais passage early this Saturday morning, arriving around 5pm (10hrs. ETA approx.). If the winds are contrary or the weather funky, we'll detour to 'The U.P.' and wait out the crud until we can make 000 deg. Then we'll shoot for Isle Royale directly, with landfall at Chippewa Harbor. We have only 9 days to play with, -8 if you subtract the 1 weather day I can give up. So we will not know until Friday PM what is happening for certain.
Yeah, I did forget entirely that the 33 was spritless, which makes my original point sort of dulled, as it were. In your case, maybe you could do what I did to keep the anchor between the edges of the roller on the sprit. I drilled and mounted two U Bolts on either side of the roller. This keeps the CQR right there all the time, including an 80 deg. knockdown. If for a more secure lashup is needed, then a piece of line tied across the tops of the two U bolts would capture the anchor for certain. You will also be wise to have a Quick Release pin that holds the shank end in place, so that it will not wander around on you. We forgot to do this once while changing anchorages in a squall, and the anchor did leave the bowsprit, gouged the side a bit, then set itself in 20 ft. of water..real good considering that we were doing 6 kts at the time! Sproingggg! Suddenly we were turned 180 deg. and really well anchored, engine still running and the captain with a hell of a strange look on his face! Bad move on my part.
Your situation without the sprit may make anchoring with an all chain rode a bit easier than if you had the sprit, although I would argue that on Superior, an all chain rode is not as useful as it would seem it should be. A combo rode with 30-50 ft. of chain and maybe another 50ft. in reserve if needed would be the better solution I feel. It will certainly be easier to retrieve.
If we get to GM, we will definitely give you a call ..from Sven and Olie's probably.
Hope your summer is going well. The weather sure has been nuts-o this year. Big storms..big winds..big tornadoes...jeesh, can not wait to see what the winter brings us!
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cd30
demers@sgi.com
Well crud! So close..we will more than likely do a direct Apostles to Grand Marais passage early this Saturday morning, arriving around 5pm (10hrs. ETA approx.). If the winds are contrary or the weather funky, we'll detour to 'The U.P.' and wait out the crud until we can make 000 deg. Then we'll shoot for Isle Royale directly, with landfall at Chippewa Harbor. We have only 9 days to play with, -8 if you subtract the 1 weather day I can give up. So we will not know until Friday PM what is happening for certain.
Yeah, I did forget entirely that the 33 was spritless, which makes my original point sort of dulled, as it were. In your case, maybe you could do what I did to keep the anchor between the edges of the roller on the sprit. I drilled and mounted two U Bolts on either side of the roller. This keeps the CQR right there all the time, including an 80 deg. knockdown. If for a more secure lashup is needed, then a piece of line tied across the tops of the two U bolts would capture the anchor for certain. You will also be wise to have a Quick Release pin that holds the shank end in place, so that it will not wander around on you. We forgot to do this once while changing anchorages in a squall, and the anchor did leave the bowsprit, gouged the side a bit, then set itself in 20 ft. of water..real good considering that we were doing 6 kts at the time! Sproingggg! Suddenly we were turned 180 deg. and really well anchored, engine still running and the captain with a hell of a strange look on his face! Bad move on my part.
Your situation without the sprit may make anchoring with an all chain rode a bit easier than if you had the sprit, although I would argue that on Superior, an all chain rode is not as useful as it would seem it should be. A combo rode with 30-50 ft. of chain and maybe another 50ft. in reserve if needed would be the better solution I feel. It will certainly be easier to retrieve.
If we get to GM, we will definitely give you a call ..from Sven and Olie's probably.
Hope your summer is going well. The weather sure has been nuts-o this year. Big storms..big winds..big tornadoes...jeesh, can not wait to see what the winter brings us!
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cd30
Paul D. wrote: Thanks all for your comments!
LARRY! Carmela and I will be bound for IR on Sept 10th. I had to push it back as her sister from New Zealand is here till the 9th. So I will be up in Grand Marais, up the Gunflint Trail, till about the 6th. So my schedule is kind of crazy. Here is my number on the trail-218-388-4497, you can call for free from Buck's Conoco in town or email directly to me. I would love to hook up when you are in Grand Marais and I should have time to come into town.
Re: Anchoring, I like the advice for the lengths of chain and will save some pieces for that when I get the new rode. I do not have a sprit though so, with some way of catching the rode on the roller at the stem fitting (A nice big bronze one like all our boats)I should be able to anchor off that roller with chain or line. It is not ideal yet though. All of these comments have been very helpful.
Paul Danicic
CD 33 #77 Christine Lynn
Grand Marais, MN
demers@sgi.com
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Paul D.
Re: CD 33 Anchor System - LARRY
Larry,
Hope you make it all right. The weather up here has been much nicer, only the occasional storm made it up this far. Well, you will probably see Christine Lynn on her mooring. Feel free to go aboard and check her out if you wish. I hope to get on her tomorrow just to check batteries etc.
If you call from town I may be able to get in, it depends on the program going on out here. We have a family camp over Labor day. If it is next Saturday you are talking about, I may miss you. However, if you will be somewhere at IR the 10-20th of Sept we could link up in some stunning anchorage. I have a ranger friend there who is suggesting his favorites to me! Our camp does six trips a summer out there - lovely.
All the best,
Paul
Hope you make it all right. The weather up here has been much nicer, only the occasional storm made it up this far. Well, you will probably see Christine Lynn on her mooring. Feel free to go aboard and check her out if you wish. I hope to get on her tomorrow just to check batteries etc.
If you call from town I may be able to get in, it depends on the program going on out here. We have a family camp over Labor day. If it is next Saturday you are talking about, I may miss you. However, if you will be somewhere at IR the 10-20th of Sept we could link up in some stunning anchorage. I have a ranger friend there who is suggesting his favorites to me! Our camp does six trips a summer out there - lovely.
All the best,
Paul