Does anyone have dimensions for the CD/36 staysail or am I going to have to measure it myself?
Does anyone want to say nice things about their sailmaker or bad things either? We are currently considering Banks in Oriental, Omar in Beaufort, Cruising Sails Direct, Mack, Sails Direct.
Some people I have asked are fairly insistent on local lofts for local service. Any views on that?
We don't need Southern Ocean sails and don't want small lake sails. Something to be used 100 miles off Cape Hatteras on good days might be a good compromise.
Thanks.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC
parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com
CD/36 Sails
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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len
Re: CD/36 Sails
ken
thurston sails in bristol, rhode island, now part of the quantum group have been terrific to me and others i've sent there - if there is a good local loft you can use, go for it, but if not i am sure you will be very happy with thurston
len
cd31
hingham, ma
md.frel@nwh.org
thurston sails in bristol, rhode island, now part of the quantum group have been terrific to me and others i've sent there - if there is a good local loft you can use, go for it, but if not i am sure you will be very happy with thurston
len
cd31
hingham, ma
md.frel@nwh.org
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Joe Sankey
Re: CD/36 Sails
Ken, I heartily recommend Hunter Riddle at Schurr Sails in Pensacola, FL. You may be better served by someone local, or not. However, I do know that Schurr makes sails for boats all over, and I imagine they've made a few for a CD 36; maybe yours. www.schurrsails.com
Joe Sankey
CD 30 Slow Dance
sankey@gulftel.com
Joe Sankey
CD 30 Slow Dance
Ken Coit wrote: Does anyone have dimensions for the CD/36 staysail or am I going to have to measure it myself?
Does anyone want to say nice things about their sailmaker or bad things either? We are currently considering Banks in Oriental, Omar in Beaufort, Cruising Sails Direct, Mack, Sails Direct.
Some people I have asked are fairly insistent on local lofts for local service. Any views on that?
We don't need Southern Ocean sails and don't want small lake sails. Something to be used 100 miles off Cape Hatteras on good days might be a good compromise.
Thanks.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC
sankey@gulftel.com
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Ken Coit
Re: CD/36 Sails
Joe,
Thanks for the lead. The sail I am most anxioius to replace is the staysail and I don't think that anyone but Hood would claim it; they would only do that because it has their name on it. It roller furls and has no UV protection, so the stitching is disintegrating rather quickly. It may be original with the boat for all I know.
I'll check out Schurr.
Thanks,
Ken
parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com
Thanks for the lead. The sail I am most anxioius to replace is the staysail and I don't think that anyone but Hood would claim it; they would only do that because it has their name on it. It roller furls and has no UV protection, so the stitching is disintegrating rather quickly. It may be original with the boat for all I know.
I'll check out Schurr.
Thanks,
Ken
Joe Sankey wrote: Ken, I heartily recommend Hunter Riddle at Schurr Sails in Pensacola, FL. You may be better served by someone local, or not. However, I do know that Schurr makes sails for boats all over, and I imagine they've made a few for a CD 36; maybe yours. www.schurrsails.com
Joe Sankey
CD 30 Slow DanceKen Coit wrote: Does anyone have dimensions for the CD/36 staysail or am I going to have to measure it myself?
Does anyone want to say nice things about their sailmaker or bad things either? We are currently considering Banks in Oriental, Omar in Beaufort, Cruising Sails Direct, Mack, Sails Direct.
Some people I have asked are fairly insistent on local lofts for local service. Any views on that?
We don't need Southern Ocean sails and don't want small lake sails. Something to be used 100 miles off Cape Hatteras on good days might be a good compromise.
Thanks.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit
CD/14 #538
CD/36 #84 Parfait
Hailing Port: Raleigh, NC
Sailing from: Beaufort, NC
parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com
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Andy Denmark
Re: CD/36 Sails
Hi Ken,
I believe a local sailmaker is by far a better choice than one that must be dealt with by UPS, emails, and phone calls. Nothing on your boat requires more personal, hands-on attention than sails and you simply cannot get that at a distance. I also believe that nowhere else does the adage, "you get what you pay for" hold more true than with sails (with a few rare exceptions where you get a lot less than you pay for!)
You might not know that Mark and I started Banks sails together (it was Haarstick Sails back then). As a technician, Mark is tops. He and LuAnn crewed for me on Nevermoore for a number of years and in '96 we won Boat-of-the-Year, so the two of them know all aspects of using sails as well as making them. They have years of liveaboard cruising under their belts, made the sails Dennis Conner used to win back the America's Cup, and are in their brand new loft just up the road from me. You will find working with them, their knowledge and expertise gladly shared, a pleasure.
By the same token, Paul Lockwood at Omar Sails in Beaufort also makes good sails and is a bit closer to Parfait. Paul is a good racing/cruising skipper and great competition. We have raced against one another for years and I still have (and use) a #2 genoa on Rhiannon that he made in 1985. Paul and Sandy are good folks, too. Our daughters are the same age and their lives have sort of paralleled one anothers over the years.
