CD-25 Info Needed
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CD-25 Info Needed
Hi All,
I'd like to put together a timeline that describes the changes in the Cape Dory 25 for my web site. The CD-25 is a George Stadel design that was originally the Greenwich 24 (Allied Boat Works). Cape Dory started using it in 1973? The first boats had one short window and two longer ones? When was this changed? Middle boats had one very long and two short? In 1979 they were bronze and opened? I also believe the earlier boats had a more open motor well design - is this correct? If so, what year was the motor well changed? What other changes were made along the way?
All help & pictures appreciated (E-mail pictures).
Jon
Ringj@mediaone.net
I'd like to put together a timeline that describes the changes in the Cape Dory 25 for my web site. The CD-25 is a George Stadel design that was originally the Greenwich 24 (Allied Boat Works). Cape Dory started using it in 1973? The first boats had one short window and two longer ones? When was this changed? Middle boats had one very long and two short? In 1979 they were bronze and opened? I also believe the earlier boats had a more open motor well design - is this correct? If so, what year was the motor well changed? What other changes were made along the way?
All help & pictures appreciated (E-mail pictures).
Jon
Ringj@mediaone.net
Re: CD-25 Info Needed
Ours was a 1977 and had the two short and one long window on each side. We had the simple direct discharge from the head with recirculating holding tank optional. We had the blue deck color, and did not have the seat drains that appeared soon after.Jon wrote: I'd like to put together a timeline that describes the changes in the Cape Dory 25...
Al
albertlevesque@cove.com
Re: One More Thing...
The bridge deck was there in '77, don't know when it arrived though.Jon wrote: Some of the early 25s didn't have a bridge deck. What year did this arrive?
Al
albertlevesque@cove.com
Re: CD-25 Info Needed
Hi Jon,Jon wrote: Hi All,
I'd like to put together a timeline that describes the changes in the Cape Dory 25 for my web site. The CD-25 is a George Stadel design that was originally the Greenwich 24 (Allied Boat Works). Cape Dory started using it in 1973? The first boats had one short window and two longer ones? When was this changed? Middle boats had one very long and two short? In 1979 they were bronze and opened? I also believe the earlier boats had a more open motor well design - is this correct? If so, what year was the motor well changed? What other changes were made along the way?
All help & pictures appreciated (E-mail pictures).
Jon
a few other minor differences that I've noticed: lifelines on 77 and earlier CD25's were attached at a low point to the bow pulpit- 78 on the lines are attached higher. Also, I don't think earlier models had a teak handrail on cabin top.
Regards,
Bill Willis
s/v Sadie #522
wawillis@shore,intercom.net
Re: CD-25 Info Needed
My 1974 has the blue deck but also has seat drains. Having made this statement regarding the drains, it strikes me that they may have been "aftermarket". I'll check it out next time I see her. Best regards.Al Levesque wrote:Ours was a 1977 and had the two short and one long window on each side. We had the simple direct discharge from the head with recirculating holding tank optional. We had the blue deck color, and did not have the seat drains that appeared soon after.Jon wrote: I'd like to put together a timeline that describes the changes in the Cape Dory 25...
Al
jlreizian@snet.net
Re: CD-25 Info Needed
Just to confuse things. My 78 (#584) had the lifelines attached low on the bow pulpit. She did have the bridge deck, blue decks, recirculating head, and one long port in the main cabin and two small ones, all in plastic. She had teak handrails, but they were flat, the kind you can't put your fingers through. I loved that boat. But I love my 28 too!bill willis wrote:Hi Jon,Jon wrote: Hi All,
I'd like to put together a timeline that describes the changes in the Cape Dory 25 for my web site. The CD-25 is a George Stadel design that was originally the Greenwich 24 (Allied Boat Works). Cape Dory started using it in 1973? The first boats had one short window and two longer ones? When was this changed? Middle boats had one very long and two short? In 1979 they were bronze and opened? I also believe the earlier boats had a more open motor well design - is this correct? If so, what year was the motor well changed? What other changes were made along the way?
All help & pictures appreciated (E-mail pictures).
Jon
a few other minor differences that I've noticed: lifelines on 77 and earlier CD25's were attached at a low point to the bow pulpit- 78 on the lines are attached higher. Also, I don't think earlier models had a teak handrail on cabin top.
Regards,
Bill Willis
s/v Sadie #522
Jerry Hammernik
Lion's Paw CD 28 #341
formerly
Dauntless CD 25 #584
dauntles@execpc.com
Re: One More Thing...
