Has anyone tried the Cape Dory minicaft gelcoat from Florida on their boat? https://www.minicraft.com/retail/capedory.htm Or premixed gelcoat to match the CD color from any other source? I found the minicraft link in the archives and am tempted to order their Cape Dory premix color gelcoat to do some touch ups this summer and it would be nice to know if their color does indeed match. Also, has anyone tried minicraft's can aerosol application method? Seems like an easy way to go for smallish repairs. Is it?
Would appreciate any feedback anyone has.
Regards,
Greg
Gelcoat source question
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Matt Cawthorne
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Hull # 79
GCP
Greg,
About 8 years ago I had some gelcoat custom matched to my deck color. It seemed dark at first, but in a few years it faded to a perfect match. I used Gelcoat Products (GCP) of Seattle. They made it a catalog color (#8400 I think). It is called 1982 Cape Dory Beige. Since I am doing a core replacement on the deck this winter I have recently been experimenting with replicating the deck texture. My formula is getting close. I can highly recommend GCP. You can find them on the web easily. If not, let me know. Their minimum order is a quart. I used them for the gelcoat for my dinghy as well.
http://www.cawthorne.org/Dinghy.html
Matt
About 8 years ago I had some gelcoat custom matched to my deck color. It seemed dark at first, but in a few years it faded to a perfect match. I used Gelcoat Products (GCP) of Seattle. They made it a catalog color (#8400 I think). It is called 1982 Cape Dory Beige. Since I am doing a core replacement on the deck this winter I have recently been experimenting with replicating the deck texture. My formula is getting close. I can highly recommend GCP. You can find them on the web easily. If not, let me know. Their minimum order is a quart. I used them for the gelcoat for my dinghy as well.
http://www.cawthorne.org/Dinghy.html
Matt
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Greg Kozlowski
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Thanks Matt. Are these the folks
and the colors? I got this info from a Dana Arenius post in the archives. A couple more questions: will I require a catalyst of some sort to mix in with the gelcoat? And, lastly, will the gelcoat dry in the open air or do I need to cover it with plastic wrap for it to kick in?
Gel-Coat Products
P.O. Box 17336
1109 North West 52nd
Seattle, WA 98107
Tel: (206)781-1162
Fax: (800)753-8861
Custon White......#42997
Custom Biege w/wax......#53097, invoice no. 035774
Regards,
Greg
Gel-Coat Products
P.O. Box 17336
1109 North West 52nd
Seattle, WA 98107
Tel: (206)781-1162
Fax: (800)753-8861
Custon White......#42997
Custom Biege w/wax......#53097, invoice no. 035774
Regards,
Greg
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Marc Theriault
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- Location: Contessa 26 s/v Sun Wave Lake Champlain NY/VT
Gelcoat
Greg,
Yes you need a catalyst for the gelcoat.
The catalyst will do the kick in.
On the "Custom Biege w/wax......#53097, invoice no. 035774"
I saw "w/wax" so this gelcoat came with wax.
The gelcoat come with air dry, it's mean with wax or
the gelcoat without air dry, so it's mean witout wax.
The wax will made the air barrier so you don't have to use the plastic on it.
The main utility of the gelcoat without air dry is when you build on a mold. the step are spray the gelcoat without air dry when the gelcoat is dry is remain sticky and you can add laywers of fiberglass on it. this way the bond between the gelcoat and the fiberglass is better.
The gelcoat tend to retract a bit during the driyng process. I suggest that you prepar a second small batch of gelcoat to apply on the spot before the drying is finish.
Marc
Yes you need a catalyst for the gelcoat.
The catalyst will do the kick in.
On the "Custom Biege w/wax......#53097, invoice no. 035774"
I saw "w/wax" so this gelcoat came with wax.
The gelcoat come with air dry, it's mean with wax or
the gelcoat without air dry, so it's mean witout wax.
The wax will made the air barrier so you don't have to use the plastic on it.
The main utility of the gelcoat without air dry is when you build on a mold. the step are spray the gelcoat without air dry when the gelcoat is dry is remain sticky and you can add laywers of fiberglass on it. this way the bond between the gelcoat and the fiberglass is better.