In my opinion, either of these would be great choices for a local sailmaker. Personally, I would avoid like the plague any sailmaker that represented itself as a "cruising division of a major name sailmaker" - what you get are cheap materials and a thrown-together finished product - the problem is that only a sailmaker can spot the real differences when the sails are new. Given a few years of service and anyone can see the quality differences. Still, if $$$ is a big factor and you need something white to hang from the sticks on your boat, then they do serve a niche market.
Look forward to seeing you at the CD Cape Lookout raftup. I'll bring all the makings for Dark & Stormys. My crew just returned from the Annapolis-Bermuda race and has a copious quantity of Gosling's Black Seal Rum. I have just uncovered a local source of Reeds Premium Jamaican Ginger Beer so we are all set on that score!
Get your new sails and visit in Oriental. I'll tune your rig for you and we'll destroy some blue crabs. Leave the Loos gauges at home, please.
Regards,
Andy Denmark
CD-27 "Rhiannon"
N 35* 05.137, W 076* 38.695 (end of the face pier)
trekker@coastalnet.com
I believe a local sailmaker is by far a better choice than one that must be dealt with by UPS, emails, and phone calls. Nothing on your boat requires more personal, hands-on attention than sails and you simply cannot get that at a distance. I also believe that nowhere else does the adage, "you get what you pay for" hold more true than with sails (with a few rare exceptions where you get a lot less than you pay for!)
You might not know that Mark and I started Banks sails together (it was Haarstick Sails back then). As a technician, Mark is tops. He and LuAnn crewed for me on Nevermoore for a number of years and in '96 we won Boat-of-the-Year, so the two of them know all aspects of using sails as well as making them. They have years of liveaboard cruising under their belts, made the sails Dennis Conner used to win back the America's Cup, and are in their brand new loft just up the road from me. You will find working with them, their knowledge and expertise gladly shared, a pleasure.
By the same token, Paul Lockwood at Omar Sails in Beaufort also makes good sails and is a bit closer to Parfait. Paul is a good racing/cruising skipper and great competition. We have raced against one another for years and I still have (and use) a #2 genoa on Rhiannon that he made in 1985. Paul and Sandy are good folks, too. Our daughters are the same age and their lives have sort of paralleled one anothers over the years.
In my opinion, either of these would be great choices for a local sailmaker. Personally, I would avoid like the plague any sailmaker that represented itself as a "cruising division of a major name sailmaker" - what you get are cheap materials and a thrown-together finished product - the problem is that only a sailmaker can spot the real differences when the sails are new. Given a few years of service and anyone can see the quality differences. Still, if $$$ is a big factor and you need something white to hang from the sticks on your boat, then they do serve a niche market.
Look forward to seeing you at the CD Cape Lookout raftup. I'll bring all the makings for Dark & Stormys. My crew just returned from the Annapolis-Bermuda race and has a copious quantity of Gosling's Black Seal Rum. I have just uncovered a local source of Reeds Premium Jamaican Ginger Beer so we are all set on that score!
Get your new sails and visit in Oriental. I'll tune your rig for you and we'll destroy some blue crabs. Leave the Loos gauges at home, please.
Regards,
Andy Denmark
CD-27 "Rhiannon"
N 35* 05.137, W 076* 38.695 (end of the face pier)
trekker@coastalnet.com
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Ken Coit
Re: CD/36 Sails
Andy,
Thanks for all the local knowledge and opinions, you have given me a great laugh at the end of the day and that is most welcome anytime.
I am afraid if I show up anywhere very soon under sail it will be those old ugly ones I bought a few years ago with the boat, but maybe Mark or Paul will give me a deal that can't be refused even now. More likely is a staged recanvassing starting with the poor sad staysail. I guess it must have been Sandy that was so appalled that she wouldn't even sew two feet of seam before talking to me. I appreciated her attitude even though I really wanted the sail for at least one more day.
What is your source for ginger beer? It is hard to find here and we like it a lot. I think the art theater is the only place I have seen it for sale.
Looking forward to seeing you at Pt. Lookout if not before.
Keep on sailing my friend,
Ken
parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com
Thanks for all the local knowledge and opinions, you have given me a great laugh at the end of the day and that is most welcome anytime.
I am afraid if I show up anywhere very soon under sail it will be those old ugly ones I bought a few years ago with the boat, but maybe Mark or Paul will give me a deal that can't be refused even now. More likely is a staged recanvassing starting with the poor sad staysail. I guess it must have been Sandy that was so appalled that she wouldn't even sew two feet of seam before talking to me. I appreciated her attitude even though I really wanted the sail for at least one more day.
What is your source for ginger beer? It is hard to find here and we like it a lot. I think the art theater is the only place I have seen it for sale.
Looking forward to seeing you at Pt. Lookout if not before.
Keep on sailing my friend,
Ken
Andy Denmark wrote: Hi Ken,
I believe a local sailmaker is by far a better choice than one that must be dealt with by UPS, emails, and phone calls. Nothing on your boat requires more personal, hands-on attention than sails and you simply cannot get that at a distance. I also believe that nowhere else does the adage, "you get what you pay for" hold more true than with sails (with a few rare exceptions where you get a lot less than you pay for!)
