This may sound like a trivial question, but, I'd really like the benefit of the experience of others. I need to mark my anchor rode as to interval....i.e. how many feet has been let out. All important to know. I've seen plastic tags now and then that can be "sewn", I believe, into some rodes. Magic marker....different color tapes etc. I'm really looking for something that won't rip off or rinse off after a few uses. Also, what intervals do you like to use so you don't get confused. Every 10ft? 25 Ft? or something in between?? I'll be anchoring in Long Island Sound so I suspect most of the anchorages won't be that deep. Therefore in most cases, a lot of scope won't need to be let out (depending on conditions of course). By the way....as of now I have 6 feet of chain and the rest is nylon rode. I'll probably add somewhat more chain. This is a CD27. No bowsprit and no windlass....so not too much more chain. Any advice from the collective Cape Dory braintrust is ALWAYS appreciated!
Warren Kaplan
S/V Sine Qua Non
CD27 #166
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Marking anchor rode intervals
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: Marking anchor rode in X Greenwhich Cove! ! !
Captain Kaplan,
I've found the tags available from West Mar. to be quite sufficient. The tags are just passed through the three strand anchor rode, are very visible, stay in place, and are just starting to fade after 4 years, and they are cheap! You ARE using three strand nylon for rode , right? The nylon will give much more shock absorbtion than say double or single braid.
Interval is whatever the tags are labeled. I agree, not much rode is needed in Long Island Sound, I seldom put out more than 30 feet total! But, I carry around 200 feet just in case!
BUT, if you are anchoring in Greenwhich Cove, BE CAREFUL, be real careful, they have weird water down there! ! !
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
I've found the tags available from West Mar. to be quite sufficient. The tags are just passed through the three strand anchor rode, are very visible, stay in place, and are just starting to fade after 4 years, and they are cheap! You ARE using three strand nylon for rode , right? The nylon will give much more shock absorbtion than say double or single braid.
Interval is whatever the tags are labeled. I agree, not much rode is needed in Long Island Sound, I seldom put out more than 30 feet total! But, I carry around 200 feet just in case!
BUT, if you are anchoring in Greenwhich Cove, BE CAREFUL, be real careful, they have weird water down there! ! !
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
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Larry DeMers
Re: Marking anchor rode intervals
Hi Warren,
We now have a 250ft. rode which includes 30 ft. of chain. I use the West Marine markers, but because we use a dbl. braided rode, I have chosen to wrap the markers around the rode, then secure neatly with needle and waxed thread to the cover of the dbl braid. The markings are easily seen at their 30 ft. intervals, and to feel at night when anchoring in poor light. The markers if left to flap, rip off over time.
By the way, three strand rode is fine, but a dbl braid can be bought that has plenty of stretch in it. My 1/2 in. rode was thick as a pencil in one blow were in..seemed to stretch just fine. I also use a weight riding the anchor rode, to add some catenary weight when it is really blowing hard out. Makes all the difference in the world.
It's amazing how much gear piles up when you outfit for anchoring in all conditions.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers (da Fajita king)
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior..we're finally getting our "winter"..rain and snizzle, turning to 3-5 in. of snow.
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We now have a 250ft. rode which includes 30 ft. of chain. I use the West Marine markers, but because we use a dbl. braided rode, I have chosen to wrap the markers around the rode, then secure neatly with needle and waxed thread to the cover of the dbl braid. The markings are easily seen at their 30 ft. intervals, and to feel at night when anchoring in poor light. The markers if left to flap, rip off over time.
By the way, three strand rode is fine, but a dbl braid can be bought that has plenty of stretch in it. My 1/2 in. rode was thick as a pencil in one blow were in..seemed to stretch just fine. I also use a weight riding the anchor rode, to add some catenary weight when it is really blowing hard out. Makes all the difference in the world.
It's amazing how much gear piles up when you outfit for anchoring in all conditions.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers (da Fajita king)
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 Lake Superior..we're finally getting our "winter"..rain and snizzle, turning to 3-5 in. of snow.
