Hello to All
while Rhapsody is on the hard and her rig down, I want to add some lazy jacks. Anyone have any suggestions on placement or drawings that might be idiot proof?
Many thanks
Bill
On the hard and not too pleased about it.
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
Lazy Jacks
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: Lazy Jacks
Bill,
Log on to harken.com and down load their directions. They also have diagrams that should make it easy for you to figure out where the mast/boom tangs go. Hope this helps...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei Cd-30
Log on to harken.com and down load their directions. They also have diagrams that should make it easy for you to figure out where the mast/boom tangs go. Hope this helps...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei Cd-30
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Larry DeMers
Re: Lazy Jacks -Dave, a note!
Dave,
A few years back, you were warning me of a danger with Lazy Jacks looping over the spreader tip when the boom was let out a ways. I kinda discounted that warning, since I had never experienced this happening on our rig.
Well, it happened last year. The fault was that the jacks were set too loosely, allowing them to billow out and randomly tangle with the spreader tip. It was noticed after the boom showed some resistance to adjustment. The fix was to immediately tighhten the jacks up a bit, removing the spare length that was causing the trouble. That seemed to work well.
But your warning was of merit, and I did keep it in the back of my mind when letting the boom out. It did take 11 years of sailing before it happened, and the correction was easy to make. Perhaps this is what caused the original concern in your experience too?
All in all, I would not sail without lazy jacks. They hold the sail to the boom so neatly, that we can literally depower the main in 5 sec., not worrying about gathering in the sail to prevent it from getting wet..or caught by the wind etc. In a man-overboard situation, this could be a lifesaver. It certainly is convenient.
Cheers..and a belated thanks for that caution.
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
demers@sgi.com
A few years back, you were warning me of a danger with Lazy Jacks looping over the spreader tip when the boom was let out a ways. I kinda discounted that warning, since I had never experienced this happening on our rig.
Well, it happened last year. The fault was that the jacks were set too loosely, allowing them to billow out and randomly tangle with the spreader tip. It was noticed after the boom showed some resistance to adjustment. The fix was to immediately tighhten the jacks up a bit, removing the spare length that was causing the trouble. That seemed to work well.
But your warning was of merit, and I did keep it in the back of my mind when letting the boom out. It did take 11 years of sailing before it happened, and the correction was easy to make. Perhaps this is what caused the original concern in your experience too?
All in all, I would not sail without lazy jacks. They hold the sail to the boom so neatly, that we can literally depower the main in 5 sec., not worrying about gathering in the sail to prevent it from getting wet..or caught by the wind etc. In a man-overboard situation, this could be a lifesaver. It certainly is convenient.
Cheers..and a belated thanks for that caution.
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Bill,
Log on to harken.com and down load their directions. They also have diagrams that should make it easy for you to figure out where the mast/boom tangs go. Hope this helps...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei Cd-30
demers@sgi.com
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len
Re: Lazy Jacks
bill
i rigged a simple and inexpensive system that works well with my full battened mainsail - i installed an eye on each side of the mast above the spreaders and ran a line from each with a small block on the end -
a long line then runs from an eye near the forward end of the boom over the block on one side, down under the boom through an eye there, up to the block on the other side and finally down to a small cleat near the forward end of the boom - the line doesn't have to be very heavy - the eye under the boom is about 1/4 of the way in from the aft end - you do have to get used to tightening and slackening the system which adds several steps but it is well worth it; when dropping sail it keeps it controlled above the boom until you get sail ties on
len
md.frel@nwh.org
i rigged a simple and inexpensive system that works well with my full battened mainsail - i installed an eye on each side of the mast above the spreaders and ran a line from each with a small block on the end -
a long line then runs from an eye near the forward end of the boom over the block on one side, down under the boom through an eye there, up to the block on the other side and finally down to a small cleat near the forward end of the boom - the line doesn't have to be very heavy - the eye under the boom is about 1/4 of the way in from the aft end - you do have to get used to tightening and slackening the system which adds several steps but it is well worth it; when dropping sail it keeps it controlled above the boom until you get sail ties on
len
md.frel@nwh.org
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Bill Goldmsith
Re: Lazy Jacks
If you've considered a new sail cover as well, don't pass up the chance to at least check out the Mack Pack from Mack Sails. It's an integrated lazy jack/sail cover that has a zipper on the top. YOu just raise the sail out of the cover and lower it back in with some flaking. Then you zip it up and you're done. I installed one on my 27 last year and love it.
