I have tried to heave to my CD27, Pagoo, in the conventional manner by backing the jib and tieing the tiller to leeward. Even when I play around with the trim of the main, she continues to sail, not really heaving too. Has anyone used a different approach? Should I drop the jib and heave to under main alone?
crabychap@earthlink.net
heaving to a CD27
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Don Carr
Re: heaving to a CD27
A boat will make some headway while hove to. The trick is to let the main out more while the jib is backed. The theory is that the main will drive the boat to windward then the backed jib does its job of pushing the boat leeward. Once the main and jib are in equilibrium the windward/leeward forces cancel one another and the boat is stabilized at close to zero forward velocity.
When you say she still sails I am assuming that you mean forward.
FWIW
carrds@us.ibm.com
When you say she still sails I am assuming that you mean forward.
FWIW
carrds@us.ibm.com
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Bill Goldsmith
Re: heaving to a CD27
The jib is the sail you need for heaving to. As said, you will make some way while hove to. You can manage it, however. I have found that when heaving to on Second Chance, the main plays little or no role. I have a 135 genoa on a Harken furler. I usually let out just enough sail so that the clew is not chafing on the forward lower shroud, only the sheet is touching. (If heaving to for any length of time, anti chafing would be a good idea here). If the wind is really blowing, I let out less foresail.
I usually tie the tiller off to the leeward winch cleat. I have tried tying it tight, as well as tying it off center, but it only works tied tight.
If you are sailing more than 1/2 knot while hove to, then you should play with the angle of the tiller and the amount of sail you have out (assuming you're on a roller). Try making sure that the jib is REALLY backwinded. If it's loosely backwinded it will act partially like a sail. Get it tight. I've seen some people try to backwind the jib by winching it up to the windward side. You'll be fighting friction against the shrouds. Try this instead: before heaving to, start on the opposite tack by close hauling the jib nice and snug. Then leave it alone while you come about to the desired hove-to tack--immediately move the tiller to the leeward as soon as the backwinded jib fills.
I try to let my main luff in the lee of the jib if having lunch, and if longer, even take it down. If you tighten up the main you will likely make way.
Last fall I was out in the bay with a friend in 20 knot breezes and stupidly idled the engine for little while while heeled, with only 1/2 tank. The filler tube obviously sucked air and the engine stopped. My Yacht Club was on a lee shore and we were only about 200 yards off. I hove to in the above manner while we filled the tank and bled the fuel line (fortunately I had extra fuel on board). As we were hove to, we were being blown toward the lee shore. So without touching the headsail, I pulled in the main to make headway enough to come about, beat up wind for 1/2 mile and hove to again. We did this several times before getting the engine started and motoring into the slip. THe point of the story being that you will make some way while hove to, but you can alternate between sailing close hauled on one tack and heaving to on the other very easily by just coming about, using the main to manage headway.
All the best
Bill Goldsmith
CD27 # 173
Second Chance
goldy@bestweb.net
I usually tie the tiller off to the leeward winch cleat. I have tried tying it tight, as well as tying it off center, but it only works tied tight.
If you are sailing more than 1/2 knot while hove to, then you should play with the angle of the tiller and the amount of sail you have out (assuming you're on a roller). Try making sure that the jib is REALLY backwinded. If it's loosely backwinded it will act partially like a sail. Get it tight. I've seen some people try to backwind the jib by winching it up to the windward side. You'll be fighting friction against the shrouds. Try this instead: before heaving to, start on the opposite tack by close hauling the jib nice and snug. Then leave it alone while you come about to the desired hove-to tack--immediately move the tiller to the leeward as soon as the backwinded jib fills.
I try to let my main luff in the lee of the jib if having lunch, and if longer, even take it down. If you tighten up the main you will likely make way.
Last fall I was out in the bay with a friend in 20 knot breezes and stupidly idled the engine for little while while heeled, with only 1/2 tank. The filler tube obviously sucked air and the engine stopped. My Yacht Club was on a lee shore and we were only about 200 yards off. I hove to in the above manner while we filled the tank and bled the fuel line (fortunately I had extra fuel on board). As we were hove to, we were being blown toward the lee shore. So without touching the headsail, I pulled in the main to make headway enough to come about, beat up wind for 1/2 mile and hove to again. We did this several times before getting the engine started and motoring into the slip. THe point of the story being that you will make some way while hove to, but you can alternate between sailing close hauled on one tack and heaving to on the other very easily by just coming about, using the main to manage headway.