Warren Kaplan wrote: This may sound like a trivial question, but, I'd really like the benefit of the experience of others. I need to mark my anchor rode as to interval....i.e. how many feet has been let out. All important to know. I've seen plastic tags now and then that can be "sewn", I believe, into some rodes. Magic marker....different color tapes etc. I'm really looking for something that won't rip off or rinse off after a few uses. Also, what intervals do you like to use so you don't get confused. Every 10ft? 25 Ft? or something in between?? I'll be anchoring in Long Island Sound so I suspect most of the anchorages won't be that deep. Therefore in most cases, a lot of scope won't need to be let out (depending on conditions of course). By the way....as of now I have 6 feet of chain and the rest is nylon rode. I'll probably add somewhat more chain. This is a CD27. No bowsprit and no windlass....so not too much more chain. Any advice from the collective Cape Dory braintrust is ALWAYS appreciated!
Warren Kaplan
S/V Sine Qua Non
CD27 #166
demers@sgi.com
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Neil Gordon
Re: Marking anchor rode intervals
>>I need to mark my anchor rode as to interval...<<
I've used the plastic tags. They slip through the three strand rode and stay in place no problem. If they wear and or tear over time, they're easy to replace. The tags come marked in 30 ft (five fathom) intervals.
Cable ties would work, too... one at 30 ft, two at 60, etc., etc.
>>...as of now I have 6 feet of chain ...<<
Go for a boat length. I have 30 ft on a CD28. Your anchor/chain/rode is an important piece of safety equipment... don't skimp. It's not that hard recovering the 30 ft of chain plus the anchor (a Danforth 22S).
Regards, Neil
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Cape Dory 28 #167
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I've used the plastic tags. They slip through the three strand rode and stay in place no problem. If they wear and or tear over time, they're easy to replace. The tags come marked in 30 ft (five fathom) intervals.
Cable ties would work, too... one at 30 ft, two at 60, etc., etc.
>>...as of now I have 6 feet of chain ...<<
Go for a boat length. I have 30 ft on a CD28. Your anchor/chain/rode is an important piece of safety equipment... don't skimp. It's not that hard recovering the 30 ft of chain plus the anchor (a Danforth 22S).
Regards, Neil
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Cape Dory 28 #167
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dps
Re: Marking anchor rode in X Greenwhich Cove! ! !
Except for those pesky bubbles, the perrier keeps our water so pure we don't need no feelthy markers.
~~COQUINA~~
~~COQUINA~~
D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Captain Kaplan,
I've found the tags available from West Mar. to be quite sufficient. The tags are just passed through the three strand anchor rode, are very visible, stay in place, and are just starting to fade after 4 years, and they are cheap! You ARE using three strand nylon for rode , right? The nylon will give much more shock absorbtion than say double or single braid.
Interval is whatever the tags are labeled. I agree, not much rode is needed in Long Island Sound, I seldom put out more than 30 feet total! But, I carry around 200 feet just in case!
BUT, if you are anchoring in Greenwhich Cove, BE CAREFUL, be real careful, they have weird water down there! ! !
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: Fajita King ? ? ?
Captain(?) DeMers (da Fajita king),
OK, we knew you were working on a new restaurant, but is it really a Taco Bell? What is the market for that type of grub up there in the North country? I thought you folks survived on deer for the winter season, at least the folks around Alpena did when I was there as a teenager! Sometimes Larry, you really amaze me!
We need to talk about this double braid thing, I thought you bought it precisely because it does not stretch! Yes, it stretches more than single braid, but still not much. What's up with that? ?
Dave Stump, Hanalei
OK, we knew you were working on a new restaurant, but is it really a Taco Bell? What is the market for that type of grub up there in the North country? I thought you folks survived on deer for the winter season, at least the folks around Alpena did when I was there as a teenager! Sometimes Larry, you really amaze me!
We need to talk about this double braid thing, I thought you bought it precisely because it does not stretch! Yes, it stretches more than single braid, but still not much. What's up with that? ?
Dave Stump, Hanalei
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Warren Kaplan
Re: Marking anchor rode in X Greenwhich Cove! ! !
My Fellow Captains,dps wrote: Except for those pesky bubbles, the perrier keeps our water so pure we don't need no feelthy markers.
