After a few years of tripping over the boom for the clubfooted staysail on our CD36 (which we used rarely anyway), I removed it and suddenly have freed up deck space I never had, and now have a much better place to store the dink underway. I'll still carry the staysail aboard and also have a storm trysail (just in case) as well. Many cruisers have advised removing this potential "legbreaker" as well. My question is, has anyone else in CD cyberland done this, and how have you handled the self-tacking option - I'd like to use the track and keep the sail self-tacking. I've led a double-block down to the track but haven't yet tried it out under sail, but it's not very pretty. Any experience or suggestions?
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Removing clubfoot boom on staysail
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John Baker
Re: Removing clubfoot boom on staysail
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In 1993 we purchased Solana a CD31. The previous owner had removed the club foot and sold it. In the San Joaquin Delta easy tacking is a plus so we wanted the self-tacking option. Svendsen's Boatyard in Alameda put me in touch with Pineapple sails of Oakland. They fabricated an elevated curved track with a batcar attached to the front of the cabin trunk. The jib hanks on the stay although a roller furler would be possible. Sail shape is controled with a single line. Tacking is as easy as turning the wheel. It makes line handling a dream while playing dodge'em on San Francisco Bay on a busy Saturday afternoon. Typically there is enough wind that I do not use the yankee to make hull speed. The one downside is that you lose the foredeck as a place to stow the dink.
micaelaf@earthlink.net
In 1993 we purchased Solana a CD31. The previous owner had removed the club foot and sold it. In the San Joaquin Delta easy tacking is a plus so we wanted the self-tacking option. Svendsen's Boatyard in Alameda put me in touch with Pineapple sails of Oakland. They fabricated an elevated curved track with a batcar attached to the front of the cabin trunk. The jib hanks on the stay although a roller furler would be possible. Sail shape is controled with a single line. Tacking is as easy as turning the wheel. It makes line handling a dream while playing dodge'em on San Francisco Bay on a busy Saturday afternoon. Typically there is enough wind that I do not use the yankee to make hull speed. The one downside is that you lose the foredeck as a place to stow the dink.
micaelaf@earthlink.net
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Russ Campbell
Re: Removing clubfoot boom on staysail
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John, Could you describe in detail how the one line control works? Where does it run and what exactly does it control. I'm always looking for better ways to control that sail. Thganks
Russ
camroll@together.net
John, Could you describe in detail how the one line control works? Where does it run and what exactly does it control. I'm always looking for better ways to control that sail. Thganks
Russ
In 1993 we purchased Solana a CD31. The previous owner had removed the club foot and sold it. In the San Joaquin Delta easy tacking is a plus so we wanted the self-tacking option. Svendsen's Boatyard in Alameda put me in touch with Pineapple sails of Oakland. They fabricated an elevated curved track with a batcar attached to the front of the cabin trunk. The jib hanks on the stay although a roller furler would be possible. Sail shape is controled with a single line. Tacking is as easy as turning the wheel. It makes line handling a dream while playing dodge'em on San Francisco Bay on a busy Saturday afternoon. Typically there is enough wind that I do not use the yankee to make hull speed. The one downside is that you lose the foredeck as a place to stow the dink.
