this is the new kid on the block and does not have the orange tint that Cetol does. has anyone tried it yet? i put a dab on a piece of teak at the store and it looks similar to varnish.
john churchill
west marine "WoodPro" finish
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Scott Ranney
Re: west marine "WoodPro" finish
John,
In the past two weeks, my capt. and I had the Rosebud up on the hard to re-paint the bottom, buff the hull etc... one thing we did, different from last year, was cetol the teak on the whole boat. It looks great! the satin finish fully contrasts the blue color of the grip on the deck and in the cockpit. But, one worry about the cetol is that it stains the gelcoat on the deck/hull and is messy if you're not careful. A thorough taping around the teak and newspapers to help with spills will help. Also keep a rag close to rub the stain into the wood. We did three coats this time and one coat every year after. It sure beats the hassle of multiple coats of oil every year. A month after you oil it, the teak turns gray anyway! The cetol will look good for the upcoming sailing year- it gives her a classy look like no other boat in the marina. Good luck if you decide to go with the cetol,
Scott
1st Mate
Typhoon 615
doghouse_33@hotmail.com
In the past two weeks, my capt. and I had the Rosebud up on the hard to re-paint the bottom, buff the hull etc... one thing we did, different from last year, was cetol the teak on the whole boat. It looks great! the satin finish fully contrasts the blue color of the grip on the deck and in the cockpit. But, one worry about the cetol is that it stains the gelcoat on the deck/hull and is messy if you're not careful. A thorough taping around the teak and newspapers to help with spills will help. Also keep a rag close to rub the stain into the wood. We did three coats this time and one coat every year after. It sure beats the hassle of multiple coats of oil every year. A month after you oil it, the teak turns gray anyway! The cetol will look good for the upcoming sailing year- it gives her a classy look like no other boat in the marina. Good luck if you decide to go with the cetol,
Scott
1st Mate
Typhoon 615
doghouse_33@hotmail.com
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Don Carr
Cetol 'Light'
John;
West Marine plugs their product as being 'Cetol-like' without the pigment. Although I hven't tried it, CETOL now makes a 'light' apparently to serve the market who doesn't like the 'orangey' pigment.
I am a whole hearted believer of Cetol having done my teak last year and this season after the winter, looks great, just a quick maintenance coat in only a couple of areas.
Don Carr.
carrd48@netzero.net
West Marine plugs their product as being 'Cetol-like' without the pigment. Although I hven't tried it, CETOL now makes a 'light' apparently to serve the market who doesn't like the 'orangey' pigment.
I am a whole hearted believer of Cetol having done my teak last year and this season after the winter, looks great, just a quick maintenance coat in only a couple of areas.
Don Carr.
carrd48@netzero.net
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Jon
"Orange Cetol"
I agree.
I've been using the regular "orange" Cetol for five years now. I love the way the boat looks, and spring touch-up is a breeze. Just some light sanding by hand and one quick coat does it.
Jon
I've been using the regular "orange" Cetol for five years now. I love the way the boat looks, and spring touch-up is a breeze. Just some light sanding by hand and one quick coat does it.
Jon
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Joe
Re: Cetol 'Light'
Cetol does not make a "light." It makes what it calls "Cetol Marine Gloss." It does not contain any UV filters (which is what give Cetol the off-color appearance many of us hate). It is intended to be applied over at least two coats of regular Cetol so you will get a varnished, rather than oiled appearance. Other than to give the "gloss," Sikkens makes no other claims for the product.Don Carr wrote: John;
West Marine plugs their product as being 'Cetol-like' without the pigment. Although I hven't tried it, CETOL now makes a 'light' apparently to serve the market who doesn't like the 'orangey' pigment.
I am a whole hearted believer of Cetol having done my teak last year and this season after the winter, looks great, just a quick maintenance coat in only a couple of areas.
Don Carr.
Joe
tgjournal@gestalt.org
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Don
Re: Cetol 'Light'
Joe;
I beg to differ. It is a brand new product for this year. It is advertised by Sikkens to have less pigment. So Cetol is offering Cetol Satin, Cetol Gloss, Cetol Gloss Light.