You might not know that Mark and I started Banks sails together (it was Haarstick Sails back then). As a technician, Mark is tops. He and LuAnn crewed for me on Nevermoore for a number of years and in '96 we won Boat-of-the-Year, so the two of them know all aspects of using sails as well as making them. They have years of liveaboard cruising under their belts, made the sails Dennis Conner used to win back the America's Cup, and are in their brand new loft just up the road from me. You will find working with them, their knowledge and expertise gladly shared, a pleasure.
By the same token, Paul Lockwood at Omar Sails in Beaufort also makes good sails and is a bit closer to Parfait. Paul is a good racing/cruising skipper and great competition. We have raced against one another for years and I still have (and use) a #2 genoa on Rhiannon that he made in 1985. Paul and Sandy are good folks, too. Our daughters are the same age and their lives have sort of paralleled one anothers over the years.
In my opinion, either of these would be great choices for a local sailmaker. Personally, I would avoid like the plague any sailmaker that represented itself as a "cruising division of a major name sailmaker" - what you get are cheap materials and a thrown-together finished product - the problem is that only a sailmaker can spot the real differences when the sails are new. Given a few years of service and anyone can see the quality differences. Still, if $$$ is a big factor and you need something white to hang from the sticks on your boat, then they do serve a niche market.
Look forward to seeing you at the CD Cape Lookout raftup. I'll bring all the makings for Dark & Stormys. My crew just returned from the Annapolis-Bermuda race and has a copious quantity of Gosling's Black Seal Rum. I have just uncovered a local source of Reeds Premium Jamaican Ginger Beer so we are all set on that score!
Get your new sails and visit in Oriental. I'll tune your rig for you and we'll destroy some blue crabs. Leave the Loos gauges at home, please.
Regards,
Andy Denmark
CD-27 "Rhiannon"
N 35* 05.137, W 076* 38.695 (end of the face pier)
parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com
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Bob B
Re: CD/36 Sails
Ken,
I had a mainsail made from Mark and Andy years ago and can speak for the quality of the manufacture. I have been dissapointed ever since then by the quality that I have seen in other sails. Maybe I got spoiled at an early stage.
Bob B.
CD 25D Tiva
Charleston, SC
BundyR@aol.com
I had a mainsail made from Mark and Andy years ago and can speak for the quality of the manufacture. I have been dissapointed ever since then by the quality that I have seen in other sails. Maybe I got spoiled at an early stage.
Bob B.
CD 25D Tiva
Charleston, SC
BundyR@aol.com
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John Nuttall
The Big Picture
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Hey Dude,
It's not just a staysail.........It's an entire suit of sails that will eventually get replaced.......
The operative word here is "suit"...As in matching, tailored, balanced, working togeather.....
Figure out where you want to be sailwise, and start here...With this one.....
You are fortunate.... You have two good sailmakers at your disposal.......
Choose your sailmaker based upon compatability .....which sailmaker's style and work ethic matches your needs and expectations for the future......
In the long run that'll have alot more to do with your satisfaction than the hundred dollar difference......
Ken, this is not free advice....you owe me lunch at Bear Rock...
;-]
John
Hey Dude,
It's not just a staysail.........It's an entire suit of sails that will eventually get replaced.......
The operative word here is "suit"...As in matching, tailored, balanced, working togeather.....
Figure out where you want to be sailwise, and start here...With this one.....
You are fortunate.... You have two good sailmakers at your disposal.......
Choose your sailmaker based upon compatability .....which sailmaker's style and work ethic matches your needs and expectations for the future......
In the long run that'll have alot more to do with your satisfaction than the hundred dollar difference......
Ken, this is not free advice....you owe me lunch at Bear Rock...
;-]
John
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Ken Coit
Re: The Big Picture
John,
You are on for lunch in about a week. Thanks for the laugh. How about a cheap mortgage, will I have to buy dinner for that?
I don't have any quotes from the expensive lofts; I sure hope there is only $100 difference.
ROFL, many thanks,
Ken
parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com
You are on for lunch in about a week. Thanks for the laugh. How about a cheap mortgage, will I have to buy dinner for that?
I don't have any quotes from the expensive lofts; I sure hope there is only $100 difference.
ROFL, many thanks,
Ken
John Nuttall wrote: .....
Hey Dude,
It's not just a staysail.........It's an entire suit of sails that will eventually get replaced.......
The operative word here is "suit"...As in matching, tailored, balanced, working togeather.....
Figure out where you want to be sailwise, and start here...With this one.....
You are fortunate.... You have two good sailmakers at your disposal.......
Choose your sailmaker based upon compatability .....which sailmaker's style and work ethic matches your needs and expectations for the future......
In the long run that'll have alot more to do with your satisfaction than the hundred dollar difference......
Ken, this is not free advice....you owe me lunch at Bear Rock...
;-]
John
parfaitNOSPAM@nc.rr.com