Hello again. This board is great! I'm wrapping things up with the owner of this 25D and have one more thing I need to clear up before we agree on a final price.
The survey yesterday may have turned up something disturbing. The head is connected to a Y valve that either goes to a holding tank or to a thru-hull.
The holding tank is under the engine. You can access it by opening a small cap located just in front of the engine behind the stairs.
It appears that the only way you can empty the holding tank is by going to a pump out station and connecting a hose to an opening on
the forward port side corner of the cockpit.
I was hoping there would be a way to pump the holding tank out!
Is this normal? If so, how have other people solved this pump out problem.
Thanks!
Bob.
dugan@cs.rpi.edu
Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Bill
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
Hello Bob
My boat doesnt even have the thru hull. The Only way to empty the holding tank is via pump out....
Depending upon where you are sailing, this could be good or it could be bad....
Most areas (maybe all) have regulations to prevent pumping directly over board amymore, and from what I have read (never actually sailed there) Florida is REALLY BAD about checking to see if you have the ability to pump directly overboard. Surely someone from that area will chime in here.
This setup is certainly is not a determint (sp) to the boat. It may create a pain in the rear (pun intended) from time to time, but thats a pretty typical installation.
Fair Winds and Good Luck with your new boat.
Bill
Captain Commanding
S/V Rhapsody (the Original)
CD25D #148
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
My boat doesnt even have the thru hull. The Only way to empty the holding tank is via pump out....
Depending upon where you are sailing, this could be good or it could be bad....
Most areas (maybe all) have regulations to prevent pumping directly over board amymore, and from what I have read (never actually sailed there) Florida is REALLY BAD about checking to see if you have the ability to pump directly overboard. Surely someone from that area will chime in here.
This setup is certainly is not a determint (sp) to the boat. It may create a pain in the rear (pun intended) from time to time, but thats a pretty typical installation.
Fair Winds and Good Luck with your new boat.
Bill
Captain Commanding
S/V Rhapsody (the Original)
CD25D #148
Bob Dugan wrote: Hello again. This board is great! I'm wrapping things up with the owner of this 25D and have one more thing I need to clear up before we agree on a final price.
The survey yesterday may have turned up something disturbing. The head is connected to a Y valve that either goes to a holding tank or to a thru-hull.
The holding tank is under the engine. You can access it by opening a small cap located just in front of the engine behind the stairs.
It appears that the only way you can empty the holding tank is by going to a pump out station and connecting a hose to an opening on
the forward port side corner of the cockpit.
I was hoping there would be a way to pump the holding tank out!
Is this normal? If so, how have other people solved this pump out problem.
Thanks!
Bob.
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
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Randy
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
Hull #10 has the Y-valve configuration. The only other way to clear the holding tank is manually. Use a HandyBilge pump w/hose extension weighted at the pickup end and pump out the tank into your choice of buckets........If it's a warm day....be sure you have EVERY port and hatch opened and PRAY for a strong breeze.
Best thing I've found to contain the c.... (mmmm..."stuff") is the lidded clumping cat litter buckets of approx 4-5 gal capacity. You'll need 4 of them as the holding tank capacity is about 22 gals.
Now I know some of you will ask what you do with the full buckets.....but that's another story.
RJcapedory@aol.com
Best thing I've found to contain the c.... (mmmm..."stuff") is the lidded clumping cat litter buckets of approx 4-5 gal capacity. You'll need 4 of them as the holding tank capacity is about 22 gals.
Now I know some of you will ask what you do with the full buckets.....but that's another story.
RJcapedory@aol.com
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Clay Stalker
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
Hi Bob-Bob Dugan wrote: Hello again. This board is great! I'm wrapping things up with the owner of this 25D and have one more thing I need to clear up before we agree on a final price.
The survey yesterday may have turned up something disturbing. The head is connected to a Y valve that either goes to a holding tank or to a thru-hull.
The holding tank is under the engine. You can access it by opening a small cap located just in front of the engine behind the stairs.
It appears that the only way you can empty the holding tank is by going to a pump out station and connecting a hose to an opening on
the forward port side corner of the cockpit.
I was hoping there would be a way to pump the holding tank out!
Is this normal? If so, how have other people solved this pump out problem.
Thanks!
Bob.
I have the same arrangement on my CD27 and it works well for me. I would also prefer to be able to pump the tank overboard when out to sea, but do not have this option at this point. I generally just pump into the tank and have it pumped out weekly or as I'm able. Fortunately, Narragansett Bay has a number of pumpouts, but they don't all work. The Bristol Harbor Master's office takes care of Bristol Harbor, so things seem to be reliable here. If I'm offshore, I just pump directly overboard. I am satified with this arrangement, and I would just make sure the Y-valve works correctly, because mine didn't when I bought my boat so I had to change it. Messy job! Good luck.