All the best
Bill Goldsmith
CD27 # 173
Second Chance
Bill Chapple wrote: I have tried to heave to my CD27, Pagoo, in the conventional manner by backing the jib and tieing the tiller to leeward. Even when I play around with the trim of the main, she continues to sail, not really heaving too. Has anyone used a different approach? Should I drop the jib and heave to under main alone?
goldy@bestweb.net
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Marino
Re: heaving to a CD27
Having done this most every time out on my Ty, I believe forward motion is important to keep the boat from being thrown out of balance by wave action. The boat needs to maintain an angle going through the waves and if you are completely stopped, the seas may cause the boat to yaw or begin to move backward with the current/tide.
The main may seem depowered but it is crucial to keep the boat from falling off on the new tack. As far as I know, its not possible to heave-to with a main alone. The idea being to balance the ends of the boat with opposing pressure (ie: is it possible to heave-to a Nunsuch?). However, I think some boats may heave-to with a jib alone if they have a large enough rudder to oppose the pressure.
CD's, with the full keel, should be very easy to heave-to (at least the Ty is). It's important to know how to make the boat stop and keep a position unattended in case you get into trouble someday.
Marino Curati
Ty#74 Snug
Cleveland
The main may seem depowered but it is crucial to keep the boat from falling off on the new tack. As far as I know, its not possible to heave-to with a main alone. The idea being to balance the ends of the boat with opposing pressure (ie: is it possible to heave-to a Nunsuch?). However, I think some boats may heave-to with a jib alone if they have a large enough rudder to oppose the pressure.
CD's, with the full keel, should be very easy to heave-to (at least the Ty is). It's important to know how to make the boat stop and keep a position unattended in case you get into trouble someday.
Marino Curati
Ty#74 Snug
Cleveland
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Mark Yashinsky
Re: heaving to a CD27
And guess who got to do the dirty work. Yeah, so Im the engineer. We only had to come about twice even though it was gusting well above 20kts. It was just us and some windsurfers and was a blast.
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Mark YAshinsky
Re: heaving to a CD27
The idea is the jib will catch the wind, as the boat falls off, start moving forward and the rudder will turn you into the wind, where you you stop. Thhis back and forth (small swings) movement will continue, sslloowwllyy driving you forward. When you tried it, how much was it blowing??? Might want to try the first time w/ not too much wind, just to get the hang of it. Like was said, was the jib in tight, the main completely loose and hte rudder HARD over (tiller against the comming boards?)??? Then try slight adjustments to each and see what it does to you. Its very useful (see below).
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Mike Thompson
Re: heaving to a CD27
I sail a CD-28 and heave-to with the genoa. Before heaving-to
I sail close hauled and then I tack but without bring the
genoa across. The genoa is strongly back winded as it is wrapped
around the forward lower shroud. The boat is almost brought to
a stop and in fact is drifting sideways. The effect is amazing
as in a few seconds we go from heavy voilent beating to
absolute calm.
Of course this can only be done in winds suited to sailing with
a genoa.
My attempts to hove-to with the jib have been unsuccessful
as the angle of the jib to the centerline of the boat is
not large enough for a strong backwinding effect. The boat moves
forward at 1 to 2 knots. The CD28 seems too narrow to get a
sufficient angle between the jib and the wind to stop the boat.
Mike
HAVEN CD28
tmike@ma.ultranet.com
I sail close hauled and then I tack but without bring the
genoa across. The genoa is strongly back winded as it is wrapped
around the forward lower shroud. The boat is almost brought to
a stop and in fact is drifting sideways. The effect is amazing
as in a few seconds we go from heavy voilent beating to
absolute calm.
Of course this can only be done in winds suited to sailing with
a genoa.
My attempts to hove-to with the jib have been unsuccessful
as the angle of the jib to the centerline of the boat is
not large enough for a strong backwinding effect. The boat moves
forward at 1 to 2 knots. The CD28 seems too narrow to get a
sufficient angle between the jib and the wind to stop the boat.
Mike
HAVEN CD28
Bill Chapple wrote: I have tried to heave to my CD27, Pagoo, in the conventional manner by backing the jib and tieing the tiller to leeward. Even when I play around with the trim of the main, she continues to sail, not really heaving too. Has anyone used a different approach? Should I drop the jib and heave to under main alone?
tmike@ma.ultranet.com
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Stan W.
Heaving to with club boom
I've never tried it, but it seems like you would need some kind of preventer to hold the club boom to windward of the boat's centerline.
smwheatley@capecod.net
smwheatley@capecod.net
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Andy Denmark