CD25 1978 Scupper Questions

[Astronomertoo]

Hello all,
I and a new CD owner Rick (and new friend) just returned from picking up his new trailer, and a nice looking 1978 Cape Dory 25, "Little Bit", from the young lady owner/seller in Norfolk Va. She only had it for about 4 months, apparently did not use it, or know much about it, so we are hoping some earlier POs might contact us with some of its history. There are many very good and fresh things about the boat compared to my older 1975, and some big differences in plumbing. An older PO had made many significant improvements to the mast rig and electrical, and she has a tight rudder (!), no blisters, and no soft balsa core, but the wood and gelcoat all need some spiffing up, nothing new. She has good bones, but has been in the water for a long time.

We have emptied her out here at her new home in Florida, done a full inspection and, found some typical issues that need correction prior to putting her in the water. Neither of the bilge pumps worked, and there are considerable differences between this one and my older 1975. The bilge hoses are hard to trace and the aft keel deep bilge is not easy to see or access like my 1975.
Does anyone have the link for the plumping and electrical CD drawings that includes the 1975-1978 25 fters they can share with us? Please? I saw them once but can not find them now.
This 1978 has 2 main bronze larger ball valves for scupper drains, with ss handles (and ss balls?), mounted with 45 degree adaptors, connected to big, very stiff hoses run to the cockpit drains from the opposite side of the cockpit. That flies in the face of my common sense. I know the hoses have barnacles in them, as does the open starboard valve which does not fully open/close, thus both systems must come apart, and it will be difficult. Lucky Rick is younger, more svelt, and capable of crawling into the cockpit lockers!
Does anyone here know if this cross connection is a common config in the CDs with larger valves (like mine has Spartan bronze 3/4 inch plug valves), or is this something we need to correct while fixing the barnacles/operation? I will be adding this same mod to my older boat later.
Also, there is a manual guzzler 8 diaphragm (handle pumper) mounted behind the rear starboard side of the cockpit which is connected to a 1" clear (tygon tube?) suction side hose from the deep keel bilge, but was disconnected from the 1" fitting to a accordian type white hose to a plastic bulkhead penetration into the upper starbd side of the engine well, which is similar to my own boat on the port side.
Does anyone have a favorite type bilge outlet hose? I dislike the white accordian hoses, even for suction side.
The electric pump was an Attwater 500, with internal float for auto turn on, which was dead. A new Rule 700 pump works fine on the same power wiring, but will require a larger hose installation. There is also a separate Rule float switch which operates on high level independently to turn on a panel mounted sonic alarm, which was also wired straight from the battery/small fuse, without a panel switch.

Regarding the engine locker, with the lazarette cover, this one covers a nice (large) 8 hp Mercury 2 stroke, so the lid has been raised 3" with a nice custom made support enclosure. My question is about several 4" OD holes cut into the rear side of the lazarete for new wiring access below, which I would think could allow engine and gasoline vapors to enter the bilge, thus the cabin area. Is this something we should be concerned about? There is no foamed insulation between the inner liner and the boat hull itself like my 1975 has.

If you have suggestions or comments regarding the valve config or other issues, and can offer advice we will be looking forward to your input. This boat is on fast track so the new excited owner (Sailon) can practice wind power before the summer is gone.
Thanks

Fair winds and following seas to all of you.
Bob C
MoonShine
CD25 #239
Citrus Springs FL

[bgephart]

BobC - I can only address one item in your inquiry - scupper valves / hoses. It appears a PO replaced the standard (in CD-25s) gate valves with the ball valves. I read somewhere on this board where a CD25 owner found it practical to run the scupper hoses across to the opposite side thru hull so as to avoid kinking the very stiff hose. To make the scupper hose fit the same side thru hull is a very short run in any case, and with a larger ball valve almost impossible. It doesn't sound "pretty", but as long as the water drains freely it should be OK. Hope that helps.

Bob Gephart - Savannah

[Astronomertoo]

Thanks Bob,
And that is exactly what we figured too. and it is ok at the dock, flat. However in this config if you are sailing heeled over to port, a load of water in the cockpit can not drain to starboard (and vice versa), and this does not look good. The other arrangement I have seen recently was where an owner was asking for comments about running his hose aft slightly uphill, to a new same type ball valve (new hole) with a 90 degree fitting so the hose would be as low as possible. It was not well thought of by some of as it would hold water, but would be better than this one.
We kind of need to know how the original config was run, even if it was a gate valve, like was it a different kind of hose that we might go back to for this one? These valves with the 45 degree bronze fittings are huge. There must be a better solution and we welcome comments.
Bob C