"Cricket" does not have a spinnaker or gennaker. I'd like to get one.
First... does anyone have dimensions for the spinnaker/gennaker's they are using on a CD25D?
Second... I've done some spinnaker sailing, but I like the idea of an asymmetrical spinnaker from a simplicity standpoint. My wife and I had a sailing friend over this weekend to oggle the boat and he said that he was pretty disappointed with the asymmetrical spinnaker because it doesn't really let you sail downwind... they ended buying a true spinnaker.
Third... I'm thinking about getting the spinnaker/gennaker through Bacon Sails... they sure have a large inventory... anybody had any experiences there?
Thanks!
Bob
bdugan@stepzero.com
Spinnaker/Gennaker on Cape Dory 25D
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Don Carr
Address your second point asym vs sym
Bob;
Although I am most familiar with the CD25, I believe my point(s) are valid for any boat.
The choice between the asymmetrical (cruising spin, flasher.. whatever) is balanced; in my opinion, upon ease of use. If you sail shorthanded or with a less than seasoned crew, the asymmetrical would be my choice. Yes, the asymmtrical is NOT a dead downwind chute but then full keel boats really don't perform all that well dead downwind anyway so why sail that way? The second consideration would be total cost of hardware. With the asymmetrical you only have to purchase 4 additional blocks. With the symmetrical you now are talking hardware and line for a downhaul optionally a topping lift and a pole (if you already have a whisker, you could make do).
As far as trim and use I think the asymmetrical wins in the ease of trim department. The symmetrical in order to work decently must be trimmed using the guy and sheet in conjunction so that the sail is always very close to perendicular to the aparent wind. So now you have
2 people occupied plus the symmetrical is very intolerant of helming errors and mainsail trim errors (i.e. unrecoverable broach...J24's do this all the time).
As you can tell I am biased toward the asymmetrical spinnaker and I have and do sail with both types. Just in our CD world ease of use for cruising far outweighs the fractional performance boost from a symmetrical spinnaker.
IMHO.
Fair Winds.
carrds@us.ibm.com
Although I am most familiar with the CD25, I believe my point(s) are valid for any boat.
The choice between the asymmetrical (cruising spin, flasher.. whatever) is balanced; in my opinion, upon ease of use. If you sail shorthanded or with a less than seasoned crew, the asymmetrical would be my choice. Yes, the asymmtrical is NOT a dead downwind chute but then full keel boats really don't perform all that well dead downwind anyway so why sail that way? The second consideration would be total cost of hardware. With the asymmetrical you only have to purchase 4 additional blocks. With the symmetrical you now are talking hardware and line for a downhaul optionally a topping lift and a pole (if you already have a whisker, you could make do).
As far as trim and use I think the asymmetrical wins in the ease of trim department. The symmetrical in order to work decently must be trimmed using the guy and sheet in conjunction so that the sail is always very close to perendicular to the aparent wind. So now you have
2 people occupied plus the symmetrical is very intolerant of helming errors and mainsail trim errors (i.e. unrecoverable broach...J24's do this all the time).
As you can tell I am biased toward the asymmetrical spinnaker and I have and do sail with both types. Just in our CD world ease of use for cruising far outweighs the fractional performance boost from a symmetrical spinnaker.
IMHO.
Fair Winds.
carrds@us.ibm.com
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Michael Heintz
Re: Spinnaker/Gennaker on Cape Dory 25D
Bob,
I bought a spinnaker/gennaker (also called a Flasher) from UK sails last year for my CD 30 MKII. The have a computer database of ALL CD's and the measurements needed.
UK's Flasher comes with the "Flasher Stasher" also know as a "dousing sock" This makes it very easy to raise and douse!!!!!!
You are correct about your comments on an "Asymmetrical" spinnaker, as I discovered it sails better on a broad reach, and actually comes up on the wind very nicely. Provides some real power, and is especially useful in light air. However running downwind is very doable, it will require using a wisker pole. The easiest way to set up your chute wing and wing is to attach the outboard end of the pole to the clew of the sail while it is still on the same side as the mainsail, then jibe the main.
Something to remember, In winds under 15 knots, sailing downwind is slower than sailing at broad reaching angles. regardless if sailing with a Flasher or a normal spinnaker.
All in all I'm very happy with the Flasher, and it is very easy to sail as compared to a regular spinnaker!!!!!
Good Luck
Michael Heintz
Captain Commanding
Macht Nichts
CD 30 MK II
mzenith@aol.com
I bought a spinnaker/gennaker (also called a Flasher) from UK sails last year for my CD 30 MKII. The have a computer database of ALL CD's and the measurements needed.
UK's Flasher comes with the "Flasher Stasher" also know as a "dousing sock" This makes it very easy to raise and douse!!!!!!
