Thought you might be interested in this. A while ago I made an offer on a CD28. At the time I only knew it was a '74 model, I did not know it was hull#1. I had a survey done on the boat a couple of Mondays ago. Unfortunately the boat had been neglected, It needed a lot of cosmetic, time consuming, work done. But I'm fairly handy and the price seemed right, so I had a survey done. here is a quick synopsis of the results.
Deck: Topsides Ok with a few soft spots. Most of the stanchions needed to be rebedded, All of the teak needed to be either refinished or replaced, mostly the latter. The bowsprit needed to be replaced.
The standing rigging appeared to be in fairly good shapw. Running rigging needed to be replaced. Needed new dock lines. I did not get a chance to look at the anchor rode.
Accomodation: Needed a major cleaning. The head leaked. Headliner had some cracks in it. The Electric placed hapazardly. Part of the interior had been refinished, the rest needed to be. Stove an old propane unit, needed new propane tank and fittings, pressure water but the pump no longer worked. refrigeration worked ok. no bilge pumps in the boat. cushions needed to be replaced or recovered. The v-berth had a nice custom mattress.
Sails: Roller furling 150 genoa and several others. All but the spinnaker were rather old and tired, while still useable they would probably need to be replaced soon.
Engine: repowered with a 20hp Yanmar in '98, the owner said less than 400hours (not documented) on it. Needed all new batteries.
When I had the boat hauled a few serious problems appeared. The Rudder was waterlogged. At a minimum, it needed to be drained, and reglassed. There were only a couple of hull blisters but many gelcoat blisters. A new prop is needed. The drive shaft had electrolysis corrosion and needed to be replaced. And not unexpectedly it need a new bottom job.
When the surveyor had finished he mentioned that it was hull #1.
I offered to split the cost of the rudder and drive shaft with the owner but he declined. So I'll keep looking around.
For someone with the time and money, It could be turned into a great
boat. It is shame to see a piece of CD history go to waste.
I believe the boat is still for sale through Whitneys Marine in Jacksonville, Fl. It is on their website
Good Sailing
Phil
prh142@aol.com
cd28 hull#1 surveyed
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Clay Stalker
Re: cd28 hull#1 surveyed
Phil-Phil wrote: Thought you might be interested in this. A while ago I made an offer on a CD28. At the time I only knew it was a '74 model, I did not know it was hull#1. I had a survey done on the boat a couple of Mondays ago. Unfortunately the boat had been neglected, It needed a lot of cosmetic, time consuming, work done. But I'm fairly handy and the price seemed right, so I had a survey done. here is a quick synopsis of the results.
Deck: Topsides Ok with a few soft spots. Most of the stanchions needed to be rebedded, All of the teak needed to be either refinished or replaced, mostly the latter. The bowsprit needed to be replaced.
The standing rigging appeared to be in fairly good shapw. Running rigging needed to be replaced. Needed new dock lines. I did not get a chance to look at the anchor rode.
Accomodation: Needed a major cleaning. The head leaked. Headliner had some cracks in it. The Electric placed hapazardly. Part of the interior had been refinished, the rest needed to be. Stove an old propane unit, needed new propane tank and fittings, pressure water but the pump no longer worked. refrigeration worked ok. no bilge pumps in the boat. cushions needed to be replaced or recovered. The v-berth had a nice custom mattress.
Sails: Roller furling 150 genoa and several others. All but the spinnaker were rather old and tired, while still useable they would probably need to be replaced soon.
Engine: repowered with a 20hp Yanmar in '98, the owner said less than 400hours (not documented) on it. Needed all new batteries.
When I had the boat hauled a few serious problems appeared. The Rudder was waterlogged. At a minimum, it needed to be drained, and reglassed. There were only a couple of hull blisters but many gelcoat blisters. A new prop is needed. The drive shaft had electrolysis corrosion and needed to be replaced. And not unexpectedly it need a new bottom job.
When the surveyor had finished he mentioned that it was hull #1.
I offered to split the cost of the rudder and drive shaft with the owner but he declined. So I'll keep looking around.
For someone with the time and money, It could be turned into a great
boat. It is shame to see a piece of CD history go to waste.
I believe the boat is still for sale through Whitneys Marine in Jacksonville, Fl. It is on their website
Good Sailing
Phil
Thanks for the post...interesting to read. It was interesting to note that the owner had replaced the engine, a huge expense, but neglected so many other costly things. It sounds like the engine is the most valuable part of the boat at this point...some of the work not too costly other than time, but some of it, like the rudder, pumps, etc. can run into big bucks. I would also be somewhat concerned about soft spots on deck, but this can be fixed also if they are not too extensive. Hard to price this thing...may not be worth more than 6-7 thousand because of the extent of repairs needed. Even a total restoration may not bring the dollar value higher than 22,000 or so, so it would sure have to be love! But, then again, Cape Dories can do this to a person.....
Clay Stalker
cstalker@cheshire.net
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Will W.
Gel Coat blisters are the beginning of the end.
I was readind up on how to fix the floor of my cockpit on my CD25 when I read a section that sparked a memory of your recounting of the survey on CD28 #1. The following passage is taken word for word from the West System Fiberglass boat repair manual.
SEC. 1.1.5 Hydrollysis and gelcoat blisters
The repair proceedures in this manual addess problems most often associated with machanical damage-abraision, bending, fatigue ,impacts and resulting water damage to cores or other stuctural components. Anouther type of damage common to fiberglass boats is chemical in nature. Hydrolysis (and it's symptom, gelcoat blisters) is a widespread and growing problem in the fiberglass boat world.
