Cape Dory 25D Questions

[Bob Dugan]

Hello,

My wife and I are in the process of buying a Cape Dory 25D. We have a couple of questions for you experts/owners out there. Anything you want to take a stab at here would be great!

TRAILER OR NO?
==============
The owner is selling a trailer along with the boat. We'd like to store the boat at our house off season, but we don't own a vehicle large enough to tow 6000lbs (boat + trailer). I called a few yards and the cost to bring the boat to the house with or without this custom trailer is the same. Is there an advantage to the trailer that I'm missing? The trailer is brand new... so it's a little pricey.

SHORTENED MAINSAIL
==================
Apparently a previous owner raised the boom 10 inches to avoid ducking during tacking and jibing. I'm assuming that this handiwork decreased the mainsail size by 10 inches times the length of the boom. Is that a big deal?

SHORTENED TILLER
================
Presumably to free up cockpit space, a previous owner shortened the tiller. I'm wondering about the physics of this. The shorter the tiller, the less leverage I'm going to have. I like the idea of extra cockpit space... maybe I should look into some kind of solid tiller extension.

NO. 3 JIB & ROLLER FURLING
==========================
The boat has two headsails... a 150% genoa on a roller furler, and a No. 3 jib. The current owner has never used the No. 3, and doesn't think that it would work with the roller furler. I'm assuming that the No. 3 hanks on to the forestay... which now looks like thick rod rigging thanks to the roller furler. Anyone have work around ideas for this?

CHART TABLE
===========
We like them. The 25D doesn't have one, but that whole galley area with the ice box, stove, and storage area behind the stove looks like a great opportunity for some custom wood work for a chart table. Has anyone attempted this?

FUN ONE: LONGEST DISTANCE SAILED
================================
We're wondering if anyone has sailed a 25D across the Atlantic, Pacific, or even around the world???

Thanks!

Becky and Bob Dugan



dugan@cs.rpi.edu

[Dennis Ward]

Hello,

My wife and I are in the process of buying a Cape Dory 25D. We have a couple of questions for you experts/owners out there. Anything you want to take a stab at here would be great!

TRAILER OR NO?
==============
The owner is selling a trailer along with the boat. We'd like to store the boat at our house off season, but we don't own a vehicle large enough to tow 6000lbs (boat + trailer). I called a few yards and the cost to bring the boat to the house with or without this custom trailer is the same. Is there an advantage to the trailer that I'm missing? The trailer is brand new... so it's a little pricey.

Becky & Bob,
I have a trailer for my 25D and think it is really worth it. We bring the boat home for bottom jobs and other work that requires lots of tools and time. Before I bought a truck to tow with, I used a U-Haul truck at about $18 a day for local use.





















































































































































































































dward34@aristotle.net

[Bob Dugan]

Becky & Bob,
I have a trailer for my 25D and think it is really worth it. We bring the boat home for bottom jobs and other work that requires lots of tools and time. Before I bought a truck to tow with, I used a U-Haul truck at about $18 a day for local use.

Dennis,

Thanks for your reply. I actually called U-Haul and they don't have a problem with hooking a trailer up to the back of one of their trucks... as long as it weighs less than 5000lbs. With the boat and the trailer together, I'm estimating it's 6,000 lbs. Am I being too conservative?

Bob



dugan@cs.rpi.edu

[Bill]

Hello Bob and Becky

RE: Trailer - I would kill for a trailer for my 25D. If you dont want it let me know...I think that a trailer for the 25D for mobility, maintenance, and storage purposes it a great idea and a VERY BIG PLUS should you ever decide to sell. Buy a friend with a truck a six pack of Captain Stumpy's Grog (after the move) to move the boat for you.

TRAILER OR NO?
==============
The owner is selling a trailer along with the boat. We'd like to store the boat at our house off season, but we don't own a vehicle large enough to tow 6000lbs (boat + trailer). I called a few yards and the cost to bring the boat to the house with or without this custom trailer is the same. Is there an advantage to the trailer that I'm missing? The trailer is brand new... so it's a little pricey.

RE: Shortened Mains'l

This might be of concern!!! Is the process reverseable? Can the main be returned to the original size? (check loft for pricing)

SHORTENED MAINSAIL
==================
Apparently a previous owner raised the boom 10 inches to avoid ducking during tacking and jibing. I'm assuming that this handiwork decreased the mainsail size by 10 inches times the length of the boom. Is that a big deal?

RE: Tiller - I store my tiller in the upright position (interlocked in the main sheet) when not in use. This allows for plenty of cockpit space. And as you suggest, you will notice the differance in "phycis" with the shorter tiller. Eventually you could replace it.

SHORTENED TILLER
================
Presumably to free up cockpit space, a previous owner shortened the tiller. I'm wondering about the physics of this. The shorter the tiller, the less leverage I'm going to have. I like the idea of extra cockpit space... maybe I should look into some kind of solid tiller extension.

