I'm considering buying a CD25D which is out of the water and has been out of the water all winter-- and find that the pan under the engine is full of water as well as water in the bilge-- does anybody know of any way this water could be getting in? No obvious deck or cockpit leaks.The seller doesn't seem to know.Thanks.
edohowe@aol.com
CD25D - Water under engine?
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John Vigor
Re: CD25D - Water under engine?
Ed: If the water is fresh, rather than salt, there are two possibilities from my experience.
First, there are two ventilators in the aft deck that provide air for the engine compartment. Mine were originally supplied with water traps, but the plastic they were made of had deteriorated over the years and was letting rainwater in. The water will run down and collect under the engine.
Second, the small wooden coamings under the cockpit lockers are not always watertight. They are fixed down to the fiberglass on a bedding compound that should probably be replaced every 10 years at last, and mine had small leaks from rainwater running past in the channel they form.
The only other water I've had in the engine tray was salt water, and it came either from the drain for the engine cooling water (which was accidentally left partly open after an engine overhaul) or from the stern gland, during replacement of the packing.
It also strikes me that your fresh water tank is situated above and to port of the engine, and if one of the several pipes protruding from it were leaking, the water would collect in the engine pan.
John Vigor
jvigor@qwest.net
First, there are two ventilators in the aft deck that provide air for the engine compartment. Mine were originally supplied with water traps, but the plastic they were made of had deteriorated over the years and was letting rainwater in. The water will run down and collect under the engine.
Second, the small wooden coamings under the cockpit lockers are not always watertight. They are fixed down to the fiberglass on a bedding compound that should probably be replaced every 10 years at last, and mine had small leaks from rainwater running past in the channel they form.
The only other water I've had in the engine tray was salt water, and it came either from the drain for the engine cooling water (which was accidentally left partly open after an engine overhaul) or from the stern gland, during replacement of the packing.
It also strikes me that your fresh water tank is situated above and to port of the engine, and if one of the several pipes protruding from it were leaking, the water would collect in the engine pan.
John Vigor
jvigor@qwest.net
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Bob Malinka
Re: CD25D - Water under engine?
I have had the same experiences that John Vigor has posted here on his CD25D. What worries me more is how long has that water been in there? Was it in there during the winter if so you may best steer clear of that boat as I'm sure there may be structural damage due to freezing.
Many years ago, circa 1985, I looked at my first CD25D it was in Annapolis, MD., being brokered by Crusader Yachts. The boat was in a yard I remember it's name was Charlie and I remember it was a 1982 model year because the hatchway boards were made of teak laminate and they were delaminating due to the exposure to the weather. I remember reading a review of the CD25D and how they commented that for a boat of this quality laminated teak on the hatchway was not a good way to cut cost for Cape Dory. The boat apparently was uncovered all winter and also had water up to the sole and the pan under the engine filled to the top. It's really ashame that this boat was let go like this as you could also really see the effects of weathering on the topside brightwork. I was encouraged by the broker and really tempted to make an offer on the boat. But my hunch was to wait and continue looking as I was concerned that they even bothered to winterized the engine. I'm glad I did wait because several months later a CD25D became available right in my backyard and it was a 1984 model year with more features not found in the 1982MY with solid teak hatchway boards, and the boat had been maintained by a yard even though the owner had neglected it somewhat. Paid a little more but got a boat that we still have today and she really doesn't look her age at all.
My advice is to pass on this one for now be patient and keep on looking as there were over 180 of this model built by Cape Dory.
Bob
s/v Ranger #144
1984 CD25D
Ranger1442@hotmail.com
Many years ago, circa 1985, I looked at my first CD25D it was in Annapolis, MD., being brokered by Crusader Yachts. The boat was in a yard I remember it's name was Charlie and I remember it was a 1982 model year because the hatchway boards were made of teak laminate and they were delaminating due to the exposure to the weather. I remember reading a review of the CD25D and how they commented that for a boat of this quality laminated teak on the hatchway was not a good way to cut cost for Cape Dory. The boat apparently was uncovered all winter and also had water up to the sole and the pan under the engine filled to the top. It's really ashame that this boat was let go like this as you could also really see the effects of weathering on the topside brightwork. I was encouraged by the broker and really tempted to make an offer on the boat. But my hunch was to wait and continue looking as I was concerned that they even bothered to winterized the engine. I'm glad I did wait because several months later a CD25D became available right in my backyard and it was a 1984 model year with more features not found in the 1982MY with solid teak hatchway boards, and the boat had been maintained by a yard even though the owner had neglected it somewhat. Paid a little more but got a boat that we still have today and she really doesn't look her age at all.
My advice is to pass on this one for now be patient and keep on looking as there were over 180 of this model built by Cape Dory.
Bob
s/v Ranger #144
1984 CD25D
Ed Howe wrote: I'm considering buying a CD25D which is out of the water and has been out of the water all winter-- and find that the pan under the engine is full of water as well as water in the bilge-- does anybody know of any way this water could be getting in? No obvious deck or cockpit leaks.The seller doesn't seem to know.Thanks.
Ranger1442@hotmail.com
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Bob Malinka
Re: CD25D - Water under engine?
I have had the same experiences that John Vigor has posted here on his CD25D. What concerns me more is how long has that water been in there? Was it in there during the winter if so you may best steer clear of that boat as I'm sure there may be structural damage due to freezing.