For what it's worth, I have a '74 CD25 (#168). It has a larger engine area than the '73 model. I have a 10hp Honda in it with room to spare. It has cabin top teak rails which are shorter in length than the '73 model. I'm really not sure what a 'bridge deck' is, could someone describe this to me?
dhodossr@aol.com
dhodossr@aol.com
This is a Bridge Deck
David,
A bridge deck is what the guy on the left is kneeling on in my boat's home page. Click the link below to take a look. It replaces the lower half of the companionway with more seating. More significantly, it adds a great deal of strength to mid section of the boat by bridging the two sides together. It also limits how much water can come charging below decks if you get hit with a really huge wave that floods your cockpit. All the best dressed boats are wearing them.
Jon
s/v Sovereign
CD-25 #625
Ringj@mediaone.net
A bridge deck is what the guy on the left is kneeling on in my boat's home page. Click the link below to take a look. It replaces the lower half of the companionway with more seating. More significantly, it adds a great deal of strength to mid section of the boat by bridging the two sides together. It also limits how much water can come charging below decks if you get hit with a really huge wave that floods your cockpit. All the best dressed boats are wearing them.
Jon
s/v Sovereign
CD-25 #625
Ringj@mediaone.net
Re: CD-25 Info Needed
I have Hull #88 which is a 1973. The Motor well is much larger than the 1974 model in that the cockpit storage bins do not go back into the well like they do on the 1974. There is a hole to mount the motor in and when removed there is a plug to plug the hole to the shape of the outside of the boat. There is plenty of room back there for gas tank and other items. There is also a drain plug in front of the motor well hole similar to a ski boat drain plug. Water collects back there when there are people in the cockpit but drains out when the boat is more balanced with folks in the cabin or on the bow.
Another feature that is different on the 73 model is the motor well vents. They are not part of the motor well cover. Since the cover is smaller than the later model, the two vents are mounted on the deck on each side of the cover with dryer hose dangling into the well.
The Teak handrail on the '73 model is longer than on the '74. I occasionally have the Jib sheet catch on it as it comes about. The rail extends up past the front hatch.
The model just prior to mine didn't have the Locking Chock on the bow. It had two normal chocks similar to the ones on the stern. Also the earlier model had molded compartments under the winches for storing sunglasses, etc. there.
There is a Greenwich 24 in the same harbor that I keep my boat which makes it interesting to compare.
Max
metreece@duke-eneregy.com
Another feature that is different on the 73 model is the motor well vents. They are not part of the motor well cover. Since the cover is smaller than the later model, the two vents are mounted on the deck on each side of the cover with dryer hose dangling into the well.
The Teak handrail on the '73 model is longer than on the '74. I occasionally have the Jib sheet catch on it as it comes about. The rail extends up past the front hatch.
The model just prior to mine didn't have the Locking Chock on the bow. It had two normal chocks similar to the ones on the stern. Also the earlier model had molded compartments under the winches for storing sunglasses, etc. there.
There is a Greenwich 24 in the same harbor that I keep my boat which makes it interesting to compare.
Max
Jon wrote: Hi All,
I'd like to put together a timeline that describes the changes in the Cape Dory 25 for my web site. The CD-25 is a George Stadel design that was originally the Greenwich 24 (Allied Boat Works). Cape Dory started using it in 1973? The first boats had one short window and two longer ones? When was this changed? Middle boats had one very long and two short? In 1979 they were bronze and opened? I also believe the earlier boats had a more open motor well design - is this correct? If so, what year was the motor well changed? What other changes were made along the way?
All help & pictures appreciated (E-mail pictures).
Jon
metreece@duke-eneregy.com
1973 hull #12
Hello,
I have hull #12, 1973. “Mornging Star” It has the winch handle storage in the cockpit and a African mahogany interior. I believe the later cd25s have some sort of vinyl laminate interior. The table runs side to side, not fore to aft and drops to become the port berth.
There is a single, non-folding door, which switches back and forth between the closet and the head.
The bowsprit (or whatever you call it) is wood. I’ve seen a later model where this is metal – copper or brass. It has a single common cleat on the bow.
It has three aluminum (I think they are aluminum), non-opening portholes. No bridge deck, long teak hand rails on top of the cabin.
Both of these have been broken, by the way. They got caught on the jib sheet, during a tack in heavy wind - two separate occasions. I heard a loud snap and saw this chunk of wood come flying past my head. Lots of fun. If anyone knows how to fix these things I would appreciate it some advice.