RE: CHART TABLE - I built a removable bi-fold chart table that mounts outboard of the trash bin (behind the galley stove) with snap hinges. When folded out it covers the trash bin and the galley stove. It is big enough to hold a BBA Chart Kit and works great! It can be removed when not in use. (the next time I am on the boat I'll try to remember to get a pic with the digital camer for you if interested).

CHART TABLE
===========
We like them. The 25D doesn't have one, but that whole galley area with the ice box, stove, and storage area behind the stove looks like a great opportunity for some custom wood work for a chart table. Has anyone attempted this?

Hope this helps

Fair Winds and Happy Holidays

Bill
S/V Rhapsody (the Original)
CD25D #148




cd25d@rhapsodysails.com

[Bill]

With the boat and the trailer together, I'm estimating it's 6,000 lbs. Am I being too conservative?

Bob

I am not sure that for short hauls that that would be of too much of a concern. I guess that would depend on the amount of traffic, teh distance, and the roads. Remember that the boat weight about 5250 empty and you have to consider the weight of the trailer as well (according to Triad that is several thousand pounds itself). I just talked with Triad Trailers about this issue and after telling them the weight of the boat (to include loaded with fuel/water and stores) they recommended dual 5000 pound axels. Making the "gross" weight (trailer and boat) in the 7000-8000 pound range. FWIW

Bill
S/V Rhapsody



cd25d@rhapsodysails.com

[Anthony P. Jeske]

Bob:
I'm not sure why the PO would have raised the boom. I sure don't have to duck on my CD-25D. If in fact yours has been raised, it would be like sailing with a permanent reef in the main. A BAD idea on an already slow boat. I also think it would be costly to restore since a new main would be needed. I sure hope you have a big price reduction to compensate for this "improvement"!
Yeah, the cockpit is small. It's supposed to be small. It's a safety feature when pooped. But, the cockpit on the CD-25D is as large as on a CD-28. I suspect you will really want the original tiller length once the wind pipes up. Another "improvement" by the PO that you should adjust the price for.
I know it tough to walk away from a boat once it tugs at your heart, but aren't there any other 25D's around for you to look at? After all, there's time 'till spring.
Good Luck,
Tony Jeske
CD-25D #141
Carpe Diem
San Diego







ajeske@ixpres.com

[Jerry]

Hello,

My wife and I are in the process of buying a Cape Dory 25D. We have a couple of questions for you experts/owners out there. Anything you want to take a stab at here would be great!

TRAILER OR NO?
==============
The owner is selling a trailer along with the boat. We'd like to store the boat at our house off season, but we don't own a vehicle large enough to tow 6000lbs (boat + trailer). I called a few yards and the cost to bring the boat to the house with or without this custom trailer is the same. Is there an advantage to the trailer that I'm missing? The trailer is brand new... so it's a little pricey.

We had a CD25D for 18 years and trailered it to Sea of Cortez, Fla then sailed to the Bahamas,Maine and then sailed to Nova scotia and many other trips to both coasts. Our boat and trailer with full tank of water(15gal),fulltank of fuel(11gal)sails ,two anchors and NO provisions weighed 10,040lbs on a certified scale. When I weighed the empty trailer the boat weight figured out to be 6790 lbs.This is far above the displacement listed by CD. Our current boat displaces 8000lbs but using the same method weighs 9310 lbs.A fellow sailer that trailerd with us with his CD25D boat and trailer weighed in at just under 10,000 lbs.

SHORTENED MAINSAIL
==================
Apparently a previous owner raised the boom 10 inches to avoid ducking during tacking and jibing. I'm assuming that this handiwork decreased the mainsail size by 10 inches times the length of the boom. Is that a big deal?

SHORTENED TILLER
================
Presumably to free up cockpit space, a previous owner shortened the tiller. I'm wondering about the physics of this. The shorter the tiller, the less leverage I'm going to have. I like the idea of extra cockpit space... maybe I should look into some kind of solid tiller extension.

NO. 3 JIB & ROLLER FURLING
==========================
The boat has two headsails... a 150% genoa on a roller furler, and a No. 3 jib. The current owner has never used the No. 3, and doesn't think that it would work with the roller furler. I'm assuming that the No. 3 hanks on to the forestay... which now looks like thick rod rigging thanks to the roller furler. Anyone have work around ideas for this?

CHART TABLE
===========
We like them. The 25D doesn't have one, but that whole galley area with the ice box, stove, and storage area behind the stove looks like a great opportunity for some custom wood work for a chart table. Has anyone attempted this?

Not trusting the barrel bolts on the settee back rests I used a brass hook and chain to hold the back rests up while sleeping under way. You can add a short piece of chain to hold the back rest in a horizontal position to use as an additional counter space or chart table.

FUN ONE: LONGEST DISTANCE SAILED
================================
We're wondering if anyone has sailed a 25D across the Atlantic, Pacific, or even around the world???