Many years ago, circa 1985, I looked at my first CD25D it was in Annapolis, MD., being brokered by Crusader Yachts. The boat was in a yard I remember it's name was Charlie and I remember it was a 1982 model year because the hatchway boards were made of teak laminate and they were delaminating due to the exposure to the weather. I remember reading a review of the CD25D and how they commented that for a boat of this quality laminated teak on the hatchway was not a good way to cut cost for Cape Dory. The boat apparently was uncovered all winter and also had water up to the sole and the pan under the engine filled to the top. It's really ashame that this boat was let go like this as you could also really see the effects of weathering on the topside brightwork. I was encouraged by the broker and really tempted to make an offer on the boat. But my hunch was to wait and continue looking as I was concerned that they even bothered to winterized the engine. I'm glad I did wait because several months later a CD25D became available right in my backyard and it was a 1984 model year with more features not found in the 1982MY with solid teak hatchway boards, and the boat had been maintained by a yard even though the owner had neglected it somewhat. Paid a little more but got a boat that we still have today and she really doesn't look her age at all.
My advice is to pass on this one for now be patient and keep on looking as there were over 180 of this model built by Cape Dory.
Bob
s/v Ranger #144
1984 CD25D
Ranger1442@hotmail.com
Many years ago, circa 1985, I looked at my first CD25D it was in Annapolis, MD., being brokered by Crusader Yachts. The boat was in a yard I remember it's name was Charlie and I remember it was a 1982 model year because the hatchway boards were made of teak laminate and they were delaminating due to the exposure to the weather. I remember reading a review of the CD25D and how they commented that for a boat of this quality laminated teak on the hatchway was not a good way to cut cost for Cape Dory. The boat apparently was uncovered all winter and also had water up to the sole and the pan under the engine filled to the top. It's really ashame that this boat was let go like this as you could also really see the effects of weathering on the topside brightwork. I was encouraged by the broker and really tempted to make an offer on the boat. But my hunch was to wait and continue looking as I was concerned that they even bothered to winterized the engine. I'm glad I did wait because several months later a CD25D became available right in my backyard and it was a 1984 model year with more features not found in the 1982MY with solid teak hatchway boards, and the boat had been maintained by a yard even though the owner had neglected it somewhat. Paid a little more but got a boat that we still have today and she really doesn't look her age at all.
My advice is to pass on this one for now be patient and keep on looking as there were over 180 of this model built by Cape Dory.
Bob
s/v Ranger #144
1984 CD25D
Ed Howe wrote: I'm considering buying a CD25D which is out of the water and has been out of the water all winter-- and find that the pan under the engine is full of water as well as water in the bilge-- does anybody know of any way this water could be getting in? No obvious deck or cockpit leaks.The seller doesn't seem to know.Thanks.
Ranger1442@hotmail.com
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Don Sargeant
Re: CD25D - Water under engine?
The stuffing box, which is supposed to leak, will leave water under the engine. I sponge mine out every winter and voila -- there's water there in the spring and all summer long. Boats all leak a little somewhere and it eventually lands in the bilge. Unless the bilge was filled and it froze, I wouldn't be concerned about structural damage. The water would expand upwards. The stbd seat locker does leak, mine lands in the quarter berth. Small penalties to pay for a great boat.
Don Sargeant
CD25D #189
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Don Sargeant
CD25D #189
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Bob Malinka wrote: I have had the same experiences that John Vigor has posted here on his CD25D. What worries me more is how long has that water been in there? Was it in there during the winter if so you may best steer clear of that boat as I'm sure there may be structural damage due to freezing.
Many years ago, circa 1985, I looked at my first CD25D it was in Annapolis, MD., being brokered by Crusader Yachts. The boat was in a yard I remember it's name was Charlie and I remember it was a 1982 model year because the hatchway boards were made of teak laminate and they were delaminating due to the exposure to the weather. I remember reading a review of the CD25D and how they commented that for a boat of this quality laminated teak on the hatchway was not a good way to cut cost for Cape Dory. The boat apparently was uncovered all winter and also had water up to the sole and the pan under the engine filled to the top. It's really ashame that this boat was let go like this as you could also really see the effects of weathering on the topside brightwork. I was encouraged by the broker and really tempted to make an offer on the boat. But my hunch was to wait and continue looking as I was concerned that they even bothered to winterized the engine. I'm glad I did wait because several months later a CD25D became available right in my backyard and it was a 1984 model year with more features not found in the 1982MY with solid teak hatchway boards, and the boat had been maintained by a yard even though the owner had neglected it somewhat. Paid a little more but got a boat that we still have today and she really doesn't look her age at all.
My advice is to pass on this one for now be patient and keep on looking as there were over 180 of this model built by Cape Dory.
Bob
s/v Ranger #144
1984 CD25D
Ed Howe wrote: I'm considering buying a CD25D which is out of the water and has been out of the water all winter-- and find that the pan under the engine is full of water as well as water in the bilge-- does anybody know of any way this water could be getting in? No obvious deck or cockpit leaks.The seller doesn't seem to know.Thanks.
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Garrard Young
Re: CD25D - Water under engine?
Mine does that... most of it comes from condensation... the "sweat" drips off the metal motor and collects in the oil trap beneath the engine... pull your top and fuel cannisters from your metal stove and you'll find water pooled in the base whenever you notice a buildup under your motor. This can be substantial on hot, humid days with cool nights.
Cape Dory created this phenomenon to help offset the inadequate fresh water capacity.
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Cape Dory created this phenomenon to help offset the inadequate fresh water capacity.
gypsite@mindspring.com
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Garrard Young
Re: CD25D - Water under engine? Part II
The condensation can really add up if the boat is under a tarp in rainy weather but with "good" ventilation, like open ports, which actually work to get more moisture in your cabin (where it is then drawn to metal surfaces).