~~COQUINA~~
D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: BUT, if you are anchoring in Greenwhich Cove, BE CAREFUL, be real careful, they have weird water down there! ! !
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30C
CDSOA #1
Considering Sine Qua Non's home port is now Oyster Bay and Greenwich Cove is all of about 5NM (+/-) north of said homeport, methink that Greenwich Cove may be the very first place I drop the hook next spring. Pray tell! Which stands up better in a Perrier bubbly anchorage.....double braid or 3 strand?
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
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Hanalei
Re: Actually.........
Captain Kaplan
Sine Qua Non,
Honored Sir, and would let you know that this Captain believes that any line, three strand, single or double braid, kevlar or whatever, goes better with an appropriate Chardonnay! Preferably served with a good Danish cheese and some Belgium crackers. To be followed with a glass of Port and some sweet cakes from France with the Captain Commanding!
How's that for a line(pun intended)? ? ? ? ?
Hanalei
Sine Qua Non,
Honored Sir, and would let you know that this Captain believes that any line, three strand, single or double braid, kevlar or whatever, goes better with an appropriate Chardonnay! Preferably served with a good Danish cheese and some Belgium crackers. To be followed with a glass of Port and some sweet cakes from France with the Captain Commanding!
How's that for a line(pun intended)? ? ? ? ?
Hanalei
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Clay Stalker
Re: Marking anchor rode intervals
I also use the plastic strips pushed through the 3-strand every 30 ft. work very well. I have a CD27 and still have 30 ft. of chain and 175 feet of nylon...have the extra chain because I cannot always get the scope I need in crowded anchorages in Newport and Block Island...the extra chain allows me to get by with 4-1 or 5-1 with some degree of safety...I also use a FX-16 Fortress which is oversized for my boat, but get some extra safety from that also, and Fortesses are easy to handle and hold like crazy in mud and sand. Just my 2-cents....Neil Gordon wrote: >>I need to mark my anchor rode as to interval...<<
I've used the plastic tags. They slip through the three strand rode and stay in place no problem. If they wear and or tear over time, they're easy to replace. The tags come marked in 30 ft (five fathom) intervals.
Cable ties would work, too... one at 30 ft, two at 60, etc., etc.
>>...as of now I have 6 feet of chain ...<<
Go for a boat length. I have 30 ft on a CD28. Your anchor/chain/rode is an important piece of safety equipment... don't skimp. It's not that hard recovering the 30 ft of chain plus the anchor (a Danforth 22S).
Regards, Neil
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Cape Dory 28 #167
Clay Stalker
CD27 Salsa #247
Bristol Harbor, R.I.
cstalker@cheshire.net
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Warren Kaplan
Re: Actually.........
To the Captain and sometime ship's steward of Hanalei;Hanalei wrote: Captain Kaplan
Sine Qua Non,
Honored Sir, and would let you know that this Captain believes that any line, three strand, single or double braid, kevlar or whatever, goes better with an appropriate Chardonnay! Preferably served with a good Danish cheese and some Belgium crackers. To be followed with a glass of Port and some sweet cakes from France with the Captain Commanding!
How's that for a line(pun intended)? ? ? ? ?
Hanalei
Such well reasoned advice should be followed to the last drop, morsel and crumb! I'll press on accordingly and with each succeeding drop of that pale yellow elixir, the intracacies of double braid vs. 3 strand will dwindle in the mind. I am indebted to you Sir!
Warren kaplan
Sine Qua Non
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Larry DeMers
Re: Fajita King ? ? ?
Hi Dave,
Yeah, we (wife and daughter and I) just went through a 70 hour week..each, cleaning, fixing up, decorating, moving equipment into and connecting up said gear..a full commercial kitchen and dinning room for 55 people. Runnig phone lines through 100 year old cement block and 14 in square timber..hey, this is fun! No this is not Taco Bell..we beat them hands down. Our restaurant is our own..we bought the copyrights to the recipies and name, and then added our own over the past 7 years. You are right about the affection for Deer meat up here..everyone hunts it seems (but me), So we have deer tacos, deer tostitas, deer enchiladas..heh, kidding..;^) No, Eau Claire, where I live, has about 300 restaurants total..4 of us are Mexican..but I have the whole town we are in (Chippewa Falls) to myself.
