Have photo of Rocna or Manson Supreme on CD31?

Dean Abramson · Post by **Dean Abramson** » Mar 14th, '11, 09:54

Can anyone post (or send me) a photo of of a 15 KG Rocna on a CD31? And a shot of a 15 KG Manson Supreme on a CD 31?

If the 30 and/or the 32 have the same exact bowsprit, I would be interested in photos from them too.

Thanks,

Dean

mahalocd36 · Post by **mahalocd36** » Mar 14th, '11, 11:22

I'm sure you can buy one from Hamilton and if you absolutely cannot make it work (which I doubt) then return it.....

-Melissa

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Mar 14th, '11, 13:13

For what its worth, a Rocna 25 fits nicely in a Spartan bow roller.

Solmar · Post by **Solmar** » Mar 14th, '11, 16:47

Sorry Dean, I couldn't resist posting this. One Manson 44 in the trunk of my Chevy Aveo.

After attending the Seven Seas webinar on anchoring, we decided to go with the bigger anchor.

[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_qXTD ... CF0885.JPG[/img]

Debbie

Bill Goldsmith · Post by **Bill Goldsmith** » Mar 14th, '11, 17:02

Dean,

I'm not sure if the bowsprit on the 32 is the same, but I am pretty sure the roller/pin assembly is the same. I bought a Manson Supreme to use in hard clay bottoms. My main anchor is a Bruce which I keep on the sprit ready to deploy most of the time, so I don't have pix of the Manson on the sprit. I keep the Manson in a locker and deploy it when needed. I was not happy with the way the manson rode (no pun intended) on the sprit. It does not fit inside the pin, and it wobbles and bangs around a lot in a seaway. However, the design of the anchor gives you lots of choices to secure it with bungees. And it's worth its weight in gold in hard clay.

Maine Sail · Post by **Maine Sail** » Mar 14th, '11, 18:15

Dean,

As always your welcome to borrow either my 25 pound Manson Supreme or my 33 Pound Rocna to test fit. I think my Rocna is here at the house but I'd need to check as it could still be on the boat.

Personally I'd suggest the Manson over the Rocna unless you can find the Rocna for less money. There have been some very credible reports that the steel used in the Chinese built Rocna's is below the original spec called for by the designer and this is concerning.

I have a real issue with the new Rocna's being built in China, vs. the Manson in NZ, yet the Rocna still costing $200.00 +/- more... The cost to build an anchor in NZ DWARFS the cost to build one in China yet they still charge more....

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Mar 14th, '11, 19:00

I definitely agree with Maine Sail regarding Rocna vs Manson. When I bought my Rocna they were made in British Columbia, but if buying an anchor today I would certainly chose Manson due to the China issue.

Joe CD MS 300 · Post by **Joe CD MS 300** » Mar 14th, '11, 19:30

I bought my 33lb Rocna from West Marine and was little PO'd when I found out it was made in China. WM wasn't real upfront about it. The price at WM was a lot lower than they had been and with store delivery eliminating shipping cost it was, if I'm remembering correctly about the same price as the Manson. The famous or infamous (depending on your point of view) "Craig" from Rocna actually PM'd me after I started a thread on the topic on sailnet with an explanation of how they actually improved the design and manufacturing process by going to China. I don't recall the details but to a non-engineer it sounded OK. Bottom line I kept the anchor and I'm happy with it.

Jim Evans · Post by **Jim Evans** » Mar 14th, '11, 20:23

These aren't the best shots, but they show my 35 lb Manson on our CD33 with the Spartan bowroller. It's a fine fit, with no mods needed. I regret I don't have a closer shot of the anchor on the roller at the moment.

I really like the anchor, though I've not taken it out of the Chesapeake. I use it with 30 ft of 5/16" chain and 270 feet of brait on the Bay.

SurryMark · Post by **SurryMark** » Mar 14th, '11, 21:01

Maine Sail wrote:Dean,
I have a real issue with the new Rocna's being built in China, vs. the Manson in NZ, yet the Rocna still costing $200.00 +/- more... The cost to build an anchor in NZ DWARFS the cost to build one in China yet they still charge more....

Being made in China is a drag (no pun intended), but Manson is a knockoff company. As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) Manson simply made a few unnecessary changes in the Rocna shank and took a ride on Rocna's research and development. I suppose the Chinese Rocnas ought to cost less; if they do come down I may buy another, if I'm convinced that the metalwork is hasn't deteriorated.

Dean Abramson · Post by **Dean Abramson** » Mar 14th, '11, 21:16

Russell, how does your anchor interface with the pin? Does the pin go through the hole on the Rocna?

Jim, thanks for posting the photos. What keeps your anchor from rocking back and forth athwartship?

MFC · Post by **MFC** » Mar 14th, '11, 21:43

Solmar wrote:Sorry Dean, I couldn't resist posting this. One Manson 44 in the trunk of my Chevy Aveo.
After attending the Seven Seas webinar on anchoring, we decided to go with the bigger anchor.

[img]https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_qXTD ... CF0885.JPG[/img]

Debbie

So is it in your trunk to return for an even BIGGER anchor -- or is the 44' the bigger anchor??? 330 owners wanna know -)

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Mar 14th, '11, 22:37

Dean Abramson wrote:Russell, how does your anchor interface with the pin? Does the pin go through the hole on the Rocna?

No, it doesnt go through the hole, rather after the anchor is all the way up the pin slides in front of the anchor holding it in place. Its a perfect fit. It sits in the roller far better then the bruce or CQR I have used. Though I suspect the next size down rocna you are considering wont be as snug, but really as long as you keep your chain taught it shouldnt matter.

Russell · Post by **Russell** » Mar 14th, '11, 22:43

SurryMark wrote:
Being made in China is a drag (no pun intended), but Manson is a knockoff company. As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong) Manson simply made a few unnecessary changes in the Rocna shank and took a ride on Rocna's research and development. I suppose the Chinese Rocnas ought to cost less; if they do come down I may buy another, if I'm convinced that the metalwork is hasn't deteriorated.

The only word we have that Manson knocked off Rocnas design is via Rocnas very obnoxious online marketing. I take anything Craig Smith says with huge grains of salt, remember his goal is to get you to buy their anchor and Manson is his obvious competitor. Buy what anchor works for you, let the companies and courts worry about that other stuff.

Given reputation, I wouldnt be suprised if suddenly Craig Smith shows up and starts posting in this thread... I hope our board admins would ban him on sight.

M. R. Bober · Post by **M. R. Bober** » Mar 15th, '11, 06:21

Dean Abramson wrote:Russell, how does your anchor interface with the pin? Does the pin go through the hole on the Rocna?

Jim, thanks for posting the photos. What keeps your anchor from rocking back and forth athwartship?

Rocna STRONGLY states that you should not use the hole in the shank with restraining pins or bars as waves hitting the anchor could cause enough movement to bend the pins.

I was a bit disappointed to discover that my new anchor was "Made in China." I hadn't expected it. Time will tell.

Mitchell Bober
Sunny Lancaster, (where at noon today somebody's winter layup period ends

) VA

The Cape Dory Board

Have photo of Rocna or Manson Supreme on CD31?

Have photo of Rocna or Manson Supreme on CD31?

Manson 44

A Manson 35 on my CD33

Re: Manson 44