CD30 Companionway Teak
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CD30 Companionway Teak
Last summer the drips from the companionway teak got too bad to ignore. We had a bowl on the icebox side while moored in Edgartown for two rainy days. A few years back, Jim Walsh posted a good description for a CD31 but I've noticed a few differences on my '83 CD30.
In late December I began the disassembly. The upper boards came off pretty easily. I removed the bungs by drilling a 1/16 in hole then screwing in a drywall screw. It was less damaging to scrape the varnish before removing the bung. All but one bung came out perfectly with no damage to the surrounding teak. A couple required some work with a pen knife to remove all the wood. As with most failed adhesives, half was totally failed and the other half gripped tenaciously. The glass above the galley that they attach to was pretty ugly: nearly no resin and a lot of loose glass fibers. I think it had been done after the teak was installed since the resin was pretty bonded to the teak.
Then it got pretty cold and I didn't get back to the boat until today. My plan had been to only do the upper boards that were leaking but after seeing the failed adhesive (maybe something like Sikaflex) I decided to replace the vertical pieces (where the drop boards go) and the sill. This requires removing the grab handles as well. Nearly none of these bungs cooperated, especially the ones outside .
The grab handles were especially troublesome because I didn't understand how they attached. On my boat they are screwed only to the teak with four wood screws each. The teak is attached to other teak which it attached to the fiberglass. I never had a problem with them being suspect but I thought they might be through bolted to glass so something to look out for. Also, the bungs were not square to the top of the handles. The holes and screws were roughly parallel to the angle that the base of the handle makes. You really need to drill the first hole following this angle or the bung removal will tear out a lot of material if it works at all.
But, even better you don't really need to remove the handle bungs at all, or the screws that attach the rabbeted pieces to the pieces that mount the handles. Which is too bad because these bungs are larger than all the other ones on the boat. There did appear to be some vinyl/epoxy resin on the port side that adhered to the teak but I'm pretty sure you could pry that off. The starboard side sealant failed with the lightest touch.
All the pieces (except the sill where I stripped a screw) are cleaned up at home and I'll install them as soon as it warms up a little more. I got Sikaflex 291 in white (for attaching to the glass) and mahogany (for attaching to each other); I think it wants ~8hours above 50F to get a decent cure. Then varnish. I think they need to be installed before varnish so I can get the bungs in.
Jeff
In late December I began the disassembly. The upper boards came off pretty easily. I removed the bungs by drilling a 1/16 in hole then screwing in a drywall screw. It was less damaging to scrape the varnish before removing the bung. All but one bung came out perfectly with no damage to the surrounding teak. A couple required some work with a pen knife to remove all the wood. As with most failed adhesives, half was totally failed and the other half gripped tenaciously. The glass above the galley that they attach to was pretty ugly: nearly no resin and a lot of loose glass fibers. I think it had been done after the teak was installed since the resin was pretty bonded to the teak.
Then it got pretty cold and I didn't get back to the boat until today. My plan had been to only do the upper boards that were leaking but after seeing the failed adhesive (maybe something like Sikaflex) I decided to replace the vertical pieces (where the drop boards go) and the sill. This requires removing the grab handles as well. Nearly none of these bungs cooperated, especially the ones outside .
The grab handles were especially troublesome because I didn't understand how they attached. On my boat they are screwed only to the teak with four wood screws each. The teak is attached to other teak which it attached to the fiberglass. I never had a problem with them being suspect but I thought they might be through bolted to glass so something to look out for. Also, the bungs were not square to the top of the handles. The holes and screws were roughly parallel to the angle that the base of the handle makes. You really need to drill the first hole following this angle or the bung removal will tear out a lot of material if it works at all.
But, even better you don't really need to remove the handle bungs at all, or the screws that attach the rabbeted pieces to the pieces that mount the handles. Which is too bad because these bungs are larger than all the other ones on the boat. There did appear to be some vinyl/epoxy resin on the port side that adhered to the teak but I'm pretty sure you could pry that off. The starboard side sealant failed with the lightest touch.