Hydrolysis is more than a cosmetic problem. Water soluble materials in a polyester resin laminate mix with moisture that has penetrated the laminate to create an acidic fluid. The fluid collects in cavities under the gelcoat layer to form blisters. This acidic mixture also attacks the polyester resin, severing the chemical bonds that hold the resin matrix together, as well as the resin to fiber bonds. Once hydrolysis has started in a polyerster hull, the hull's strenghth has been compromised and the potential for serious additional hydrolysis will never go away.
If you own a fiberglass boat built with polyester resin, you should be aware that the potential for this problem is high, especially in warmer climates.....( I knew there had to be some down side for those yearround guys down south).
It goes on to say that you can fix this problem with the West System Products. However given the serious nature of hydrolysis I would only consider even trying to fix this problem if the boat was practically given to me; since the potential never goes away. I would definatly pass on this one Since it doesn't seem that the seller is going to be dropping the price to reflect the fact that the boat is in serious trouble.
Buyers be ware. If you had not done the survey and only relied on the owners info you may have been stuck with an expensive, extensive problem. I suspect that this seller will just wait for a less wary buyer rather than lower the price or fix the problems. Too bad. It is a shame to see this piece of Cape Dory history in such a codition. Maybe one day the CDSOA will be able to buy things like this and put them in a museum. I hereby voulonteer to pay ten more dollars a year to facilitate such purchases and said museum.
Link to West System below.
Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25
willwheatley@starpower.net
SEC. 1.1.5 Hydrollysis and gelcoat blisters
The repair proceedures in this manual addess problems most often associated with machanical damage-abraision, bending, fatigue ,impacts and resulting water damage to cores or other stuctural components. Anouther type of damage common to fiberglass boats is chemical in nature. Hydrolysis (and it's symptom, gelcoat blisters) is a widespread and growing problem in the fiberglass boat world.
Hydrolysis is more than a cosmetic problem. Water soluble materials in a polyester resin laminate mix with moisture that has penetrated the laminate to create an acidic fluid. The fluid collects in cavities under the gelcoat layer to form blisters. This acidic mixture also attacks the polyester resin, severing the chemical bonds that hold the resin matrix together, as well as the resin to fiber bonds. Once hydrolysis has started in a polyerster hull, the hull's strenghth has been compromised and the potential for serious additional hydrolysis will never go away.
If you own a fiberglass boat built with polyester resin, you should be aware that the potential for this problem is high, especially in warmer climates.....( I knew there had to be some down side for those yearround guys down south).
It goes on to say that you can fix this problem with the West System Products. However given the serious nature of hydrolysis I would only consider even trying to fix this problem if the boat was practically given to me; since the potential never goes away. I would definatly pass on this one Since it doesn't seem that the seller is going to be dropping the price to reflect the fact that the boat is in serious trouble.
Buyers be ware. If you had not done the survey and only relied on the owners info you may have been stuck with an expensive, extensive problem. I suspect that this seller will just wait for a less wary buyer rather than lower the price or fix the problems. Too bad. It is a shame to see this piece of Cape Dory history in such a codition. Maybe one day the CDSOA will be able to buy things like this and put them in a museum. I hereby voulonteer to pay ten more dollars a year to facilitate such purchases and said museum.
Link to West System below.
Will Wheatley
Suzi Q
CD25
Phil wrote: Thought you might be interested in this. A while ago I made an offer on a CD28. At the time I only knew it was a '74 model, I did not know it was hull#1. I had a survey done on the boat a couple of Mondays ago. Unfortunately the boat had been neglected, It needed a lot of cosmetic, time consuming, work done. But I'm fairly handy and the price seemed right, so I had a survey done. here is a quick synopsis of the results.
Deck: Topsides Ok with a few soft spots. Most of the stanchions needed to be rebedded, All of the teak needed to be either refinished or replaced, mostly the latter. The bowsprit needed to be replaced.
The standing rigging appeared to be in fairly good shapw. Running rigging needed to be replaced. Needed new dock lines. I did not get a chance to look at the anchor rode.
Accomodation: Needed a major cleaning. The head leaked. Headliner had some cracks in it. The Electric placed hapazardly. Part of the interior had been refinished, the rest needed to be. Stove an old propane unit, needed new propane tank and fittings, pressure water but the pump no longer worked. refrigeration worked ok. no bilge pumps in the boat. cushions needed to be replaced or recovered. The v-berth had a nice custom mattress.
Sails: Roller furling 150 genoa and several others. All but the spinnaker were rather old and tired, while still useable they would probably need to be replaced soon.
Engine: repowered with a 20hp Yanmar in '98, the owner said less than 400hours (not documented) on it. Needed all new batteries.
When I had the boat hauled a few serious problems appeared. The Rudder was waterlogged. At a minimum, it needed to be drained, and reglassed. There were only a couple of hull blisters but many gelcoat blisters. A new prop is needed. The drive shaft had electrolysis corrosion and needed to be replaced. And not unexpectedly it need a new bottom job.
When the surveyor had finished he mentioned that it was hull #1.
I offered to split the cost of the rudder and drive shaft with the owner but he declined. So I'll keep looking around.
For someone with the time and money, It could be turned into a great
boat. It is shame to see a piece of CD history go to waste.
I believe the boat is still for sale through Whitneys Marine in Jacksonville, Fl. It is on their website
Good Sailing
Phil
willwheatley@starpower.net