You are correct about your comments on an "Asymmetrical" spinnaker, as I discovered it sails better on a broad reach, and actually comes up on the wind very nicely. Provides some real power, and is especially useful in light air. However running downwind is very doable, it will require using a wisker pole. The easiest way to set up your chute wing and wing is to attach the outboard end of the pole to the clew of the sail while it is still on the same side as the mainsail, then jibe the main.
Something to remember, In winds under 15 knots, sailing downwind is slower than sailing at broad reaching angles. regardless if sailing with a Flasher or a normal spinnaker.
All in all I'm very happy with the Flasher, and it is very easy to sail as compared to a regular spinnaker!!!!!
Good Luck
Michael Heintz
Captain Commanding
Macht Nichts
CD 30 MK II
mzenith@aol.com
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Michael Heintz
Spinnakers can also make great drouges :-)
Allrighty then I knew that was comming.......Where's Stumpy??????
Man I hope all you guys make it to the race this Year!!!!!!!!
I remain.....bla bla bla......
mzenith@aol.com
Man I hope all you guys make it to the race this Year!!!!!!!!
I remain.....bla bla bla......
mzenith@aol.com
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: Here I am.....
Captain Heintz,
Sure and doesn't a asymetrical make for a good drogue/sea anchor when still in the bag and thrown over the side? ? ? It is the proper competitive thing to do, gives slower vessels a chance!
As far as broad reaching down wind, it is also called tacking down wind or wearing ship. I would NOT use a wisker pole on Hanaleis' RBT (stands for Really Big Thing, and scares the sh*% out of the 1st. Mate)<it triples the sail area on Hanalei when flying>. Reason for no wisker pole, it is a cruising sail, if it is jybing all the time, you are to far off the wind, head up a bit, and the thing will hang there all day. I also only have a single sheet on the clew. Don't need two, I'm not in a hurry to tack! So when need be, I walk the sheet forward, pass it around the forestay, and walk it back on the opposite side. Less lines and less hassle!
FWIW....your servant.......
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei
etc, etc, etc.....
Sure and doesn't a asymetrical make for a good drogue/sea anchor when still in the bag and thrown over the side? ? ? It is the proper competitive thing to do, gives slower vessels a chance!
As far as broad reaching down wind, it is also called tacking down wind or wearing ship. I would NOT use a wisker pole on Hanaleis' RBT (stands for Really Big Thing, and scares the sh*% out of the 1st. Mate)<it triples the sail area on Hanalei when flying>. Reason for no wisker pole, it is a cruising sail, if it is jybing all the time, you are to far off the wind, head up a bit, and the thing will hang there all day. I also only have a single sheet on the clew. Don't need two, I'm not in a hurry to tack! So when need be, I walk the sheet forward, pass it around the forestay, and walk it back on the opposite side. Less lines and less hassle!
FWIW....your servant.......
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei
etc, etc, etc.....
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Leo MacDonald CD33
Re: Spinnaker/Gennaker on Cape Dory 25D
Hi Bob,Bob Dugan wrote: "Cricket" does not have a spinnaker or gennaker. I'd like to get one.
First... does anyone have dimensions for the spinnaker/gennaker's they are using on a CD25D?
Second... I've done some spinnaker sailing, but I like the idea of an asymmetrical spinnaker from a simplicity standpoint. My wife and I had a sailing friend over this weekend to oggle the boat and he said that he was pretty disappointed with the asymmetrical spinnaker because it doesn't really let you sail downwind... they ended buying a true spinnaker.
Third... I'm thinking about getting the spinnaker/gennaker through Bacon Sails... they sure have a large inventory... anybody had any experiences there?
Thanks!
Bob
I think Don & others have it fairly well nailed.
I purchases a 'Mizzen Staysail' for 'Heather Ann' from Bacon & Associates. There rating system was accurate and the price was very good - I would and have recommended them
Fair Winds,
Leo MacDonald
Evening Light CD33
(The 'shiver-me-timbers' fear of the NE Fleet ME bound CD36s.)
macdoreNOSPAM@aol.com
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Michael Heintz
Re: Here I am.....I knew it :-)
Master Stump,
Dave Dave Dave.......you burn kerosene in your anchor light.....you don't use a wisker pole.......what are we gona do with you?????????
Cappy Heintz
Dave Dave Dave.......you burn kerosene in your anchor light.....you don't use a wisker pole.......what are we gona do with you?????????
Cappy Heintz
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Leo MacDonald CD33
Re: Spinnaker/Gennaker on Cape Dory 25D
Michael,Michael Heintz wrote: Bob,
I bought a spinnaker/gennaker (also called a Flasher) from UK sails last year for my CD 30 MKII. The have a computer database of ALL CD's and the measurements needed.
