Has any one added cleats amidship for springlines for docking?
Where did you put them? What size? Did you mount them on Teac?
alewifehouse@mainecoast.net
Spring line cleats on CD25
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Warren Kaplan
Re: Spring line cleats on CD25
Tom,Tom Foley wrote: Has any one added cleats amidship for springlines for docking?
Where did you put them? What size? Did you mount them on Teac?
The man you want to ask is Bill Goldsmith (on this board). He added midship cleats to his CD27 a few months back. He got them from Spartan Marine.
Warren
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Bill Goldsmith
Re: Spring line cleats on CD25
As Warren pointed out, I added the bronze Spartan cleats this spring on my 27. I am not very familiar with the 25, but hopefully these comments will help.
The cleats are designed to be mortised into the teak toe rail. They make several sizes, one of which fit the 27 rail pretty well (years of sanding made the bronze stand a bit proud on the port side more than the starboard.) I did not locate them at the extreme beam of the boat--that location would have been complicated by the presence of the reinforcement structure and backing plates for the chainplates. Also, the toe rail has a pronounced curve there--the cleats are straight, and might not have fit. To simplify installation, I put them about midway between the aft lower shrouds and the forward end of the genny track, where there was no other hardware competing, and the toe rail was straighter.
They are beautiful, and expensive. You can use the cleat located in the middle of the unit, or use it as a chock to run lines fore and aft to mooring cleats. After using them for several months I can report that the cleat is a little small to tie off two 1/2" dock lines--I am going to change over to two eye splices that will just slip over the cleat. One of the nicest upgrades I have done on the boat for usefulness and aeshetics as well.
Another option is to purchase the cleats that attach to the genny track. I found that the one that came to me on my 27 was too far aft to be of much use as a midrail cleat. The Spartan cleats act as a midrail scupper drain as well, reducing the amount of deckwash that ends up aft.
I've been promising to get some pics taken and posted, but I've been sidetracked. I will really really try to post some pics of the cleats soon.
Bill Goldsmith
goldy@bestweb.net
The cleats are designed to be mortised into the teak toe rail. They make several sizes, one of which fit the 27 rail pretty well (years of sanding made the bronze stand a bit proud on the port side more than the starboard.) I did not locate them at the extreme beam of the boat--that location would have been complicated by the presence of the reinforcement structure and backing plates for the chainplates. Also, the toe rail has a pronounced curve there--the cleats are straight, and might not have fit. To simplify installation, I put them about midway between the aft lower shrouds and the forward end of the genny track, where there was no other hardware competing, and the toe rail was straighter.
They are beautiful, and expensive. You can use the cleat located in the middle of the unit, or use it as a chock to run lines fore and aft to mooring cleats. After using them for several months I can report that the cleat is a little small to tie off two 1/2" dock lines--I am going to change over to two eye splices that will just slip over the cleat. One of the nicest upgrades I have done on the boat for usefulness and aeshetics as well.
Another option is to purchase the cleats that attach to the genny track. I found that the one that came to me on my 27 was too far aft to be of much use as a midrail cleat. The Spartan cleats act as a midrail scupper drain as well, reducing the amount of deckwash that ends up aft.
I've been promising to get some pics taken and posted, but I've been sidetracked. I will really really try to post some pics of the cleats soon.
Bill Goldsmith
Warren Kaplan wrote:Tom,Tom Foley wrote: Has any one added cleats amidship for springlines for docking?
Where did you put them? What size? Did you mount them on Teac?
The man you want to ask is Bill Goldsmith (on this board). He added midship cleats to his CD27 a few months back. He got them from Spartan Marine.
Warren
goldy@bestweb.net
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Steve Alarcon
Re: Spring line cleats on CD25
Bill,
To you point about using cleats that attach to the genny track; the location you mentioned is great for holding the vessel alongside a warf or dock when singlehanded. Run a line from that cleat aft to the dock and leave the engine in fwd at low RPM. It'll hold right to the dock, assuming you are not on the lee side with a lot of wind. I've had the miship cleats on both my previous CD30 and current CD36...the mid location fine for spring lines but to far forward for what I previously mentioned. The key is to have the cleat well aft of the broadest part of the beam. By the way, I finally fashined a brass rub-strake from 1/2" half-round stock because the spring lines chafe against the top of the rub rail wearing groves in the teak. I spliced 12" eyes into the spring lines, and there is enough room to double wrap on the cleat.
Regards,
Steve Alarcon
CD36 Tenacity
Seattle
alarcon3@prodigy.net
To you point about using cleats that attach to the genny track; the location you mentioned is great for holding the vessel alongside a warf or dock when singlehanded. Run a line from that cleat aft to the dock and leave the engine in fwd at low RPM. It'll hold right to the dock, assuming you are not on the lee side with a lot of wind. I've had the miship cleats on both my previous CD30 and current CD36...the mid location fine for spring lines but to far forward for what I previously mentioned. The key is to have the cleat well aft of the broadest part of the beam. By the way, I finally fashined a brass rub-strake from 1/2" half-round stock because the spring lines chafe against the top of the rub rail wearing groves in the teak. I spliced 12" eyes into the spring lines, and there is enough room to double wrap on the cleat.
Regards,
Steve Alarcon
CD36 Tenacity
Seattle
alarcon3@prodigy.net
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Olli Wendelin
Re: Spring line cleats on CD25
Tom,
Midship cleats are definitely on my to do list. I have a CD30. Currently I attach spring lines to the stanchion bases. A pain to rig and not very shipshape. The midship cleats sold by Spartan which I see on other boats look too small. I plan to install a cleat amidship similar in size to the bow cleats. I will install it alongside the toe rail on an ipe or teak pad to clear the toe rail and genoa track. Because it will be "under" the lifelines I do not think it will be a toe stubber or line fouler.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
wendelin@spawar.navy.mil
Midship cleats are definitely on my to do list. I have a CD30. Currently I attach spring lines to the stanchion bases. A pain to rig and not very shipshape. The midship cleats sold by Spartan which I see on other boats look too small. I plan to install a cleat amidship similar in size to the bow cleats. I will install it alongside the toe rail on an ipe or teak pad to clear the toe rail and genoa track. Because it will be "under" the lifelines I do not think it will be a toe stubber or line fouler.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
wendelin@spawar.navy.mil