Bill
goldy@bestweb.net
Bill
Bill wrote: Hello to All
while Rhapsody is on the hard and her rig down, I want to add some lazy jacks. Anyone have any suggestions on placement or drawings that might be idiot proof?
Many thanks
Bill
On the hard and not too pleased about it.
goldy@bestweb.net
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Larry DeMers
Re: Lazy Jacks
Our lazy jacks are home made also, and consist of 2 turning blocks, mounted on either side of the mast, about 10 ft. short of the mast truck. A 3/8 in. *soft finish* line is rove up the mast, through the turning blocks, and down towards the boom. Half way down, I split the single falls into an upside down letter Y shape which gives me two falls on each side, with one half of each side going to the forward part of the boom, and the other part going to the back of the boom. About 4 ft. above the boom, these 4 parts split once more into an upside down Y. This makes 4 falls per side of the boom. Under the boom, I placed 4 deadeyes for the 4 falls to pass through to the other side. The forward most pair of falls from either side of the boom will pass through the forward deadeye, and then tie with a locking slip knot.
Raise the sail, get some wind in her, then readjust the length of the falls, beginning with the foremost fall. The lazy jack should just touch the sail when filled with wind. The belly of the sail will pull some slack out of the falls (that's why I put the deadeyes under the boom..to allow the lazyjack to slide back and forth)..so adjust the fall length until the fall is close to touching the sail on the lee side of the sail. The fall should follow the curvature of the sail, but not restrict the sails shape in any way. I do not allow contact to occur except randomly, between sail and lazy jacks, to minimize any chafing. In 11 years of constant use..there are no marks or abrasive evidence that there has been any chafing occuring between sail and lazy jack.
A fact that I have learned in the past few years..keep the lazy jack lines tighter rather than looser. AS you let the mainsail out, to run lets say, the loose lazy jack *can* swing around the tip of the spreader, causing some trouble if not noticed right away. Dave Stump pointed this out a couple years ago, when this topic was discussed then. He was right..but it can be controlled so that this does not happen..just by the tension adjustment on the lazy jack.
Try it~! You'll like it!!
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
demers@sgi.com
Raise the sail, get some wind in her, then readjust the length of the falls, beginning with the foremost fall. The lazy jack should just touch the sail when filled with wind. The belly of the sail will pull some slack out of the falls (that's why I put the deadeyes under the boom..to allow the lazyjack to slide back and forth)..so adjust the fall length until the fall is close to touching the sail on the lee side of the sail. The fall should follow the curvature of the sail, but not restrict the sails shape in any way. I do not allow contact to occur except randomly, between sail and lazy jacks, to minimize any chafing. In 11 years of constant use..there are no marks or abrasive evidence that there has been any chafing occuring between sail and lazy jack.
A fact that I have learned in the past few years..keep the lazy jack lines tighter rather than looser. AS you let the mainsail out, to run lets say, the loose lazy jack *can* swing around the tip of the spreader, causing some trouble if not noticed right away. Dave Stump pointed this out a couple years ago, when this topic was discussed then. He was right..but it can be controlled so that this does not happen..just by the tension adjustment on the lazy jack.
Try it~! You'll like it!!
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30
len wrote: bill
i rigged a simple and inexpensive system that works well with my full battened mainsail - i installed an eye on each side of the mast above the spreaders and ran a line from each with a small block on the end -
a long line then runs from an eye near the forward end of the boom over the block on one side, down under the boom through an eye there, up to the block on the other side and finally down to a small cleat near the forward end of the boom - the line doesn't have to be very heavy - the eye under the boom is about 1/4 of the way in from the aft end - you do have to get used to tightening and slackening the system which adds several steps but it is well worth it; when dropping sail it keeps it controlled above the boom until you get sail ties on
len
demers@sgi.com
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Bill
Re: Lazy Jacks
Thanks Dave
The site had the instruction book for installing the harken Lazy Jacks Kit. It is exactly what I needed.
have a great day
As always your humble Servant.
Bill
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com
The site had the instruction book for installing the harken Lazy Jacks Kit. It is exactly what I needed.
have a great day
As always your humble Servant.
Bill
D. Stump, Hanalei wrote: Bill,
Log on to harken.com and down load their directions. They also have diagrams that should make it easy for you to figure out where the mast/boom tangs go. Hope this helps...
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei Cd-30
cd25d@rhapsodysails.com