HELLO.
WE HAVE JUST MADE A DEPOSIT ON A CD 30, AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT OUR FIRST CAPE DORY.
THE BOAT IS AN 85 AND IT VERY GOOD CONDITION. IT HAS THE UNIVERSAL 18 WHICH HAS APPROX. 1000 HOURS ON IT. THE ENGINE IS IN FINE SHAPE, BUT WE WILL CONSIDER REPOWERING NEXT WINTER TO ADD SOME POWER. WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO ANY FASTER, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE STRONG CURRENTS EASIER. (SAILING AREA: CAPE COD AND SURROUNDS)
WE ARE LOOKING FOR OPINIONS ON WHETHER AN ENGINE WITH MORE HP IS A PRACTICAL IDEA, AND WHAT ENGINE IS DESIRABLE. ANY OPINIONS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU.
DAVIDSCOTT@MEDIAONE.NET
30 CUTTER REPOWERING
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Marv Birdt
Re: 30 CUTTER REPOWERING
We have the 18 and find it adequate providing it has a 3 blade prop.DAVID SCOTT wrote: HELLO.
WE HAVE JUST MADE A DEPOSIT ON A CD 30, AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT OUR FIRST CAPE DORY.
THE BOAT IS AN 85 AND IT VERY GOOD CONDITION. IT HAS THE UNIVERSAL 18 WHICH HAS APPROX. 1000 HOURS ON IT. THE ENGINE IS IN FINE SHAPE, BUT WE WILL CONSIDER REPOWERING NEXT WINTER TO ADD SOME POWER. WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO ANY FASTER, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE STRONG CURRENTS EASIER. (SAILING AREA: CAPE COD AND SURROUNDS)
WE ARE LOOKING FOR OPINIONS ON WHETHER AN ENGINE WITH MORE HP IS A PRACTICAL IDEA, AND WHAT ENGINE IS DESIRABLE. ANY OPINIONS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU.
I do not know if a 3 lung machine will fit, others will have to comment on that.
Our boat is an 86 and the head has never been off. We change the oil and filter every 50 hours. We have a large RACOR a number 500 fuel filter and change the element and the KUBOTA filter every year. BTW it is a KUBOTA block.
Congratulations it is a great boat. I hope you enjoy it as much as we have and if you have any questions give us a try.
Marv
mbirdt@peganet.com
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Gary McDonough
Re: 30 CUTTER REPOWERING
David,
My 1984 has the same engine and last summer passed the 1000 hour mark as well. I have not had any problems with respect to both speed and forward progress even with the currents in Buzzards Bay at the Canal end and at Woods Hole.
Gary
garym@taxinvest.com
My 1984 has the same engine and last summer passed the 1000 hour mark as well. I have not had any problems with respect to both speed and forward progress even with the currents in Buzzards Bay at the Canal end and at Woods Hole.
Gary
garym@taxinvest.com
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Larry DeMers
Re: 30 CUTTER REPOWERING
Congratulations on buying a great boat!
As to your question about repowering. The interior room for the engine on the CD30 is pretty well filled with the 18hp in there now. You will have a hard time finding more than a hp or two more in the same form factor, so this would not be a smart exchange as the new engine is going to be pushing hard into the $10k range.
Perhaps getting used to and adapting to the new boat/engine combo is the best advice for now. Once you get some experiences with the boat, think about getting a 3 blade feathering prop (around $1300) for the boat. That will give you some additional power forward, and a lot more power in reverse (not really needed there if you are a prudent mariner), and it does provide the feathering capacity which is it's biggest appeal.
Sailboats under power are strange ducks. They tend to waddle along, uncomfortable to some extent, because the sails are usually down when motoring, so the movement is more rapid than when sailing. Motoring into the wind directly can be a problem easily solved, when some basic physics is applied to the situation. We have found that easing the course off the wind by 20-30 degrees, and 'tacking' back and forth throught the wind, to 20-30 deg. off wind while motoring only (no sails) will increase your forward speed remarkably.
We have highwinds and waves as a rule on Superior. I have spent 3-4 hours trying to get past a small town in 40-50 kts. of wind. This was before using the tacking technique above. Using the technique, we settled the boats movement down considerably, and made forward progress, at an indicated 4-5 kts. (full throttle), with maybe 2-3 kts actual speed over the ground.
The wind was so high in this situation, it took a partially loaded cooler, and blew it off of our dock into the water. Had to launch the dink to retrieve it.
A request to you; would you please turn off your caps lock? Caps are interpreted as shouting/screaming, and it is hard to read. -Thanks
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 ~~~~Sailing Lake Superior~~~~
demers@sgi.com
As to your question about repowering. The interior room for the engine on the CD30 is pretty well filled with the 18hp in there now. You will have a hard time finding more than a hp or two more in the same form factor, so this would not be a smart exchange as the new engine is going to be pushing hard into the $10k range.
