Looked at WM and Defender current display of cabin oil lamps. Some were nice, some were not all that well designed and/or manufactured and all were of a thin brass.
Would anyone have a source for good quality cabin lamps, new or otherwise?
Happy New Year All!!
Fair Winds,
Leo
'Evening Light' CD33 #38
macdore@aol.com
Source of Cabin Oil Lamps
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Lou Ostendorff
Re: Source of Cabin Oil Lamps
Hi Leo;
I've always admired the oil lamps of Den Haan, Rotterdam...you can get them through West Marine, but I think the prices are a little better from BoatUS. They're not cheap, but they are well made and the company has been in the business of providing marine lighting for a long time. Den Haan also has a website with all their oil lamps on display...can't remember the URL but you can find it through a search for Den Haan...good luck!
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
louosten@ipass.net
I've always admired the oil lamps of Den Haan, Rotterdam...you can get them through West Marine, but I think the prices are a little better from BoatUS. They're not cheap, but they are well made and the company has been in the business of providing marine lighting for a long time. Den Haan also has a website with all their oil lamps on display...can't remember the URL but you can find it through a search for Den Haan...good luck!
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
louosten@ipass.net
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Warren Kaplan
Re: Source of Cabin Oil Lamps
Leo,Lou Ostendorff wrote: Hi Leo;
I've always admired the oil lamps of Den Haan, Rotterdam...you can get them through West Marine, but I think the prices are a little better from BoatUS. They're not cheap, but they are well made and the company has been in the business of providing marine lighting for a long time. Den Haan also has a website with all their oil lamps on display...can't remember the URL but you can find it through a search for Den Haan...good luck!
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
A follow up to Lou's post, the URL for Den Haan oil lamps is
http://www.oillampman.com/denhaan.html
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27 #166
Setsail728@aol.com
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Larry DeMers
Re: Source of Cabin Oil Lamps
Leo,
An oil lamp sets the character of the boat, and becomes a central feature of the cabin. We chose the Weems and Plath Brass Yacht Lamp (see URL included below)..10 in. high and beautifully made from a solid block of brass! The fuel container is a machined and finely polished piece of investment brass..and the chimney and burner are quality. We have had ours since day one..12 years now, and we love it.
It will not be bright enough for an anchor light, even though it's construction and windproof-ness seemingly makes it a good candidate. The wick size is just too narrow (1 in.) for that job in my opinion. But as a mood setting device it is unparalleled. On high, it casts enough light to read by, but it is a softer yellower light than say a flourescent light, and is real easy on the eyes at night. We play backgammon and cards by this light many evenings and love it. I truly believe that if DLM was going down, and I had the chance to save two things besides our skins, I would take the light, and a wood inlaid sailing picture my daughter gave us when the boat became ours. Those two items represent our boat to us.
Any of the three lamps pictured at this URL (below) would suffice for your purpose I believe. The smaller yacht lamp would fit the 25D better, but will be fairly stingy with it's light. The 10in. Yacht Lamp fits our CD30 perfectly, just over the galley bulkhead on the port side..just to the right of the stove. We mounted the gimbaled lamp on the cabin wall, using #6 x 1/4 in. flat headed wood screws. We burn liquid parafin lamp oil, which smells like bees wax if anything..it's very clean burning.
It's shown also in West Marines catalog..page 754, top left picture..#191379 $89.95 (about same price as 12 yrs. ago).
This was our Christmas present to DLM the first Christmas, a while ago now. Many memories have been witnessed by that lamp.
sigh.. jeesh, this winter time without sailing ain't what it's cracked up to be..
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Sailing Lake Superior..in thought only nowdays.
demers@sgi.com
An oil lamp sets the character of the boat, and becomes a central feature of the cabin. We chose the Weems and Plath Brass Yacht Lamp (see URL included below)..10 in. high and beautifully made from a solid block of brass! The fuel container is a machined and finely polished piece of investment brass..and the chimney and burner are quality. We have had ours since day one..12 years now, and we love it.
It will not be bright enough for an anchor light, even though it's construction and windproof-ness seemingly makes it a good candidate. The wick size is just too narrow (1 in.) for that job in my opinion. But as a mood setting device it is unparalleled. On high, it casts enough light to read by, but it is a softer yellower light than say a flourescent light, and is real easy on the eyes at night. We play backgammon and cards by this light many evenings and love it. I truly believe that if DLM was going down, and I had the chance to save two things besides our skins, I would take the light, and a wood inlaid sailing picture my daughter gave us when the boat became ours. Those two items represent our boat to us.
Any of the three lamps pictured at this URL (below) would suffice for your purpose I believe. The smaller yacht lamp would fit the 25D better, but will be fairly stingy with it's light. The 10in. Yacht Lamp fits our CD30 perfectly, just over the galley bulkhead on the port side..just to the right of the stove. We mounted the gimbaled lamp on the cabin wall, using #6 x 1/4 in. flat headed wood screws. We burn liquid parafin lamp oil, which smells like bees wax if anything..it's very clean burning.
It's shown also in West Marines catalog..page 754, top left picture..#191379 $89.95 (about same price as 12 yrs. ago).
This was our Christmas present to DLM the first Christmas, a while ago now. Many memories have been witnessed by that lamp.
sigh.. jeesh, this winter time without sailing ain't what it's cracked up to be..
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Sailing Lake Superior..in thought only nowdays.
Leo MacDonald wrote: Looked at WM and Defender current display of cabin oil lamps. Some were nice, some were not all that well designed and/or manufactured and all were of a thin brass.
Would anyone have a source for good quality cabin lamps, new or otherwise?
Happy New Year All!!
Fair Winds,
Leo
'Evening Light' CD33 #38
demers@sgi.com
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: Agree with Captain Demers...
Captain MacDonald,
I agree whole heartedly with what Captain Demers says. The Weams and Plath 10" yacht lamp is the way to go! There are two aboard Hanalei, Port and Starboard in the main cabin, on gimble mounts. They have been on two (2) Cape Dory 30s! First was Preemption, my brothers' CD-30C "B" model and now Hanalei. You can look at them at the BoatUS.com website...item number 320500 10" Yacht Lamp 79.99 and item number 320501 Gimbal mount 38.99.
They are quality lamps, a little tough to keep shiny(but that's what a first is for, right?), they will completely dissemble if necessary and burn for a long time.
If Hanalei ever goes to the breakers, those lamps and her charts are the two things that are definately coming off. OH, AND, I almost forgot,....the WINNING PLAQUE(non-spinaker) for the First Ever Cape Dory race, will also be removed. Hung on the cabin trunk, the lights don't give quite enough light to read by, but they do provide a very cozy, romantic air(yes, I HAVE tested this!) to the vessel. If you removed one from the gimbal and placed it on the table, then you could read.
The cannon has NOT been spiked by the enemy, so it will be at Lonesome Dove during the wetting of the new commanders epaulets(You still have the Bravo flag, right?)...I remain Sir, your most HUMBLE servant.........
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
P.S. Respectively Sir, you and RA may consider a berth for the new Fleet Captain the night of the reception, when we finish with him, I doubt he will be capable of navigating to his home port!! !
I agree whole heartedly with what Captain Demers says. The Weams and Plath 10" yacht lamp is the way to go! There are two aboard Hanalei, Port and Starboard in the main cabin, on gimble mounts. They have been on two (2) Cape Dory 30s! First was Preemption, my brothers' CD-30C "B" model and now Hanalei. You can look at them at the BoatUS.com website...item number 320500 10" Yacht Lamp 79.99 and item number 320501 Gimbal mount 38.99.
They are quality lamps, a little tough to keep shiny(but that's what a first is for, right?), they will completely dissemble if necessary and burn for a long time.
If Hanalei ever goes to the breakers, those lamps and her charts are the two things that are definately coming off. OH, AND, I almost forgot,....the WINNING PLAQUE(non-spinaker) for the First Ever Cape Dory race, will also be removed. Hung on the cabin trunk, the lights don't give quite enough light to read by, but they do provide a very cozy, romantic air(yes, I HAVE tested this!) to the vessel. If you removed one from the gimbal and placed it on the table, then you could read.
The cannon has NOT been spiked by the enemy, so it will be at Lonesome Dove during the wetting of the new commanders epaulets(You still have the Bravo flag, right?)...I remain Sir, your most HUMBLE servant.........
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
P.S. Respectively Sir, you and RA may consider a berth for the new Fleet Captain the night of the reception, when we finish with him, I doubt he will be capable of navigating to his home port!! !
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Lou Ostendorff
Did you know?
Hi Larry;
Yes, the Weems & Plath lamp is beautiful...did you know that it was modelled after the coal miner's flame safety lamp? Such lamps were (are) used aboard marine vessels carrying cargo that might produce explosive atmospheres...here's a link that explains how they work:
www.olde-england.com/minerslamp.htm
Additionally, the Kohler Company still manufactures original lamps for use in coal mines and marine vessels...here is their link:
www.flashlight.com/khflame.htm
Enjoy!
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
louosten@ipass.net
Yes, the Weems & Plath lamp is beautiful...did you know that it was modelled after the coal miner's flame safety lamp? Such lamps were (are) used aboard marine vessels carrying cargo that might produce explosive atmospheres...here's a link that explains how they work:
www.olde-england.com/minerslamp.htm
Additionally, the Kohler Company still manufactures original lamps for use in coal mines and marine vessels...here is their link:
www.flashlight.com/khflame.htm
Enjoy!
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
louosten@ipass.net
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Bill
Re: Did you know?
Hello to All
I have one of the lamps Lou is taling about (coal mine). It was a gift from a friend and it looks just like the marine version. I was wondering if the gimbal mount for the marine version would work on the mine version?
I guess I could just order one and find out.
Happy New Year
Bill
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
I have one of the lamps Lou is taling about (coal mine). It was a gift from a friend and it looks just like the marine version. I was wondering if the gimbal mount for the marine version would work on the mine version?
I guess I could just order one and find out.
Happy New Year
Bill
Lou Ostendorff wrote: Hi Larry;
Yes, the Weems & Plath lamp is beautiful...did you know that it was modelled after the coal miner's flame safety lamp? Such lamps were (are) used aboard marine vessels carrying cargo that might produce explosive atmospheres...here's a link that explains how they work:
www.olde-england.com/minerslamp.htm
Additionally, the Kohler Company still manufactures original lamps for use in coal mines and marine vessels...here is their link:
www.flashlight.com/khflame.htm
Enjoy!
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
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Leo MacDonald
new Fleet Captain reception
My dear Capt. Dave Stump,D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Respectively Sir, you and RA may consider a berth for the new Fleet Captain the night of the reception, when we finish with him, I doubt he will be capable of navigating to his home port!! !
Commanding s/v Hanalei CD-30C,
CDSOA #1 (this may be in serious jeopardy next summer),
I would tend to agree, but the Fleet members have us booked solid the 19th.
How's that saying go? " . . Register early, register often" ?????
Leo MacDonald
NE Fleet Captain, CDSOA Inc. (Until ~1800 19 Jan. 2002)
S/V 'Evening Light' CD33 #38
macdore@aol.com
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Larry DeMers
Re: Did you know?
Now that explanation makes sense, as I have also seen similar designs in the museum ofore mines of northern Minnesota..located in Tower/Sudan, Minn.
Thanks for the historical view.
Larry
demers@sgi.com
Thanks for the historical view.
Larry
Lou Ostendorff wrote: Hi Larry;
Yes, the Weems & Plath lamp is beautiful...did you know that it was modelled after the coal miner's flame safety lamp? Such lamps were (are) used aboard marine vessels carrying cargo that might produce explosive atmospheres...here's a link that explains how they work:
www.olde-england.com/minerslamp.htm
Additionally, the Kohler Company still manufactures original lamps for use in coal mines and marine vessels...here is their link:
www.flashlight.com/khflame.htm
Enjoy!
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
demers@sgi.com
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Larry DeMers
Re: Agree with Captain Demers...
Captain Stump,
When cleaning the W-P oil lamp, I use a wadding polish..comes in a blue metal can, and has a wad of cotton inside, presoaked in a metal polish. I dissassemble the lamp on the salon table (with thick white utility towels on the surface), then begin cleaning with the poish, followed by a buffing with a clean diaper (dare you do otherwise??). I do this every spring before launch, and the lamp shines as new for most of the year. Do not let it go for too long or the tarnish will get buried in it too deeply and become really a problem to remove.
You do want a helathy coating of rubbed wax on it to protect it all year long.
Cheers,
Larry
demers@sgi.com
When cleaning the W-P oil lamp, I use a wadding polish..comes in a blue metal can, and has a wad of cotton inside, presoaked in a metal polish. I dissassemble the lamp on the salon table (with thick white utility towels on the surface), then begin cleaning with the poish, followed by a buffing with a clean diaper (dare you do otherwise??). I do this every spring before launch, and the lamp shines as new for most of the year. Do not let it go for too long or the tarnish will get buried in it too deeply and become really a problem to remove.
You do want a helathy coating of rubbed wax on it to protect it all year long.
Cheers,
Larry
D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Captain MacDonald,
I agree whole heartedly with what Captain Demers says. The Weams and Plath 10" yacht lamp is the way to go! There are two aboard Hanalei, Port and Starboard in the main cabin, on gimble mounts. They have been on two (2) Cape Dory 30s! First was Preemption, my brothers' CD-30C "B" model and now Hanalei. You can look at them at the BoatUS.com website...item number 320500 10" Yacht Lamp 79.99 and item number 320501 Gimbal mount 38.99.
They are quality lamps, a little tough to keep shiny(but that's what a first is for, right?), they will completely dissemble if necessary and burn for a long time.
If Hanalei ever goes to the breakers, those lamps and her charts are the two things that are definately coming off. OH, AND, I almost forgot,....the WINNING PLAQUE(non-spinaker) for the First Ever Cape Dory race, will also be removed. Hung on the cabin trunk, the lights don't give quite enough light to read by, but they do provide a very cozy, romantic air(yes, I HAVE tested this!) to the vessel. If you removed one from the gimbal and placed it on the table, then you could read.
The cannon has NOT been spiked by the enemy, so it will be at Lonesome Dove during the wetting of the new commanders epaulets(You still have the Bravo flag, right?)...I remain Sir, your most HUMBLE servant.........
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
P.S. Respectively Sir, you and RA may consider a berth for the new Fleet Captain the night of the reception, when we finish with him, I doubt he will be capable of navigating to his home port!! !
demers@sgi.com
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: Depends.....
Bill,
Depends on the diameter of the lamp, just above the glass chimney. That's where the pivot point mounting ring is installed. Maybe take it to Boat US or West and eyeball it?
Boy, can ya learn stuff on this site or what?
Dave Stump
Depends on the diameter of the lamp, just above the glass chimney. That's where the pivot point mounting ring is installed. Maybe take it to Boat US or West and eyeball it?
Boy, can ya learn stuff on this site or what?
Dave Stump
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Bill
Re: Agree with Captain Demers...
Larry
Would Brasso work without damaging the lamp's finish? I would think so, but have never used it on a lamp.
Bill
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
Would Brasso work without damaging the lamp's finish? I would think so, but have never used it on a lamp.
Bill
Larry DeMers wrote: Captain Stump,
When cleaning the W-P oil lamp, I use a wadding polish..comes in a blue metal can, and has a wad of cotton inside, presoaked in a metal polish. I dissassemble the lamp on the salon table (with thick white utility towels on the surface), then begin cleaning with the poish, followed by a buffing with a clean diaper (dare you do otherwise??). I do this every spring before launch, and the lamp shines as new for most of the year. Do not let it go for too long or the tarnish will get buried in it too deeply and become really a problem to remove.
You do want a helathy coating of rubbed wax on it to protect it all year long.
Cheers,
Larry
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
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Chris Cram
Re: Agree with Captain Demers...
Yeah
everyone has already said it. The Weems and Plath is a great product. Durable and great looking. click on the link to see mine
Chris
cccobx@prodigy.net
everyone has already said it. The Weems and Plath is a great product. Durable and great looking. click on the link to see mine
Chris
cccobx@prodigy.net
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Larry DeMers
Re: Agree with Captain Demers...
Bill,
You bet it works! The only trouble with it is that you get a lot more of the wax building up in the corners and under edges etc. than when using the wadding wax, so cleaning is slower actually, and it is a bit too abrasive for me. The wadding polish is cheap and faster than brasso in my experience, and is free of abrasives other than the cotton wadding itself. The chemicals do the work for you.
WM and Defender carry the product.
Be certain to use a completely non-abrasive cloth and cleaner on this job, as the finish will scratch irreversibly with anything other than a grit free cleaner.
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
demers@sgi.com
You bet it works! The only trouble with it is that you get a lot more of the wax building up in the corners and under edges etc. than when using the wadding wax, so cleaning is slower actually, and it is a bit too abrasive for me. The wadding polish is cheap and faster than brasso in my experience, and is free of abrasives other than the cotton wadding itself. The chemicals do the work for you.
WM and Defender carry the product.
Be certain to use a completely non-abrasive cloth and cleaner on this job, as the finish will scratch irreversibly with anything other than a grit free cleaner.
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Bill wrote: Larry
Would Brasso work without damaging the lamp's finish? I would think so, but have never used it on a lamp.
Bill
Larry DeMers wrote: Captain Stump,
When cleaning the W-P oil lamp, I use a wadding polish..comes in a blue metal can, and has a wad of cotton inside, presoaked in a metal polish. I dissassemble the lamp on the salon table (with thick white utility towels on the surface), then begin cleaning with the poish, followed by a buffing with a clean diaper (dare you do otherwise??). I do this every spring before launch, and the lamp shines as new for most of the year. Do not let it go for too long or the tarnish will get buried in it too deeply and become really a problem to remove.
You do want a helathy coating of rubbed wax on it to protect it all year long.
Cheers,
Larry
demers@sgi.com
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Steve Alarcon
Re: Source of Cabin Oil Lamps
Larry,
We also have the 10" W&P lamp. But I seem to be missing something. When lit, ours will burn normal for about 5 minutes, then the flame shrinks to nothing. I've tried readjusting, but the problem continues. We have three other oil lamps (one suspended above the table, and two bulkhead mounted) and have no difficulty with any of them. Am using the same oil in all. Any suggestions?
Steve Alarcon
CD36 Tenacity
Seattle
alarcon3@prodigy.net
We also have the 10" W&P lamp. But I seem to be missing something. When lit, ours will burn normal for about 5 minutes, then the flame shrinks to nothing. I've tried readjusting, but the problem continues. We have three other oil lamps (one suspended above the table, and two bulkhead mounted) and have no difficulty with any of them. Am using the same oil in all. Any suggestions?
Steve Alarcon
CD36 Tenacity
Seattle
alarcon3@prodigy.net