On the anchor rode, I don't advocate one over the other, as this rode came with our boat and we have used it for 12 years with no regrets at all. The fact about stretch is true..three strand does give more..but it also abrades as it does so, but so does dbl braid, so it is a wash. What I like about the braid is that it coils easily and handles easily. Dbl braid does strectch less, but over a 150-200 ft. length, there is plenty of stretch to absorb boat motion and surging. The stuff I have is fairly hard finished, and I cannot stretch it by hand unless I apply some muscle to it.
That said, when I replace the rode, it will be with three strand so that I can get some experience with it. I will keep the current rode for a spare though, as we will be carrying 3 anchors as of this summer. I will get a large Fortress that can be dissassembled and stowed (it's very lite in weight but incredibly effective as a storm anchor). My main anchor is the CQR 35 lb'er on 30 ft. of chain and 250 ft. of rode. For a stern mounted anchor, we have a 12lb danforth lunch hook (junk).
This summer we added some more anchoring gear I bet you guys have not had to add to your boats. We added 24 ft. of the heaviest chain we could find, broken into a 12 ft and 2 six ft. lengths, with oversized shackles. This is for going around boulders on shore, and attaching a 250 ft rode to when up in Canada. The shore is very steep-to, so we typically throw out your heaviest anchor off the stern, then move up to shore and nose into the shoreline, hop off and throw this rig around a big boulder. Then we winch back out against the CQR and then tension the bow line up tight. That gaurantees no movement at night. Sometimes all we have to tie to are tress, so we use the chain in a piece of 1 1/2 in. fire hose (surplus throw away by local fire dept). This saves the tree from getting hurt by our tie up.
Darn..I got wordy again. Someone pull my plug please!!
Anyway..man I feel better to get this project done. If it works, I will be retiring to do the bookwork and some cooking when the mood strikes. Will know in a year I hope.
Cheers!
Larry
demers@sgi.com
Yeah, we (wife and daughter and I) just went through a 70 hour week..each, cleaning, fixing up, decorating, moving equipment into and connecting up said gear..a full commercial kitchen and dinning room for 55 people. Runnig phone lines through 100 year old cement block and 14 in square timber..hey, this is fun! No this is not Taco Bell..we beat them hands down. Our restaurant is our own..we bought the copyrights to the recipies and name, and then added our own over the past 7 years. You are right about the affection for Deer meat up here..everyone hunts it seems (but me), So we have deer tacos, deer tostitas, deer enchiladas..heh, kidding..;^) No, Eau Claire, where I live, has about 300 restaurants total..4 of us are Mexican..but I have the whole town we are in (Chippewa Falls) to myself.
On the anchor rode, I don't advocate one over the other, as this rode came with our boat and we have used it for 12 years with no regrets at all. The fact about stretch is true..three strand does give more..but it also abrades as it does so, but so does dbl braid, so it is a wash. What I like about the braid is that it coils easily and handles easily. Dbl braid does strectch less, but over a 150-200 ft. length, there is plenty of stretch to absorb boat motion and surging. The stuff I have is fairly hard finished, and I cannot stretch it by hand unless I apply some muscle to it.
That said, when I replace the rode, it will be with three strand so that I can get some experience with it. I will keep the current rode for a spare though, as we will be carrying 3 anchors as of this summer. I will get a large Fortress that can be dissassembled and stowed (it's very lite in weight but incredibly effective as a storm anchor). My main anchor is the CQR 35 lb'er on 30 ft. of chain and 250 ft. of rode. For a stern mounted anchor, we have a 12lb danforth lunch hook (junk).
This summer we added some more anchoring gear I bet you guys have not had to add to your boats. We added 24 ft. of the heaviest chain we could find, broken into a 12 ft and 2 six ft. lengths, with oversized shackles. This is for going around boulders on shore, and attaching a 250 ft rode to when up in Canada. The shore is very steep-to, so we typically throw out your heaviest anchor off the stern, then move up to shore and nose into the shoreline, hop off and throw this rig around a big boulder. Then we winch back out against the CQR and then tension the bow line up tight. That gaurantees no movement at night. Sometimes all we have to tie to are tress, so we use the chain in a piece of 1 1/2 in. fire hose (surplus throw away by local fire dept). This saves the tree from getting hurt by our tie up.