Clay Stalker
cstalker@cheshire.net
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Larry DeMers
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
The pump-out fitting on deck is the normal way we all pump out..unless i am misunderstanding your questions..;^)
To pump to sea without a diverter valve, use a hand-operated 'bilge pump' with appropriate fittings to match the deck mounted pump-out fitting..available from Edson amongst others. In your case, what you observe as a "small cap located just in front of the engine behind the stairs", is probably the cleanout port.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Sailing Lake Superior
demers@sgi.com
To pump to sea without a diverter valve, use a hand-operated 'bilge pump' with appropriate fittings to match the deck mounted pump-out fitting..available from Edson amongst others. In your case, what you observe as a "small cap located just in front of the engine behind the stairs", is probably the cleanout port.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Sailing Lake Superior
Bob Dugan wrote: Hello again. This board is great! I'm wrapping things up with the owner of this 25D and have one more thing I need to clear up before we agree on a final price.
The survey yesterday may have turned up something disturbing. The head is connected to a Y valve that either goes to a holding tank or to a thru-hull.
The holding tank is under the engine. You can access it by opening a small cap located just in front of the engine behind the stairs.
It appears that the only way you can empty the holding tank is by going to a pump out station and connecting a hose to an opening on
the forward port side corner of the cockpit.
I was hoping there would be a way to pump the holding tank out!
Is this normal? If so, how have other people solved this pump out problem.
Thanks!
Bob.
demers@sgi.com
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Ken Coit
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
When we bought Parfait, she was plumbed with a Y-valve, loop, vacuum breaker, through hull and a hose to the tank from the other Y-valve outlet. I have replumbed temporarily such that the head only feeds the tank. The smells are gone even though most of the hose is still in place. Loops and low spots are not what you want in this situation. We have the same arrangement for pumping out and it is accomplished by finding a working station. The local only one I know of is at the Beaufort Town Docks. Eventually I will add hose and a pump so I can pump overboard when at sea. If the pump fails at sea, I will re-plumb into an emergency configuration or use an oak bucket.
West Marine shows several arrangements on their site and gives their views. I like simple myself.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit
CD/36 Parfait
Raleigh, NC
PPPPparfait@nc.rr.com
West Marine shows several arrangements on their site and gives their views. I like simple myself.
Keep on sailing,
Ken Coit
CD/36 Parfait
Raleigh, NC
Bob Dugan wrote: Hello again. This board is great! I'm wrapping things up with the owner of this 25D and have one more thing I need to clear up before we agree on a final price.
The survey yesterday may have turned up something disturbing. The head is connected to a Y valve that either goes to a holding tank or to a thru-hull.
The holding tank is under the engine. You can access it by opening a small cap located just in front of the engine behind the stairs.
It appears that the only way you can empty the holding tank is by going to a pump out station and connecting a hose to an opening on
the forward port side corner of the cockpit.
I was hoping there would be a way to pump the holding tank out!
Is this normal? If so, how have other people solved this pump out problem.
Thanks!
Bob.
PPPPparfait@nc.rr.com
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Lou Ostendorff
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
Hello Bob and Others;
Well, it certainly looks like you're smack in the middle of '25D stuff' !!! In the Cape Dory Manual it gives two options for the head on a 25D; 'Head plumbing with optional overboard discharge' and 'Head plumbing with optional y-valve discharge'...it appears that you have the latter. The only way to empty the holding tank on this system is via the cockpit pumpout. On the other system, a 'pipe tee' was placed at the holding tank, allowing manual pumpout of the holding tank from a bulkhead mounted diaphram pump in the cockpit. This is the arrangement I have on Karma and it works well. Seems like you could modify your existing arrangement to mirror the optional overboard pumpout...you would need to empty your holding tank and install the tee fitting, along with some additional plumbing and the cockpit pump, but it should be able to be done. For the record, the standard capacity of the glassed-in holding tank under the engine was (is) approximately 11 gallons. Others may have changed this capacity with modifications. Good Luck!
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
louosten@ipass.net
Well, it certainly looks like you're smack in the middle of '25D stuff' !!! In the Cape Dory Manual it gives two options for the head on a 25D; 'Head plumbing with optional overboard discharge' and 'Head plumbing with optional y-valve discharge'...it appears that you have the latter. The only way to empty the holding tank on this system is via the cockpit pumpout. On the other system, a 'pipe tee' was placed at the holding tank, allowing manual pumpout of the holding tank from a bulkhead mounted diaphram pump in the cockpit. This is the arrangement I have on Karma and it works well. Seems like you could modify your existing arrangement to mirror the optional overboard pumpout...you would need to empty your holding tank and install the tee fitting, along with some additional plumbing and the cockpit pump, but it should be able to be done. For the record, the standard capacity of the glassed-in holding tank under the engine was (is) approximately 11 gallons. Others may have changed this capacity with modifications. Good Luck!
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
louosten@ipass.net
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Jack King
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
Lou,
Now I'm even more confused. I own a 1983 CD 27, with the holding tank located below the engine. The inspection hatch is under the floor bridge between the bilge and the engine steps (appears to be similar to the 25D). Because we do not have any pump out facilities within easy reach, I discontected the marine head and installed a porta-potty for week-end use. All is well.
My question is this. For some reason, I was under the assumption that the holding tank was 6 gallons. From what you indicate its 11 gallons. Another post in the thread (Randy hull #10) indicates that it is 22 gallons.
The original CD Manual states that on the CD-28 and 30 (1983 remember) the holding tank is 24 gallons and located under the V-Berth. I quote from the manual,"The other models (25D, and 27) have tanks located under the bilge". Nowhere can I actually find the capacity of the holding tank. 1) Is the holding tank the same on the 25D and 27? 2) Does it have the same capacity? 3) And, finally, what might that capacity be?
Thanks.
Jack King
Artesani, CD27 (#267,'83)
Artesani@mindpsring.com
Now I'm even more confused. I own a 1983 CD 27, with the holding tank located below the engine. The inspection hatch is under the floor bridge between the bilge and the engine steps (appears to be similar to the 25D). Because we do not have any pump out facilities within easy reach, I discontected the marine head and installed a porta-potty for week-end use. All is well.
My question is this. For some reason, I was under the assumption that the holding tank was 6 gallons. From what you indicate its 11 gallons. Another post in the thread (Randy hull #10) indicates that it is 22 gallons.
The original CD Manual states that on the CD-28 and 30 (1983 remember) the holding tank is 24 gallons and located under the V-Berth. I quote from the manual,"The other models (25D, and 27) have tanks located under the bilge". Nowhere can I actually find the capacity of the holding tank. 1) Is the holding tank the same on the 25D and 27? 2) Does it have the same capacity? 3) And, finally, what might that capacity be?
Thanks.
Jack King
Artesani, CD27 (#267,'83)
Artesani@mindpsring.com
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Lou Ostendorff
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
Hi Jack;
Sorry for the confusion, but I'm basically quoting the capacity of the holding tank straight out of the CD25D manual. It states the capacity as 'approximately 11 gallons'...I have not verified this directly, but I can get about 3 weekends usage out of an empty tank before I start thinking about a visit to the pumpout facility. This seems on par with the stated capacity. I would 'expect' that the CD27 holding tank would be larger, but I have no experience there. Like I said in the previous post, all CD25Ds should have the same built-in capacity, before modifications. It is also possible that the original owners of some 25Ds specified larger holding tanks during construction. Hope this helps.
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
louosten@ipass.net
Sorry for the confusion, but I'm basically quoting the capacity of the holding tank straight out of the CD25D manual. It states the capacity as 'approximately 11 gallons'...I have not verified this directly, but I can get about 3 weekends usage out of an empty tank before I start thinking about a visit to the pumpout facility. This seems on par with the stated capacity. I would 'expect' that the CD27 holding tank would be larger, but I have no experience there. Like I said in the previous post, all CD25Ds should have the same built-in capacity, before modifications. It is also possible that the original owners of some 25Ds specified larger holding tanks during construction. Hope this helps.
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
louosten@ipass.net
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Randy
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
+++ OK.....maybe I should remeasure the capacity of my Kitty litter buckets...they weighed 22dry lbs, and it took 5 trips to empty the holding tank. So I was a bit optimistic about the holding tank's capacity..or my cats' urinary ability..I will concede the 11 gal capacity of the holding tank, but when you're pumping it out with no breeze and only a face mask,,,,,,,life can be kind of fuzzyLou Ostendorff wrote: Hi Jack;
Sorry for the confusion, but I'm basically quoting the capacity of the holding tank straight out of the CD25D manual. It states the capacity as 'approximately 11 gallons'...I have not verified this directly, but I can get about 3 weekends usage out of an empty tank before I start thinking about a visit to the pumpout facility. This seems on par with the stated capacity. I would 'expect' that the CD27 holding tank would be larger, but I have no experience there. Like I said in the previous post, all CD25Ds should have the same built-in capacity, before modifications. It is also possible that the original owners of some 25Ds specified larger holding tanks during construction. Hope this helps.