UK's Flasher comes with the "Flasher Stasher" also know as a "dousing sock" This makes it very easy to raise and douse!!!!!!
You are correct about your comments on an "Asymmetrical" spinnaker, as I discovered it sails better on a broad reach, and actually comes up on the wind very nicely. Provides some real power, and is especially useful in light air. However running downwind is very doable, it will require using a wisker pole. The easiest way to set up your chute wing and wing is to attach the outboard end of the pole to the clew of the sail while it is still on the same side as the mainsail, then jibe the main.
Something to remember, In winds under 15 knots, sailing downwind is slower than sailing at broad reaching angles. regardless if sailing with a Flasher or a normal spinnaker.
All in all I'm very happy with the Flasher, and it is very easy to sail as compared to a regular spinnaker!!!!!
Good Luck
Michael Heintz
Captain Commanding
Macht Nichts
CD 30 MK II
I was wondering if you would give a small talk at the Watch Hill Rendezvous this August as to the fine points of 'Spinnaker setting and Sea Anchor deployment' ??
)(You didn't think you would get off that easy - did ya?)
Fair Winds,
Leo
macdoreNOSPAM@aol.com
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Hanalei
Re: What are ya gonna do.....???
Why sir, you of course are going to TRY and BEST Hanalei this August 4th. next......! ! !
He, He....
Hanalei
He, He....
Hanalei
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Michael Heintz
Re: Spinnaker/Gennaker on Cape Dory 25D
Well Leo,
My talk may well tie into the Offshore subject that you so graciously agreed to talk on. I will handel the equipment portion of the talk, and how to cross use equipment. The highlight of my presentation will of course be the "spinnaker as drouge demonstration" !!!
Cappy
My talk may well tie into the Offshore subject that you so graciously agreed to talk on. I will handel the equipment portion of the talk, and how to cross use equipment. The highlight of my presentation will of course be the "spinnaker as drouge demonstration" !!!
Cappy
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Richard Feffer
Re: Spinnaker/Gennaker Seminar
Captain Heinz,
With all due respect to our Fleet Captain, if you should not do well in the race against Captains MacDonald and "Chicken Legs", you're seminar may not be very well attended! In support of the MKII's, I will be there regardless ot the outcome!!!
Richard Feffer
s/v Adamarie
CD30MKII
RichFef@Prodigy.net
With all due respect to our Fleet Captain, if you should not do well in the race against Captains MacDonald and "Chicken Legs", you're seminar may not be very well attended! In support of the MKII's, I will be there regardless ot the outcome!!!
Richard Feffer
s/v Adamarie
CD30MKII
RichFef@Prodigy.net
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Don Carr
The pressure is building on Commodore Heinz
Captain Heinz,
My sympathies are with you. The pressure for your success is mounting. The North U Tactics Seminar is coming up next week in Newport..
Fair Winds
carrds@us.ibm.com
My sympathies are with you. The pressure for your success is mounting. The North U Tactics Seminar is coming up next week in Newport..
Fair Winds
carrds@us.ibm.com
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Jim
Re: Spinnaker/Gennaker on Cape Dory 25D
I use a traditional spinnaker with an ATM "Cuff" that attaches to the furled jib on the headstay. It then uses an adjustable downhaul to control the draft of the sail. I then set up sheets off the clew and sail as a poleless spinnaker/reacher. Of course as has been mentioned dead down wind is not an option but I can easily jibe singlehanded with this arrangement so why not reach at higher angles?
jmyers@styluscentral.com
Bob Dugan wrote: "Cricket" does not have a spinnaker or gennaker. I'd like to get one.
First... does anyone have dimensions for the spinnaker/gennaker's they are using on a CD25D?
Second... I've done some spinnaker sailing, but I like the idea of an asymmetrical spinnaker from a simplicity standpoint. My wife and I had a sailing friend over this weekend to oggle the boat and he said that he was pretty disappointed with the asymmetrical spinnaker because it doesn't really let you sail downwind... they ended buying a true spinnaker.
Third... I'm thinking about getting the spinnaker/gennaker through Bacon Sails... they sure have a large inventory... anybody had any experiences there?
Thanks!
Bob
jmyers@styluscentral.com
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Hanalei
Re: Not in Office 6 months - promotion ? ?
Catain Carr,
I believe you are mistaken, it is "Fleet Captain" Heintz, not "Commodore"! Geez, he's still wet behind the ears ! ! ! Also, has not been tested in battle at sea....we must wait a while.......
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei
I believe you are mistaken, it is "Fleet Captain" Heintz, not "Commodore"! Geez, he's still wet behind the ears ! ! ! Also, has not been tested in battle at sea....we must wait a while.......
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei