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I'm speechless!
Gray water discharge from onboard sources is next on the agenda.
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Last edited by Andy Denmark on Feb 13th, '11, 03:47, edited 1 time in total.
Only because this is a family board
This seems to be a case of Washington state law exceeding Federal law and Environmental Vigilantes trying to "shakedown" wealthy boat owners/marinas.
The EPA regs are for over recreational boats 79 feet and all commercial ones. We are generally exempt, but would be wise to follow the regs,
http://www.epa.gov/npdes/pubs/vessel_vgp_factsheet.pdf
The EPA regs are for over recreational boats 79 feet and all commercial ones. We are generally exempt, but would be wise to follow the regs,
http://www.epa.gov/npdes/pubs/vessel_vgp_factsheet.pdf
Jim Davis
S/V Isa Lei
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Sounds like the Riverkeeps needed a fundraising campaign . .
They're going after boaters for the effect of phosphates in soap that washes into the water, yet they leave alone the millions of homeowners who overfertilize their yards with phosphates, all of which eventually flow into the waterways.
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Vinegar and water
Obviously, the zealots in the PSKA need to turn their attention to homeowners, gardeners, agribusiness and urban storm drains.
But I've recently become a big fan of vinegar and water. I keep spray bottles of each on board. It works well under most circumstances, and if used regularly, reduces the need for other cleaning products.
Of course, someday somebody might decide that rinsing 5% acetic acid into the bay contributes to acidification of the seas.
--Joe
But I've recently become a big fan of vinegar and water. I keep spray bottles of each on board. It works well under most circumstances, and if used regularly, reduces the need for other cleaning products.
Of course, someday somebody might decide that rinsing 5% acetic acid into the bay contributes to acidification of the seas.
--Joe
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Former Captain, Northeast Fleet
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"What a greate matter it is to saile a shyppe or goe to sea."
--Capt. John Smith, 1627
Former Captain, Northeast Fleet
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"What a greate matter it is to saile a shyppe or goe to sea."
--Capt. John Smith, 1627
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Change of Venue
Or somebody put them in touch with British Petroleum!Obviously, the zealots in the PSKA need to turn their attention to homeowners, gardeners, agribusiness and urban storm drains.
Dean Abramson
Cape Dory 31 "Loda May"
Falmouth, Maine
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Baking Soda
Dissolve a package of baking soda in a bucket of warm water.
It forms a crystal clear colorless solution, and does a great job
when swabbing and cleaning up bird droppings and normal crud found on boat decks, and
no foam.
I also like Joe's idea of the vinegar squirt bottle.
Dick
It forms a crystal clear colorless solution, and does a great job
when swabbing and cleaning up bird droppings and normal crud found on boat decks, and
no foam.
I also like Joe's idea of the vinegar squirt bottle.
Dick
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pH balanced
And if you alternate using vinegar solution and baking soda solution, maybe you will not be over acidifying or basing (basifying?) the environmental waters!
(':D')
Dean's spouse Marvo
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Dean's spouse Marvo
Dean Abramson
Cape Dory 31 "Loda May"
Falmouth, Maine
Cape Dory 31 "Loda May"
Falmouth, Maine
Hide your vinegar and baking soda
I wonder what they are supposed to do if it rains.
The whole situation is lacking anyone with common sense.
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The whole situation is lacking anyone with common sense.
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Jim Davis
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At least it's rainy on Puget Sound
Well, there's always rainwater--and, supposedly, lots of it out there.
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Former Captain, Northeast Fleet
S/V Crème Brûlée, CD 25D, Hull # 80
"What a greate matter it is to saile a shyppe or goe to sea."
--Capt. John Smith, 1627
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Re: Baking Soda
That will offset Joe's notion of raising the acidity of the bay, too. As for your "no foam" comment, try baking soda and vinegar in the same bucket.tartansailor wrote:Dissolve a package of baking soda in a bucket of warm water.
I also like Joe's idea of the vinegar squirt bottle.
Fair winds, Neil
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Try Dr Bronner's. It's 100% organic and been around forever. The wackiest of wacky environmentalists can't say boo about it. That is unless they are just looking for something to say boo about. It comes in a concentrate and if you mix a mild solution it will not foam thus not raising unnecessary attention.
http://www.drbronner.com/
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I don't think weather a soap, or any other cleaning product, is organic or not has much bearing on the issue.
Chicken manure is organic. If you heavily fertilized your lawn with it instead of some chemical fertilizer and allowed it to run into a water body it would still have a negative effect. That and a very stinky lawn but it would be organic.
I wonder what the history of the Puget Sound area is, concerning boat maintnence. It seems like there is usually an underlying problem that brings out a crazy, unreasonable, reaction. This seems to be the phase this is in. Then once the issue is brought to light a reasonable standard is adopted to deal with the problem. If everybody or nobody is happy then it is probably the right solution.
I doubt the boat owners want to pollute the sound either but they do want to clean their boats, Steve.
Chicken manure is organic. If you heavily fertilized your lawn with it instead of some chemical fertilizer and allowed it to run into a water body it would still have a negative effect. That and a very stinky lawn but it would be organic.
I wonder what the history of the Puget Sound area is, concerning boat maintnence. It seems like there is usually an underlying problem that brings out a crazy, unreasonable, reaction. This seems to be the phase this is in. Then once the issue is brought to light a reasonable standard is adopted to deal with the problem. If everybody or nobody is happy then it is probably the right solution.
I doubt the boat owners want to pollute the sound either but they do want to clean their boats, Steve.
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No let-up?
Steve, are your neighbors STILL complaining about that?Chicken manure is organic. If you heavily fertilized your lawn with it instead of some chemical fertilizer and allowed it to run into a water body it would still have a negative effect. That and a very stinky lawn but it would be organic.
Dean Abramson
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That's a silly analogy, Steve. How can you compare "heavily fertilizing your lawn with chicken manure" with washing boats in the Puget Sound?Steve Laume wrote:Chicken manure is organic. If you heavily fertilized your lawn with it instead of some chemical fertilizer and allowed it to run into a water body it would still have a negative effect. That and a very stinky lawn but it would be organic.
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The analogy was not to compare chicken manure to soap. It was to compare organic fertilizer or soap to the non organic type. Sorry if that was confusing.
Biodegradable, might be a better solution than organic soap.
The best solution would be rationality which is often in shorter supply than un-neutered male bovine manure, Steve.
Biodegradable, might be a better solution than organic soap.
The best solution would be rationality which is often in shorter supply than un-neutered male bovine manure, Steve.