As I see it a a 30 and a 30B both sleep the same number of bodies unless 2 people sleep together. The difference is in one cabin on the 30 B and two separate cabins on the 30. More hanging storage on the B, more drawer storage on the 30 in the V berth. Then there's the dedicated Nav. station on the B.
This list is because my Wife and I are looking at a B. For the most part weekenders, weekly day sailors on Lake Superior. 2 Weeks in the North Channel annually and soon retirement and more time aboard.
Just looking for some support from the B crowd or reasons I don't see now why I should keep looking for a 30 V berth layout.
Bob
30CD vs 30B
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Larry DeMers
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CD30c #283
Lake Superior
Re: 30CD vs 30B
"This list is because my Wife and I are looking at a B. For the most part weekenders, weekly day sailors on Lake Superior. 2 Weeks in the North Channel annually and soon retirement and more time aboard. "
Hi,
My wife Jan and I live-aboard DeLaMer, a CD30a version (Vberth) on Lake Superior (well, from April on to mid-Oct.). We have sailed DeLaMer for 24 years or so, and decided to try living aboard after retirement. Good Decision!
I have only the one CD example to speak of, but if you are going to be using the boat mainly weekends, and a bit on vacation, then either style would work well I believe. Even if you were to live-aboard for a period, either would be good to start with. You WILL be modifying the boat to suit your needs while aboard, so choose the one that most closely reflects what you think that you would need.
Speaking toward storage aboard the boat, I agree with another poster, that the CD30a has quite a bit of storage room in the vberth area. We have made use of the storage under the vberth as well as the area occupied by the head sink, counter and cupboards. This area is large enough for me to hide in completely, so I made a 5 drawer chest that fits in the space perfectly, and stows all of our clothes, some tools, and our bath kits.
Lastly, what ever boat you choose, consider bringing her to Schooner Bay marina, just north of Bayfield, WI. You will be in good company..we have 7 or 8 CD's in a 40 slip marina! Nice place.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
CD30 Sailing Lake Superior
Hi,
My wife Jan and I live-aboard DeLaMer, a CD30a version (Vberth) on Lake Superior (well, from April on to mid-Oct.). We have sailed DeLaMer for 24 years or so, and decided to try living aboard after retirement. Good Decision!
I have only the one CD example to speak of, but if you are going to be using the boat mainly weekends, and a bit on vacation, then either style would work well I believe. Even if you were to live-aboard for a period, either would be good to start with. You WILL be modifying the boat to suit your needs while aboard, so choose the one that most closely reflects what you think that you would need.
Speaking toward storage aboard the boat, I agree with another poster, that the CD30a has quite a bit of storage room in the vberth area. We have made use of the storage under the vberth as well as the area occupied by the head sink, counter and cupboards. This area is large enough for me to hide in completely, so I made a 5 drawer chest that fits in the space perfectly, and stows all of our clothes, some tools, and our bath kits.
Lastly, what ever boat you choose, consider bringing her to Schooner Bay marina, just north of Bayfield, WI. You will be in good company..we have 7 or 8 CD's in a 40 slip marina! Nice place.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
CD30 Sailing Lake Superior
Larry DeMers
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JimMc
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Re: 30CD vs 30B
Hi Larry,Larry DeMers wrote:
Speaking toward storage aboard the boat, I agree with another poster, that the CD30a has quite a bit of storage room in the vberth area. We have made use of the storage under the vberth as well as the area occupied by the head sink, counter and cupboards.
Cheers,
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
CD30 Sailing Lake Superior
I have thought many times about such a modification. Would you happen to have photos?
Thanks,
Jim.
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Steve Laume
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Re: 30CD vs 30B
As much as I love Raven, her greatest limitation is stowage space. I believe this would be common to all boats in the 30' range when used for more than days sails or weekend cruises.
There is plenty of room for all the sailing related gear and basic creature comforts. Where she comes up short is in having a place to put things like fishing gear, diving gear, extra sails, folding bikes, a swim ladder and where to stow any kind of dinghy on board.
To that end it seems the bow area is far more valuable as stowage than a place for a master bath type head. On Raven we have given up on the idea of using the vee berth for sleeping. I took off the accordion door that always seemed to be in the way. I replaced it with four drop boards. The first three close the opening up to the level of the bunk. The last one acts as a very high fiddle to keep all that stuff in the vee berth. Well not exactly all the stuff I mentioned but a good bit more that I would have room to store anywhere else on board. So our vee berth has basically become a garage.
For togetherness while sleeping, I made up a set of boards that span the two settee berths. This makes a large sleeping area in the main cabin. It has to be broken down each day, when not in use but there is still access to the head area and the galley, while set up.
I guess what I am saying is that you might not want to squander all of that space on a large head, if you plan to carry a bunch of stuff.
I think the best design for us would be a combination of the standard and B models. The Nav station and galley lay out on the B are very nice. The quarter berth could be handy for off shore sleeping and or inside stowage. The standard head lay out seems to conserve more space even if you have to sit sideways while heeled. On my ideal layout, I would have the B aft half and the standard forward. The entire bow area would be set up with lockers and stowage. I would definitely get rid of the cute little vanity and sink in the head. I never use the head sink for anything but my Sweetie likes it.
Both layouts have their merits. I think it would depend on how you use the boat which would would present the least amount of compromise, Steve.
There is plenty of room for all the sailing related gear and basic creature comforts. Where she comes up short is in having a place to put things like fishing gear, diving gear, extra sails, folding bikes, a swim ladder and where to stow any kind of dinghy on board.
To that end it seems the bow area is far more valuable as stowage than a place for a master bath type head. On Raven we have given up on the idea of using the vee berth for sleeping. I took off the accordion door that always seemed to be in the way. I replaced it with four drop boards. The first three close the opening up to the level of the bunk. The last one acts as a very high fiddle to keep all that stuff in the vee berth. Well not exactly all the stuff I mentioned but a good bit more that I would have room to store anywhere else on board. So our vee berth has basically become a garage.
For togetherness while sleeping, I made up a set of boards that span the two settee berths. This makes a large sleeping area in the main cabin. It has to be broken down each day, when not in use but there is still access to the head area and the galley, while set up.
I guess what I am saying is that you might not want to squander all of that space on a large head, if you plan to carry a bunch of stuff.
I think the best design for us would be a combination of the standard and B models. The Nav station and galley lay out on the B are very nice. The quarter berth could be handy for off shore sleeping and or inside stowage. The standard head lay out seems to conserve more space even if you have to sit sideways while heeled. On my ideal layout, I would have the B aft half and the standard forward. The entire bow area would be set up with lockers and stowage. I would definitely get rid of the cute little vanity and sink in the head. I never use the head sink for anything but my Sweetie likes it.
Both layouts have their merits. I think it would depend on how you use the boat which would would present the least amount of compromise, Steve.
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Re: 30CD vs 30B
I agree with you Steve. I Think the galley, nav station, and 1/4 berth are a real plus. The head is far too big in the B as well. I think it would be far easier to adapt the forward area on the B for storage than trying to change the layout in the standard version.
Bob
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Larry DeMers
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Re: 30CD vs 30B
We also removed the accordion door in the head area. But we do use the vberth as a permanent berth for my wife and I.
The head drawer area that we converted from the sink and cabinet stowage configuration has added a ton of storage room for us. I used the whole area that is available, wall to wall, and outside skin to the plane formed by the two starboard bulkheads.
I made a 2x2 frame inside of the open area, with sides square and centered within the opening. This frame was attached to the two bulkheads using shims to take up any spaces between the two surfaces. Then all areas inside of this area were painted with gloss white polyurethane.
I made 5 separate drawers, full width, and with their depths varying, depending on their position, top to bottom. I used stainless steel ball bearing drawer slides (Rockler.com) and a neat pushbutton drawer lock to keep the drawers from opening while heeled.
For the wood, I used 1/2" teak plywood, and tried to keep the grain contiguous as I cut out the drawer fronts and the cabinet front. It was not worth the effort in that regard..save your time.
The whole cabinet project however, was a total success, and we love not having to live out of a duffle bag anymore. We just haul dirty clothes home and return, thats all. I also have a nice bug drawer for my larger tools, and spare filters, etc.
I do have photos somewhere..heh. Will have to look for them.
Cheers,
Larry
The head drawer area that we converted from the sink and cabinet stowage configuration has added a ton of storage room for us. I used the whole area that is available, wall to wall, and outside skin to the plane formed by the two starboard bulkheads.
I made a 2x2 frame inside of the open area, with sides square and centered within the opening. This frame was attached to the two bulkheads using shims to take up any spaces between the two surfaces. Then all areas inside of this area were painted with gloss white polyurethane.
I made 5 separate drawers, full width, and with their depths varying, depending on their position, top to bottom. I used stainless steel ball bearing drawer slides (Rockler.com) and a neat pushbutton drawer lock to keep the drawers from opening while heeled.
For the wood, I used 1/2" teak plywood, and tried to keep the grain contiguous as I cut out the drawer fronts and the cabinet front. It was not worth the effort in that regard..save your time.
The whole cabinet project however, was a total success, and we love not having to live out of a duffle bag anymore. We just haul dirty clothes home and return, thats all. I also have a nice bug drawer for my larger tools, and spare filters, etc.
I do have photos somewhere..heh. Will have to look for them.
Cheers,
Larry
Larry DeMers