It has a recirculating head, engine vents not on the hatch, blue non-skid paint and the short bumper lockers/big engine space combination.
If anyone has a CD25 born before hull#12 please let me know. Until I am proven wrong, I am going to unabashedly proclaim that I have the oldest CD25 still afloat! Yeah, man! Wo-hoo!
Come on CD25 #8 – where are you?
Chris
I have hull #12, 1973. “Mornging Star” It has the winch handle storage in the cockpit and a African mahogany interior. I believe the later cd25s have some sort of vinyl laminate interior. The table runs side to side, not fore to aft and drops to become the port berth.
There is a single, non-folding door, which switches back and forth between the closet and the head.
The bowsprit (or whatever you call it) is wood. I’ve seen a later model where this is metal – copper or brass. It has a single common cleat on the bow.
It has three aluminum (I think they are aluminum), non-opening portholes. No bridge deck, long teak hand rails on top of the cabin.
Both of these have been broken, by the way. They got caught on the jib sheet, during a tack in heavy wind - two separate occasions. I heard a loud snap and saw this chunk of wood come flying past my head. Lots of fun. If anyone knows how to fix these things I would appreciate it some advice.
It has a recirculating head, engine vents not on the hatch, blue non-skid paint and the short bumper lockers/big engine space combination.
If anyone has a CD25 born before hull#12 please let me know. Until I am proven wrong, I am going to unabashedly proclaim that I have the oldest CD25 still afloat! Yeah, man! Wo-hoo!
Come on CD25 #8 – where are you?
Chris
Re: 1973 hull #12
I thought I might have had the oldest until your message showed up. You describe the brochure pictures to a tee in your message. I have hull #88 and it has all the stuff that you said for the later models.
I too have had the jib sheet catch on the Geneoa Sheet but it didn't break off the wood. It just pulled it up a little. I glued it back down with some epoxy glue I believe and have been very careful to watch it on tacks every since. If mine broke like yours, I'd probably cut it off square farther back where they later models are so that the sheet would not catch.
Do you have trouble venting your outboard in that well? I have to balance the boat to get enough air in there when the outboard is running. I used to attach a garden hose with some duct tape to the 6 hp motor to get the exhaust out under the water and that seemed to solve the problem. The later models seem to have better circulation out the back than our still wells.
metreece@duke-energy.com
I too have had the jib sheet catch on the Geneoa Sheet but it didn't break off the wood. It just pulled it up a little. I glued it back down with some epoxy glue I believe and have been very careful to watch it on tacks every since. If mine broke like yours, I'd probably cut it off square farther back where they later models are so that the sheet would not catch.
Do you have trouble venting your outboard in that well? I have to balance the boat to get enough air in there when the outboard is running. I used to attach a garden hose with some duct tape to the 6 hp motor to get the exhaust out under the water and that seemed to solve the problem. The later models seem to have better circulation out the back than our still wells.
chris wrote: Hello,
I have hull #12, 1973. “Mornging Star” It has the winch handle storage in the cockpit and a African mahogany interior. I believe the later cd25s have some sort of vinyl laminate interior. The table runs side to side, not fore to aft and drops to become the port berth.
There is a single, non-folding door, which switches back and forth between the closet and the head.
The bowsprit (or whatever you call it) is wood. I’ve seen a later model where this is metal – copper or brass. It has a single common cleat on the bow.
It has three aluminum (I think they are aluminum), non-opening portholes. No bridge deck, long teak hand rails on top of the cabin.
Both of these have been broken, by the way. They got caught on the jib sheet, during a tack in heavy wind - two separate occasions. I heard a loud snap and saw this chunk of wood come flying past my head. Lots of fun. If anyone knows how to fix these things I would appreciate it some advice.
It has a recirculating head, engine vents not on the hatch, blue non-skid paint and the short bumper lockers/big engine space combination.
If anyone has a CD25 born before hull#12 please let me know. Until I am proven wrong, I am going to unabashedly proclaim that I have the oldest CD25 still afloat! Yeah, man! Wo-hoo!
Come on CD25 #8 – where are you?
Chris
metreece@duke-energy.com
#12!
Chris,
Can I get some photos of your boat for my web site? You have the oldest 25 around. I'd love to get pictures of the motor well and the interior. Send me an e-mail!
Jon
s/v Sovereign
Ringj@mediaone.net
Can I get some photos of your boat for my web site? You have the oldest 25 around. I'd love to get pictures of the motor well and the interior. Send me an e-mail!
Jon
s/v Sovereign
Ringj@mediaone.net