Darn..I got wordy again. Someone pull my plug please!!
Anyway..man I feel better to get this project done. If it works, I will be retiring to do the bookwork and some cooking when the mood strikes. Will know in a year I hope.
Cheers!
Larry
D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Captain(?) DeMers (da Fajita king),
OK, we knew you were working on a new restaurant, but is it really a Taco Bell? What is the market for that type of grub up there in the North country? I thought you folks survived on deer for the winter season, at least the folks around Alpena did when I was there as a teenager! Sometimes Larry, you really amaze me!
We need to talk about this double braid thing, I thought you bought it precisely because it does not stretch! Yes, it stretches more than single braid, but still not much. What's up with that? ?
Dave Stump, Hanalei
demers@sgi.com
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DPS
Re: Marking anchor rode in X Greenwhich Cove! ! !
Warren,
Please stop by the "G" on the chart. -- that's where COQUINA spends her summer. We can only offer some good, black rum to go with the cheese and the prettiest cove on the Sound.
Don Sargeant
~~COQUINA~~
CD25D #189
Greenwich Cove
don@cliggott.com
Please stop by the "G" on the chart. -- that's where COQUINA spends her summer. We can only offer some good, black rum to go with the cheese and the prettiest cove on the Sound.
Don Sargeant
~~COQUINA~~
CD25D #189
Greenwich Cove
don@cliggott.com
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M. R. Bober
Re: Marking anchor rode intervals
Good questions yield many answers (sounds like fortune cookie wisdom).
Here's my two cents worth:
On our CD27, TIA MARI (by the way, has anyone seen or hear of her recently?), the rode was 5/8" nylon double braid (overkill, but easy to grip) marked every 25' with waxed line whippings (1 for 25', 2 for 50'...) with 15' of chain. The working anchor was a Danforth 22H.
I like the whippings because they can be felt while paying out the rode, even in the dark. I make them about 1/4-3/8" long with about the same space between them. The waxed thread is orange and quite easy to see.
TIA MARI has been replaced by RESPITE, the Danforth for a CQR, but the rodes are still whipped evry 25'.
Hope you find a system that you like. It was good meeting you in NJ.
Every best wish,
Mitchell Bober
RESPITE
CD330
Here's my two cents worth:
On our CD27, TIA MARI (by the way, has anyone seen or hear of her recently?), the rode was 5/8" nylon double braid (overkill, but easy to grip) marked every 25' with waxed line whippings (1 for 25', 2 for 50'...) with 15' of chain. The working anchor was a Danforth 22H.
I like the whippings because they can be felt while paying out the rode, even in the dark. I make them about 1/4-3/8" long with about the same space between them. The waxed thread is orange and quite easy to see.
TIA MARI has been replaced by RESPITE, the Danforth for a CQR, but the rodes are still whipped evry 25'.
Hope you find a system that you like. It was good meeting you in NJ.
Every best wish,
Mitchell Bober
RESPITE
CD330
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Warren Kaplan
Re: Marking anchor rode intervals
Mitchell,M. R. Bober wrote: Good questions yield many answers (sounds like fortune cookie wisdom).
Here's my two cents worth:
On our CD27, TIA MARI (by the way, has anyone seen or hear of her recently?), the rode was 5/8" nylon double braid (overkill, but easy to grip) marked every 25' with waxed line whippings (1 for 25', 2 for 50'...) with 15' of chain. The working anchor was a Danforth 22H.
I like the whippings because they can be felt while paying out the rode, even in the dark. I make them about 1/4-3/8" long with about the same space between them. The waxed thread is orange and quite easy to see.
TIA MARI has been replaced by RESPITE, the Danforth for a CQR, but the rodes are still whipped evry 25'.
Hope you find a system that you like. It was good meeting you in NJ.
Every best wish,
Mitchell Bober
RESPITE
CD330
Thanks for the advice. I appreciate it. I enjoyed the meeting in New Jersey on Nov 10th. Nice to meet everyone.
Warren Kaplan
Sine Qua Non
CD27
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