The gelcoat tend to retract a bit during the driyng process. I suggest that you prepar a second small batch of gelcoat to apply on the spot before the drying is finish.
Marc
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Matt Cawthorne
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Hull # 79
gelcoat color match
I am not certain how constant the gelcoat colors were for the Cape Dory Company. As I mentioned, the color that matches my deck is called '1982 Cape Dory Beige'. I'll check the number next time I get near my can of material. It was color matched from my deck. If you want to be certain that your deck is matched exactly, then you should send them a piece of gelcoat and they will custom match it.
http://www.gelcoatproducts.com/
As previously stated, get them to add wax for an air-cure process.
The most common catalyst is Methyl-Ethyl Keytone Peroxide (MEKP) and if they don't supply it, you should be able to get it at your local auto body shop. It is the same stuff used to catalyze Bondo.
http://www.gelcoatproducts.com/
As previously stated, get them to add wax for an air-cure process.
The most common catalyst is Methyl-Ethyl Keytone Peroxide (MEKP) and if they don't supply it, you should be able to get it at your local auto body shop. It is the same stuff used to catalyze Bondo.
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Marc Theriault
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- Location: Contessa 26 s/v Sun Wave Lake Champlain NY/VT
deck texture
Matt,
You could order the pattern of your anti-skid at Gibco flex-mold.
The web site is
www.gibcoflexmold.com
It's like a carpet that you put on the uncure gelcoat. easy to do and the look is professional.
You could order the pattern of your anti-skid at Gibco flex-mold.
The web site is
www.gibcoflexmold.com
It's like a carpet that you put on the uncure gelcoat. easy to do and the look is professional.
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Oswego John
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Exactly What I have Been looking For
Marc,
That Gibco flex-mold is just what I have been trying to find. Thanks for the info.
O J
That Gibco flex-mold is just what I have been trying to find. Thanks for the info.
O J
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Greg Kozlowski
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Thanks guys
Very useful info. I redid Sherpa's nonskid with Imron back in 2002 in Venezuela and, except for a couple spots, it seems to be holding up well. But the white areas of gelcoat are starting to need attention in areas next to the toerail and a number of spots where it has chipped out or been dinged. I have filled a number of these spots with fairly generic gelcoat filler, but it has dried out and changed color and looks awful...thus my search for a better solution.
One last question that I couldn't find the answer to on the GCP site: because of flight restrictions, I will probably need to buy the MEKP catalyst in Turkey locally... I presume it's a fairly generic product and it shouldn't be a problem to get, but what is the ratio for mixing? Just a dab or is it more specific like when mixing west system epoxy, for example?
Thanks for all the help,
Greg
One last question that I couldn't find the answer to on the GCP site: because of flight restrictions, I will probably need to buy the MEKP catalyst in Turkey locally... I presume it's a fairly generic product and it shouldn't be a problem to get, but what is the ratio for mixing? Just a dab or is it more specific like when mixing west system epoxy, for example?
Thanks for all the help,
Greg
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Marc Theriault
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- Joined: Feb 6th, '05, 18:05
- Location: Contessa 26 s/v Sun Wave Lake Champlain NY/VT
MEKP catalyst
Greg,
The ratio of MEKP is around 4% of the volume, this is the theory.
The Gelcoat is a forgiving material, it's better to use less of MEKP than too much. Too much and the gelcoat will react too fast. If too less you could activate the cure with "construction lamp(2 x750W)" or a heat gun but in this case a hair dryer is better.
My recipe look like for 16 ounces of gelcoat add a tablespoon of MEKP.
I order my product from Progress Plastic at :
http://www.ppq.ca/
Marc
The ratio of MEKP is around 4% of the volume, this is the theory.
The Gelcoat is a forgiving material, it's better to use less of MEKP than too much. Too much and the gelcoat will react too fast. If too less you could activate the cure with "construction lamp(2 x750W)" or a heat gun but in this case a hair dryer is better.
My recipe look like for 16 ounces of gelcoat add a tablespoon of MEKP.
I order my product from Progress Plastic at :
http://www.ppq.ca/
Marc