The current mainsail that came with my CD22 is a "recycled" sail which was cut down from an older and larger one. It is on the list for replacement subject to free cash flow which currently is not flowing very freely ... so I have to live with it for the time being.
The sail has two grommets installed for reefing purposes; one on the luff and one on the leech. These allow me to reef the sail easily enough. However there are no grommets between these two points that would allow me to lash the reefed portion of the sail to the boom. The reefed sail works well enough for the kind of typically tame sailing here on Lake Travis. However, once reefed I have a rather large fold that hangs from the boom and impeded clear views (it also bugs the hell out of me).
I wonder if any of you have any ideas for how to lash the hanging fold without sail ties. I can, with some effort, flake the fold over the boom but with no means to lash it, it has a tendency to fall off over the course of several tacks. Also, given that the sail will be replaced I would like to avoid spending time/effort/cash on having grommets put in ... any ideas?
Robert, Hunky Dory
1982 CD22, Hull 122
Lake Travis, Texas
Ideas for tying a reefed mainsail to boom
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tjr818
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Re: Ideas for tying a reefed mainsail to boom
So, are you saying that the sail has no reefing nettles? If it is an old sail, soon to be replaced, I think that I would just poke some lines through, add some iron on reinforcing patches, and go sailing. Many of us No longer bother with tying up the excess fold of the reef.
Tim
Nonsuch 26 Ultra,
Previously, Sláinte a CD27
Nonsuch 26 Ultra,
Previously, Sláinte a CD27
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wikakaru
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Re: Ideas for tying a reefed mainsail to boom
You could make your own reef patches with some self-adhesive sail repair tape and a DIY grommet kit.
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It's kind of a goofy solution, but maybe you could use some cheap spring-loaded C-clamps to hold the bundle of sail from the side. However, if they flog around, it could get exciting/dangerous!
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I wouldn't just poke a hole in the sail. It will tear and then you definitely WILL need a new sail.
Smooth sailing,
Jim
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It's kind of a goofy solution, but maybe you could use some cheap spring-loaded C-clamps to hold the bundle of sail from the side. However, if they flog around, it could get exciting/dangerous!
https://factorduty.com/product/6-4-inch ... ng-clamps/
I wouldn't just poke a hole in the sail. It will tear and then you definitely WILL need a new sail.
Smooth sailing,
Jim
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Joe Myerson
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Re: Ideas for tying a reefed mainsail to boom
Also, if you do make some reef nettles (little reefing lines for securing the bunt), remember to tie them around the sail, not around the boom.
Good luck!
==Joe
Good luck!
==Joe
Former Commodore, CDSOA
Former Captain, Northeast Fleet
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Former Captain, Northeast Fleet
S/V Crème Brûlée, CD 25D, Hull # 80
"What a greate matter it is to saile a shyppe or goe to sea."
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s2sailorlis
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Re: Ideas for tying a reefed mainsail to boom
Absolutely important point. if loose footed then no issue, if not tie loosely around the boom.
i had a 27 footer reefed in about 20-22 knots and someone tied the reef knots to tight around the boom..it was Kevlar main and it started to tear...pricey mistake.
i had a 27 footer reefed in about 20-22 knots and someone tied the reef knots to tight around the boom..it was Kevlar main and it started to tear...pricey mistake.
Joe Myerson wrote:Also, if you do make some reef nettles (little reefing lines for securing the bunt), remember to tie them around the sail, not around the boom.
Good luck!
==Joe
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Rick
1984 CD22
Excuse auto-correct typos courtesy of iOS...or simply lazy typing
Rick
1984 CD22
Excuse auto-correct typos courtesy of iOS...or simply lazy typing
Re: Ideas for tying a reefed mainsail to boom
Yet another good reason for a loose-foot (and full-battens)...s2sailorlis wrote:Absolutely important point. if loose footed then no issue, if not tie loosely around the boom.
i had a 27 footer reefed in about 20-22 knots and someone tied the reef knots to tight around the boom..it was Kevlar main and it started to tear...pricey mistake.
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Niceville FL
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s/v KAYLA CD28 #318
2012 FLSTC Heritage Classic
Niceville FL
+30° 30' 24.60", -86° 26' 32.10"
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Re: Ideas for tying a reefed mainsail to boom
Nothing particular about reefing but they help with sail shape whether reefed or not and work best (for me) with a loose-foot main.NarragansettSailor wrote:How do full battens help when reefed?
-michael & Toni CDSOA #789
s/v KAYLA CD28 #318
2012 FLSTC Heritage Classic
Niceville FL
+30° 30' 24.60", -86° 26' 32.10"
"Just because it worked, doesn't mean it works." -me
No shirt + No shorts = No problem!
s/v KAYLA CD28 #318
2012 FLSTC Heritage Classic
Niceville FL
+30° 30' 24.60", -86° 26' 32.10"
"Just because it worked, doesn't mean it works." -me
No shirt + No shorts = No problem!
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John Stone
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Re: Ideas for tying a reefed mainsail to boom
Absolutely no need to tie up the bundle of your reefed main. Slab/jiffy reefing simply does not require it. And, it’s a major PITA. Also requires you to spend a lot of time tying and untying them which, while not in and of itself dangerous, can be depending on the circumstances. I don’t know anyone on a modern Bermuda rigged boat that ties in the reef points anymore.
Sometimes the bunt of the sail at the clew end hangs down and can be a bit unsightly. If I am going to be reefed for a long time I sometimes tie the bunt up with a sail tie. That’s about it.
Sometimes the bunt of the sail at the clew end hangs down and can be a bit unsightly. If I am going to be reefed for a long time I sometimes tie the bunt up with a sail tie. That’s about it.
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Re: Ideas for tying a reefed mainsail to boom
Just want to thank everyone for the good suggestions regarding securing (or not) the sail bunt when reefed.
I considered setting in grommets on my own but I have tried to do so on a past awning project and frankly ran into problems with uneven results. Also, sewing on reefing nettles is more work than this old sail deserves.
I appreciate the comments that most people do not use reefing nettles because of the hassle they introduce to tie and untie. However in my case, I find that the bunt hangs low enough below the boom to be distracting/annoying and/or interfere with a clear line of sight and would like to eliminate that; personal quirk I guess...
John's suggestion is something I had not thought of doing and may be the solution I am looking for. Thanks John, I will try it out next time I am out!
Robert
I considered setting in grommets on my own but I have tried to do so on a past awning project and frankly ran into problems with uneven results. Also, sewing on reefing nettles is more work than this old sail deserves.
I appreciate the comments that most people do not use reefing nettles because of the hassle they introduce to tie and untie. However in my case, I find that the bunt hangs low enough below the boom to be distracting/annoying and/or interfere with a clear line of sight and would like to eliminate that; personal quirk I guess...
John's suggestion is something I had not thought of doing and may be the solution I am looking for. Thanks John, I will try it out next time I am out!
Robert