Don
carrd48@netzero.net
I beg to differ. It is a brand new product for this year. It is advertised by Sikkens to have less pigment. So Cetol is offering Cetol Satin, Cetol Gloss, Cetol Gloss Light.
Don
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John Nuttall
Re: Cetol 'Light'
FYI: I spoke to the engineers at Sikkens last Dec. just prior to the release of the Cetol Light. According to that engineer, Cetol Light has less pigment, hence will appear to be less orange. It was developed to overcome the common objection to Cetol's color and grain masking. It will not have the UV resistance of orig. Cetol, and will therefore degrade sooner. It will be better suited for northern climates. It was designed to be used in conjunction with the gloss. The gloss is supposed to be used on top of Cetol Orig & Cetol Light in order to give it some durability. Similar to the durability of varnish.
According to him (and I have not checked since the release of the new version) product line-up is: Cetol Marine, Cetol Marine Light & Cetol Marine Gloss.
The engineer was very friendly and helpful. Nice guy. Did not mind my call at all. Suggest you call them up if you have a concern, they care about their product..........
Maybe Practical Sailor will have some results for us soon????
nuttall@msn.com
According to him (and I have not checked since the release of the new version) product line-up is: Cetol Marine, Cetol Marine Light & Cetol Marine Gloss.
The engineer was very friendly and helpful. Nice guy. Did not mind my call at all. Suggest you call them up if you have a concern, they care about their product..........
Maybe Practical Sailor will have some results for us soon????
nuttall@msn.com
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Larry DeMers
Re: Cetol 'Light'
Hi Guys,
Cetol has been our finish for 6 years now. We have 2 coats of the base material and 8 coats of Cetol Gloss on all exterior teak. The neat thing is that all the maintenance we need do each spring is a good washing followed by a once-over with a 3M scotchlite pad, tackcloth the surface, and then overcoat with one coat of gloss, using a sponge brush.
You should be aware that Sikkens has numerous other products for the building industry, namely deck stains and varnish-like products. These in turn could also be used on our boats if the product is something you like. The UV protection of course, is something to check on, as products intended for use on decks would seem to need a UV blocker as much as our boats do..but I do not know how much they put in the product made for decks compared to the marine products.
I can tell you that I formerly had varnished brightwork..6-8 coats applied carefully. I reveled in the deep varnished glow. There is no way I will go back to varnish now. I get nearly as beautiful a finish with Cetol as varnish, but the difference is in the way cetol protects the wood. Skip if this bores you:
Varnish is an occlusive seal of the wood surface..it basicly encloses the whole of the wood in a non-permeable layer. When something comes along and dings the finish, bad things start to cascade. The dinged area admits moisture into the wood, then under the varnish surrounding the dinged area, lifting it. Once lifted, it dries out, flaking off, revealing more wood to the air, sun and moisture. The process continues, until nothing is left but greying rotting wood.
To refinish varnished surfaces, you must sand and dodge out the area around the ding, feathering in the edge. Then you must build up the coats of protection that the surrounding areas have on them. Even then, you have an ugly repair, very difficult not to notice at 5 ft. off, especially if sunlight glances off of it.
Cetol is a permeable finish. It cures with thousands of micropores,so small that moisture itself will not pass into the wood. When a ding happens, the finish does not flake off because the finish is not brittle like varnish. Moisture that wicks under the area surrounding a dinged area, will pass through the finish, rather than lift the finish.
If an area of wood is exposed, simply lite sand it to remove the greying, tack off, cetol with the same 2 coats you put on everything else, followed by a dab or two of gloss. Use an artists brush to do the work..it takes all of 1 minute perhaps.
At 1ft. away, you will not see the repair, and the repair will last as long as the rest of the finish.
Cheers!