All the pieces (except the sill where I stripped a screw) are cleaned up at home and I'll install them as soon as it warms up a little more. I got Sikaflex 291 in white (for attaching to the glass) and mahogany (for attaching to each other); I think it wants ~8hours above 50F to get a decent cure. Then varnish. I think they need to be installed before varnish so I can get the bungs in.
Jeff
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Nice job so far. It’s not a fun job dismantling everything while trying to do as little damage as possible to the teak. As I had started the process in December (2016) I took all the pieces home for the winter so I could lightly sand and build up several coats of varnish. I waited till spring to caulk and reassemble everything. My fiberglass was in fine condition beneath the teak so all I had to do to prep for caulking was clean the surfaces with acetone.
There is nothing quite like being drip free.....
There is nothing quite like being drip free.....
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Well done. Be fearless. A tip...if I may. I’ve never had perfect luck removing bungs as you described. I read about that technique and tried it. Always mixed results. Almost always had some damage to the surrounding wood. I no longer mess with it. I use an awl (like an ice pick) to mark the center of the bung. Then I use a 3/8” fostner bit in a cordless drill to drill out the old plug. Use a good fostner bit like a porter cable. The new plugs will fit in perfect. Glue them in with Tite-Bond III. It’s the only wood glue I use on the boat. Give them at least an hour to cure. Overnight is better. Use a very sharp 3/8”
to 1/2” chisel to cut them down to about 1/32” proud. Sand them flush with 220 grit on a wood block.
to 1/2” chisel to cut them down to about 1/32” proud. Sand them flush with 220 grit on a wood block.
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A lotta teak ready to be reinstalled:
John, where I really got messed up was the grab handles -- the screws and bungs were at about 60 degrees and the grain pattern didn't give any hint. I filled the chips in last night with epoxy thickened with sanding dust. We'll see how they turn out.
Oh and the picture was before I epoxied in the chips that I had and filled the other chips with the epoxy mixture.
Jeff
John, where I really got messed up was the grab handles -- the screws and bungs were at about 60 degrees and the grain pattern didn't give any hint. I filled the chips in last night with epoxy thickened with sanding dust. We'll see how they turn out.
Oh and the picture was before I epoxied in the chips that I had and filled the other chips with the epoxy mixture.
Jeff
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Now the fun begins. After they have been varnished, caulked, and reinstalled, you will experience the luxury of a dry interior. The payoff for this project is enormous.
Jim Walsh
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Good job. Jim is spot on. You’re going to be pleased when it’s complete. Noting like a dry boat.
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Varnish weather is here! Decent temperature for lunchtime varnishing today. Here's the second coat after sealer:
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Looks great. Well worth the effort.
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Great job! And inspiring!
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Looks very well done. Gotta feel good! I start on rebuilding (again) the old teak cockpit grate in a few weeks.
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I am not sure if this website will be accessible without subscription/membership. If accessible, it is a very good article on exterior varnishes. They rate numerous different varnish products in a large chart format. Very educational, at least for me with my very, very limited knowledge of the subject matter.
https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues ... ints041319
https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues ... ints041319
Fair winds,
Roberto
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Roberto, thanks for the link. I'm a subscriber so will look later just to confirm what I already know
Sitting in the cockpit, enjoying the latest coat. I've got two types of finish on Christine C.
Epifanes is stunningly beautiful. Cetol, less so. Epifanes also smells nice.
Jeff
Sitting in the cockpit, enjoying the latest coat. I've got two types of finish on Christine C.
Epifanes is stunningly beautiful. Cetol, less so. Epifanes also smells nice.
Jeff
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I would argue that Epiphanes is incredibly tough. On the abrasion front. We did a locker counter top at a wilderness YMCA camp that lasted through years and years of abuse. Admittedly it was out of the sun. But it was very impressive.
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Jeff - What did you use to bed everything back together? I'm rebedding the seahood on my 27, and rapidly approaching the reassembly stage.
Thx,
Chris
Thx,
Chris
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I used Sikaflex 291 LOT. I used white to the glass and mahogany on wood joints. I had one small eruption of white but I'll dremel it out and replace with mahogany before the final varnish coats.
Jeff
Jeff