Thanks!

Becky and Bob Dugan

jlecocq@milehigh.net

[John s]

Hello, a place where I shopped for boats has 25 ft Cape Dory. Do not know which model. $10,500.00. Click on link to see picture,then leave off boatpics in address to see site.

Hello,

My wife and I are in the process of buying a Cape Dory 25D. We have a couple of questions for you experts/owners out there. Anything you want to take a stab at here would be great!

TRAILER OR NO?
==============
The owner is selling a trailer along with the boat. We'd like to store the boat at our house off season, but we don't own a vehicle large enough to tow 6000lbs (boat + trailer). I called a few yards and the cost to bring the boat to the house with or without this custom trailer is the same. Is there an advantage to the trailer that I'm missing? The trailer is brand new... so it's a little pricey.

SHORTENED MAINSAIL
==================
Apparently a previous owner raised the boom 10 inches to avoid ducking during tacking and jibing. I'm assuming that this handiwork decreased the mainsail size by 10 inches times the length of the boom. Is that a big deal?

SHORTENED TILLER
================
Presumably to free up cockpit space, a previous owner shortened the tiller. I'm wondering about the physics of this. The shorter the tiller, the less leverage I'm going to have. I like the idea of extra cockpit space... maybe I should look into some kind of solid tiller extension.

NO. 3 JIB & ROLLER FURLING
==========================
The boat has two headsails... a 150% genoa on a roller furler, and a No. 3 jib. The current owner has never used the No. 3, and doesn't think that it would work with the roller furler. I'm assuming that the No. 3 hanks on to the forestay... which now looks like thick rod rigging thanks to the roller furler. Anyone have work around ideas for this?

CHART TABLE
===========
We like them. The 25D doesn't have one, but that whole galley area with the ice box, stove, and storage area behind the stove looks like a great opportunity for some custom wood work for a chart table. Has anyone attempted this?

FUN ONE: LONGEST DISTANCE SAILED
================================
We're wondering if anyone has sailed a 25D across the Atlantic, Pacific, or even around the world???

Thanks!

Becky and Bob Dugan

sidney777@hotmail.com

[Bruce Janssen]

Hello,

My wife and I are in the process of buying a Cape Dory 25D. We have a couple of questions for you experts/owners out there. Anything you want to take a stab at here would be great!

TRAILER OR NO?
==============
The owner is selling a trailer along with the boat. We'd like to store the boat at our house off season, but we don't own a vehicle large enough to tow 6000lbs (boat + trailer). I called a few yards and the cost to bring the boat to the house with or without this custom trailer is the same. Is there an advantage to the trailer that I'm missing? The trailer is brand new... so it's a little pricey.

SHORTENED MAINSAIL
==================
Apparently a previous owner raised the boom 10 inches to avoid ducking during tacking and jibing. I'm assuming that this handiwork decreased the mainsail size by 10 inches times the length of the boom. Is that a big deal?

SHORTENED TILLER
================
Presumably to free up cockpit space, a previous owner shortened the tiller. I'm wondering about the physics of this. The shorter the tiller, the less leverage I'm going to have. I like the idea of extra cockpit space... maybe I should look into some kind of solid tiller extension.

NO. 3 JIB & ROLLER FURLING
==========================
The boat has two headsails... a 150% genoa on a roller furler, and a No. 3 jib. The current owner has never used the No. 3, and doesn't think that it would work with the roller furler. I'm assuming that the No. 3 hanks on to the forestay... which now looks like thick rod rigging thanks to the roller furler. Anyone have work around ideas for this?

CHART TABLE
===========
We like them. The 25D doesn't have one, but that whole galley area with the ice box, stove, and storage area behind the stove looks like a great opportunity for some custom wood work for a chart table. Has anyone attempted this?

FUN ONE: LONGEST DISTANCE SAILED
================================
We're wondering if anyone has sailed a 25D across the Atlantic, Pacific, or even around the world???

Thanks!

Becky and Bob Dugan

Becky and Bob- I,m the proud owner of Jerry,s 25D renamed From Now On, as to your nav station ? look at www.picturetrail.com/brucejanssen and you will see some major refitting I did last winter- working on storage this winter and also taking her to the sea of cortez for 2 monthes. I have thought of hingeing the tiller to shorten it when I use an autopilot but havent found or made what would be strong enough, I believe the original tiller lenth is just right as it allows one to sit anywhere in the cockpit and get to the radios ect inside. good luck



bvj@rkymtnhi.com

[Bob Luby]

Hello, a place where I shopped for boats has 25 ft Cape Dory.

Looks like a 25 to me. the giveaway is the ports, which do not appear to be Spartan bronze ports. ( Anyone replacing the bronze with plastic deserves a place in ..... well!) Also - it looks like a motor well cover is at the stern. Could it be a 26?