Lou Ostendorff
Karma, CD25D
#63, '82
Randy #10 Serenata
RJcapedory@aol.com
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will Parker
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
My Cape Dory 30C ("B" Plan) has a holding tank (about 10 gallons) located in the bilge, just forward of the engine. I can access the inspection plate (on top of the tank) via a removable block in the cabin sole. There is a pump-out hose from the tank through the oil drip pan under the engine to a deck fitting in the cockpit sole. Only way to pump the tank is at a pump-out station. This is the worst feature of the CD30C (B Plan). It does not encourage faithful use of the holding tank. Other CD 30's have a larger holding tank located under the V berth, with deck pump-outs.
Someday, someone is going to solve this problem for all of us, along with a sure-fire way to prevent barnacle growth on our props.
Will
"Jambalaya"
CD 30C ("B")
Hull # 358
whildenp@flinet.com
Someday, someone is going to solve this problem for all of us, along with a sure-fire way to prevent barnacle growth on our props.
Will
"Jambalaya"
CD 30C ("B")
Hull # 358
Bob Dugan wrote: Hello again. This board is great! I'm wrapping things up with the owner of this 25D and have one more thing I need to clear up before we agree on a final price.
The survey yesterday may have turned up something disturbing. The head is connected to a Y valve that either goes to a holding tank or to a thru-hull.
The holding tank is under the engine. You can access it by opening a small cap located just in front of the engine behind the stairs.
It appears that the only way you can empty the holding tank is by going to a pump out station and connecting a hose to an opening on
the forward port side corner of the cockpit.
I was hoping there would be a way to pump the holding tank out!
Is this normal? If so, how have other people solved this pump out problem.
Thanks!
Bob.
whildenp@flinet.com
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John Sill
Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
I have the same arrangement as discussed in one other reply: The outlet from the holding tank "Ts" to a deck plate (for a pumpout station) and via a 1 1/2" manual pump to a sea cock. Consequently all waste goes into the holding tank, and can the be pumped out at a station or manually overboard.
I believe that a "Y" arrangement before the holding tank will get you a fine if ever found unlocked in US waters whereas my arrangement passed MD DNR inspection without a problem.
John Sill
Beholder's Eye
CD-31
johnesill@cs.com
I believe that a "Y" arrangement before the holding tank will get you a fine if ever found unlocked in US waters whereas my arrangement passed MD DNR inspection without a problem.
John Sill
Beholder's Eye
CD-31
johnesill@cs.com
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Ken Coit
Question: Re: Mystified by 25D Holding Tank
With the arrangement described, the effluent always going to the holding tank first, some are using Y-valves to select between the pump out fitting in the cockpit sole and the hand pump for overboard discharge at sea. Is this necessary, or is the seal on the cockpit sole fitting good enough to allow a vacuum to be pulled on the holding tank with the manual pump?
I'd like to avoid the Y-valve if possible, but I really only want to do this job once, so experimentation is out-of-bounds.
While I am at it, has anyone else replumbed their 36 for a manual pump out? If so, how did you route the hose, mount the pump, etc.? I am thinking of running the hose back to the head and using the original thru-hull, but it is going to be a pain.
Thanks,
Ken
CD/36 Parfait
Raleigh, NC
PPPparfait@nc.rr.com
I'd like to avoid the Y-valve if possible, but I really only want to do this job once, so experimentation is out-of-bounds.
While I am at it, has anyone else replumbed their 36 for a manual pump out? If so, how did you route the hose, mount the pump, etc.? I am thinking of running the hose back to the head and using the original thru-hull, but it is going to be a pain.
Thanks,
Ken
CD/36 Parfait
Raleigh, NC
John Sill wrote: I have the same arrangement as discussed in one other reply: The outlet from the holding tank "Ts" to a deck plate (for a pumpout station) and via a 1 1/2" manual pump to a sea cock. Consequently all waste goes into the holding tank, and can the be pumped out at a station or manually overboard.
I believe that a "Y" arrangement before the holding tank will get you a fine if ever found unlocked in US waters whereas my arrangement passed MD DNR inspection without a problem.
John Sill
Beholder's Eye
CD-31
PPPparfait@nc.rr.com