Perhaps getting used to and adapting to the new boat/engine combo is the best advice for now. Once you get some experiences with the boat, think about getting a 3 blade feathering prop (around $1300) for the boat. That will give you some additional power forward, and a lot more power in reverse (not really needed there if you are a prudent mariner), and it does provide the feathering capacity which is it's biggest appeal.
Sailboats under power are strange ducks. They tend to waddle along, uncomfortable to some extent, because the sails are usually down when motoring, so the movement is more rapid than when sailing. Motoring into the wind directly can be a problem easily solved, when some basic physics is applied to the situation. We have found that easing the course off the wind by 20-30 degrees, and 'tacking' back and forth throught the wind, to 20-30 deg. off wind while motoring only (no sails) will increase your forward speed remarkably.
We have highwinds and waves as a rule on Superior. I have spent 3-4 hours trying to get past a small town in 40-50 kts. of wind. This was before using the tacking technique above. Using the technique, we settled the boats movement down considerably, and made forward progress, at an indicated 4-5 kts. (full throttle), with maybe 2-3 kts actual speed over the ground.
The wind was so high in this situation, it took a partially loaded cooler, and blew it off of our dock into the water. Had to launch the dink to retrieve it.
A request to you; would you please turn off your caps lock? Caps are interpreted as shouting/screaming, and it is hard to read. -Thanks
Larry DeMers
s/v DeLaMer
Cape Dory 30 ~~~~Sailing Lake Superior~~~~
DAVID SCOTT wrote: HELLO.
WE HAVE JUST MADE A DEPOSIT ON A CD 30, AND WE ARE VERY EXCITED ABOUT OUR FIRST CAPE DORY.
THE BOAT IS AN 85 AND IT VERY GOOD CONDITION. IT HAS THE UNIVERSAL 18 WHICH HAS APPROX. 1000 HOURS ON IT. THE ENGINE IS IN FINE SHAPE, BUT WE WILL CONSIDER REPOWERING NEXT WINTER TO ADD SOME POWER. WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO GO ANY FASTER, BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE STRONG CURRENTS EASIER. (SAILING AREA: CAPE COD AND SURROUNDS)
WE ARE LOOKING FOR OPINIONS ON WHETHER AN ENGINE WITH MORE HP IS A PRACTICAL IDEA, AND WHAT ENGINE IS DESIRABLE. ANY OPINIONS WOULD BE APPRECIATED.
THANK YOU.
demers@sgi.com
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D. Stump, Hanalei
Re: 30 CUTTER REPOWERING
Dave,
Hanalei is a 1984 CD-30 with the Universal 18, 14 hp diesel! It is 14 horsepower, not 18! 1,000 hours on a diesel is NOT a lot of hours. Consider repowering when ya get between 2500 and 3,000! More power will not necessesairly make you go faster. If you looked at a power to speed curve, you would see that power requirements climb exponentially as speed is increased! What with the cost of the engine, installation expense and the fact that your are probably in the optimum power range already, why change? Larry Demers had some good advice. Learn to love your Cape Dory as she is, there was a reason for their (the manufacturer's) madness! A reefed main when under power can be a great help in steadying the vessel and can actually help ya to windward if done correctly.
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
Hanalei is a 1984 CD-30 with the Universal 18, 14 hp diesel! It is 14 horsepower, not 18! 1,000 hours on a diesel is NOT a lot of hours. Consider repowering when ya get between 2500 and 3,000! More power will not necessesairly make you go faster. If you looked at a power to speed curve, you would see that power requirements climb exponentially as speed is increased! What with the cost of the engine, installation expense and the fact that your are probably in the optimum power range already, why change? Larry Demers had some good advice. Learn to love your Cape Dory as she is, there was a reason for their (the manufacturer's) madness! A reefed main when under power can be a great help in steadying the vessel and can actually help ya to windward if done correctly.
Dave Stump
Captain Commanding
s/v Hanalei CD-30
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Olli Wendelin
Re: 30 CUTTER REPOWERING
David,
My 1977 CD30 still chugs along on it's origional 10HP Yanmar, with a 3 bladed prop. I don't remember offhand, but my engine hours are over 4000.
My dock is 100 yards from one of the strongest currents on the ICW, Elliot Cut, which cranks along at 4 to 6 knots complete with whirlpools. I have no problems getting where I want to go, assuming I
take into consideration the direction of the tide.
Your engine sounds pretty new. I would save your money for all of your other outfitting expenses.
Good Luck.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
wendelin@spawar.navy.mil
My 1977 CD30 still chugs along on it's origional 10HP Yanmar, with a 3 bladed prop. I don't remember offhand, but my engine hours are over 4000.
My dock is 100 yards from one of the strongest currents on the ICW, Elliot Cut, which cranks along at 4 to 6 knots complete with whirlpools. I have no problems getting where I want to go, assuming I
take into consideration the direction of the tide.
Your engine sounds pretty new. I would save your money for all of your other outfitting expenses.
Good Luck.
Olli Wendelin
BLUE MOON
Charleston, SC
wendelin@spawar.navy.mil