CD 330 Heeling Question

[Ron Legan]

I am sailing my CD 330 (Andiamo) in the Puget Sound, Seattle, area and mainly in light air, 5kts to 15kts (true). I am finding that the boat is overpowered in 10kts plus wind when going to wind under full main and 130 genoa. I am heeling and the boat seems very tender. If I get gusted from this point of sail the rail in under water, heavy weather helm and I lose steering control. I have been advised to reef the main if going out in 10 kts or more. I have experience sailing my old CD 28 and never thought about reefing until 18 kts with the main and jib. Andiamo has been modified with a roller 130 genoa and the staysail stay has been removed. She is set up as a Sloop. Could this set up put her out of balance? It just seems that in this type of breeze my boat should be standing up more. I have to admit I am amazed at the light air speed, but I am concerned what I may need to do when I get off in some really fresh breezes. Any comments or ideas would be appreciated.

Ron Legan
Andiamo
Bainbridge,Is. WA



ronald.legan@ssa.gov

[Steve Alarcon]

Ron,

There used to be a CD33 sloop in my marina (Elliott Bay), and we sailed along side with our former CD30 on a few occasions. As I recall, it struck me that the CD33 was much more tender than we as she healed what seemed to be 5 degrees more than we did in pretty much the same force winds (puffs excepted, of course). At the time, I recall tinking that the main was not trimmed correctly. Perhaps you are sheeted to hard? Do you ease the traveller? You might check out North's on-line Fast Sail course at this link.

Good luck, and if you see us out there swing by.

Steve Alarcon
CD36 Tenacity
Seattle



alarcon3@prodigy.net

[Chris Reinke CD330]

Ron - I have the original cutter rig and fly my yankee/staysail/main in up to 15 - 20kts with none of the problems you mentioned below. I usually drop the staysail if I anticipate the winds remainig over 15kts for an extended period of time, or if I am sailing at night. This allows me to roll the yankee from the cumfort of the cockpit if the winds increase unexpectedly. I will toss in one reef in the main once the winds hit about 20 - 25kts. A partial rolled yankee keeps me well balanced until I toss in a second main reef once winds exceed 25kts.

So I am incertain what may be causing your problems as I have not encoutered them.

Chris

I am sailing my CD 330 (Andiamo) in the Puget Sound, Seattle, area and mainly in light air, 5kts to 15kts (true). I am finding that the boat is overpowered in 10kts plus wind when going to wind under full main and 130 genoa. I am heeling and the boat seems very tender. If I get gusted from this point of sail the rail in under water, heavy weather helm and I lose steering control. I have been advised to reef the main if going out in 10 kts or more. I have experience sailing my old CD 28 and never thought about reefing until 18 kts with the main and jib. Andiamo has been modified with a roller 130 genoa and the staysail stay has been removed. She is set up as a Sloop. Could this set up put her out of balance? It just seems that in this type of breeze my boat should be standing up more. I have to admit I am amazed at the light air speed, but I am concerned what I may need to do when I get off in some really fresh breezes. Any comments or ideas would be appreciated.

Ron Legan
Andiamo
Bainbridge,Is. WA

[Harold]

Sounds like you need to flatten your main. Use the outhaul and cunningham to move the draft of the sail forward. That will ease your heeling and subsequent weatherhelm. (Unless your main is old and blown out, then you're pretty much stuck with a flattening reef if you have a cringle for it - or a new sail)

[Patrick Turner]

difficult to debug this without seeing the sails in action. On my CD36 (depending on the sea-state) I usually start thinking about putting in a reef around 18knts of apparent wind - wich at a boat speed of 6+ knts is around 12knts of true wind speed if you're going to weather.....so you're a little early. My guess is that the big genoa is the culprit. Perhaps it is a little old and may have more shape then it should, perhpas the headstay is not tight and therefore the genoa bags out as it fills up with increased pressure. It's a shame I think that they did away with the stays'l. I realize that it does add a little more complication to sailing, but not much and it can be your best friend. Contrary to a previous message - the stays'l is the last sail that should be put away up front. As the wind increases, the goal is to bring the center of effort created by the sails, down lower and closer to the center of the boat. This is easy to do when you fly a stays'l in conjunction with a yankee - as the wind pipes up just roll the Yankee in about 20%..... and more if it gets windier leaving the smaller, lower and further aft stays'l to do the work. I was out a little earlier this Summer, flying a stays'l with a double reef in the main in 33 knts of apparent wind going hard to weather and I could just let go of the wheel she was tracking so well - not a bad ride really.

If you have a good local sail loft nearby, you might see if they'll come down for a look-see.......proably want to sell you a sail tho'.

Pat



patrick.t@attbi.com

[ronald legan]

I want to thank all who responded. I am going to try all the suggested fixes. I agree there is a sail/rig problem. I felt sure the boat can do better.

Fair Winds and thanks again.

Ron
Andiamo
Seattle

[Catherine Monaghan]

Ron,

I hope you used a local sailmaker. Ask him out for a sail so that he can see the shape of the sail while underway. Even new sails can be misshapen, too baggy or too flat.


Cathy
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay

I am sailing my CD 330 (Andiamo) in the Puget Sound, Seattle, area and mainly in light air, 5kts to 15kts (true). I am finding that the boat is overpowered in 10kts plus wind when going to wind under full main and 130 genoa. I am heeling and the boat seems very tender. If I get gusted from this point of sail the rail in under water, heavy weather helm and I lose steering control. I have been advised to reef the main if going out in 10 kts or more. I have experience sailing my old CD 28 and never thought about reefing until 18 kts with the main and jib. Andiamo has been modified with a roller 130 genoa and the staysail stay has been removed. She is set up as a Sloop. Could this set up put her out of balance? It just seems that in this type of breeze my boat should be standing up more. I have to admit I am amazed at the light air speed, but I am concerned what I may need to do when I get off in some really fresh breezes. Any comments or ideas would be appreciated.

Ron Legan
Andiamo
Bainbridge,Is. WA

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