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
demers@sgi.com
Cetol has been our finish for 6 years now. We have 2 coats of the base material and 8 coats of Cetol Gloss on all exterior teak. The neat thing is that all the maintenance we need do each spring is a good washing followed by a once-over with a 3M scotchlite pad, tackcloth the surface, and then overcoat with one coat of gloss, using a sponge brush.
You should be aware that Sikkens has numerous other products for the building industry, namely deck stains and varnish-like products. These in turn could also be used on our boats if the product is something you like. The UV protection of course, is something to check on, as products intended for use on decks would seem to need a UV blocker as much as our boats do..but I do not know how much they put in the product made for decks compared to the marine products.
I can tell you that I formerly had varnished brightwork..6-8 coats applied carefully. I reveled in the deep varnished glow. There is no way I will go back to varnish now. I get nearly as beautiful a finish with Cetol as varnish, but the difference is in the way cetol protects the wood. Skip if this bores you:
Varnish is an occlusive seal of the wood surface..it basicly encloses the whole of the wood in a non-permeable layer. When something comes along and dings the finish, bad things start to cascade. The dinged area admits moisture into the wood, then under the varnish surrounding the dinged area, lifting it. Once lifted, it dries out, flaking off, revealing more wood to the air, sun and moisture. The process continues, until nothing is left but greying rotting wood.
To refinish varnished surfaces, you must sand and dodge out the area around the ding, feathering in the edge. Then you must build up the coats of protection that the surrounding areas have on them. Even then, you have an ugly repair, very difficult not to notice at 5 ft. off, especially if sunlight glances off of it.
Cetol is a permeable finish. It cures with thousands of micropores,so small that moisture itself will not pass into the wood. When a ding happens, the finish does not flake off because the finish is not brittle like varnish. Moisture that wicks under the area surrounding a dinged area, will pass through the finish, rather than lift the finish.
If an area of wood is exposed, simply lite sand it to remove the greying, tack off, cetol with the same 2 coats you put on everything else, followed by a dab or two of gloss. Use an artists brush to do the work..it takes all of 1 minute perhaps.
At 1ft. away, you will not see the repair, and the repair will last as long as the rest of the finish.
Cheers!
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
John Nuttall wrote: FYI: I spoke to the engineers at Sikkens last Dec. just prior to the release of the Cetol Light. According to that engineer, Cetol Light has less pigment, hence will appear to be less orange. It was developed to overcome the common objection to Cetol's color and grain masking. It will not have the UV resistance of orig. Cetol, and will therefore degrade sooner. It will be better suited for northern climates. It was designed to be used in conjunction with the gloss. The gloss is supposed to be used on top of Cetol Orig & Cetol Light in order to give it some durability. Similar to the durability of varnish.
According to him (and I have not checked since the release of the new version) product line-up is: Cetol Marine, Cetol Marine Light & Cetol Marine Gloss.
The engineer was very friendly and helpful. Nice guy. Did not mind my call at all. Suggest you call them up if you have a concern, they care about their product..........
Maybe Practical Sailor will have some results for us soon????
demers@sgi.com
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rodney devine
Re: west marine "WoodPro" finish
Good Grief! as Charlie would have said..Any discussion of varnish/cetol is apt to bring out the worst in some people..My Ty had an excellent coating of cetol satin when I bought her last year..I did not like the dark orange brown pigment, so this spring out came the palm sander and off came the finish (Most of the wood can easily be unscrewed and taken off boat for proper and simple finish removal). The new Cetol Light is quite a revelation and while not varnish, is a quantum improvement over the old dingy looking stuff..I applied, by brush of course, 3 coats of the light satin and 2 coats of the hi gloss..Mischief never looked better..Good luck but watch the company with which you initiate a cosmic analysis of varnish v cetol..I know my health insurance company will not pay for any damages! Good Luckjohn churchill wrote: this is the new kid on the block and does not have the orange tint that Cetol does. has anyone tried it yet? i put a dab on a piece of teak at the store and it looks similar to varnish.
john churchill
rodney devine
s/v Mischief
Ty 335
seaweed@snet.net