camroll@together.net
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Joe Wysong
Re: Removing clubfoot boom on staysail
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Bierig Sailmakers
11092 Freeport Lane
North East PA 16428
814-459-8001
Joe
tgjournal@gestalt.org
Go the whole nine yards. Replace the staysail with a Bierig Camberspar rig (Gary Hoyt made them standard on Freedoms). A camberspar, patented by Bierig, is half a wishbone boom -- looks like this from above ( -- sown into the staysail about a third of the way up. Not only does it keep the boom off the deck, but the boom swivils when you come about, always keeping the proper bag in the sail. From above, looks like this on the port tack ) and like this on the starboard (. It makes single-handling a breeze and gets far better performance than a standard club footed jib. Bierig apparently doesn't have a web site.John, Could you describe in detail how the one line control works? Where does it run and what exactly does it control. I'm always looking for better ways to control that sail. Thganks
Russ
In 1993 we purchased Solana a CD31. The previous owner had removed the club foot and sold it. In the San Joaquin Delta easy tacking is a plus so we wanted the self-tacking option. Svendsen's Boatyard in Alameda put me in touch with Pineapple sails of Oakland. They fabricated an elevated curved track with a batcar attached to the front of the cabin trunk. The jib hanks on the stay although a roller furler would be possible. Sail shape is controled with a single line. Tacking is as easy as turning the wheel. It makes line handling a dream while playing dodge'em on San Francisco Bay on a busy Saturday afternoon. Typically there is enough wind that I do not use the yankee to make hull speed. The one downside is that you lose the foredeck as a place to stow the dink.
Bierig Sailmakers
11092 Freeport Lane
North East PA 16428
814-459-8001
Joe
tgjournal@gestalt.org
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Andrew Denmark
Re: Removing clubfoot boom on staysail
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Hi Tim,
Quite a few CD owners remove the jib/staysail boom and are pleased with the results. In addition to the points you mention, the jib/staysail trims much better, and getting that bronze toe-killer off the foredeck (CD-28) makes handling ground tackle much easier. I'd also suggest a breakaway inner stay to make tacking easier and greatly enhance the longevity of your jibs from not having to be dragged around the stay. Pacific Seacraft uses a neat fitting that makes the disconnected stay easy to stow. Short tracks on the cabin top, along with separate winches (Lewmar 8's or 16's) make setting and trimming the boomless staysail easy. Self-tacking ability is lost but in my opinion the other advantages more than compensate.
Andy Denmark
"Rhiannon"
trekker@coastalnet.com
Hi Tim,
Quite a few CD owners remove the jib/staysail boom and are pleased with the results. In addition to the points you mention, the jib/staysail trims much better, and getting that bronze toe-killer off the foredeck (CD-28) makes handling ground tackle much easier. I'd also suggest a breakaway inner stay to make tacking easier and greatly enhance the longevity of your jibs from not having to be dragged around the stay. Pacific Seacraft uses a neat fitting that makes the disconnected stay easy to stow. Short tracks on the cabin top, along with separate winches (Lewmar 8's or 16's) make setting and trimming the boomless staysail easy. Self-tacking ability is lost but in my opinion the other advantages more than compensate.
Andy Denmark
"Rhiannon"
trekker@coastalnet.com
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Joe Wysong
Re: BUT .. can you backwind it without risking batten? (nm)
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Yes. It isn't a batten. The camberspar is a heavy-duty aluminum unit about 3.5 inches in diameter and can withstand a gale.
Comes with a nice white Awlgrip finish, too.
Joe
tgjournal@gestalt.org
Yes. It isn't a batten. The camberspar is a heavy-duty aluminum unit about 3.5 inches in diameter and can withstand a gale.
Comes with a nice white Awlgrip finish, too.
Joe
tgjournal@gestalt.org
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John R.
Harken Options
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Check the rigging section of the Harken catalog. I think it details a couple of single sheet staysail options and one of them I believe utilizes a track traversing the cabin top such as the original CD staysail version.
Check the rigging section of the Harken catalog. I think it details a couple of single sheet staysail options and one of them I believe utilizes a track traversing the cabin top such as the original CD staysail version.
After a few years of tripping over the boom for the clubfooted staysail on our CD36 (which we used rarely anyway), I removed it and suddenly have freed up deck space I never had, and now have a much better place to store the dink underway. I'll still carry the staysail aboard and also have a storm trysail (just in case) as well. Many cruisers have advised removing this potential "legbreaker" as well. My question is, has anyone else in CD cyberland done this, and how have you handled the self-tacking option - I'd like to use the track and keep the sail self-tacking. I've led a double-block down to the track but haven't yet tried it out under sail, but it's not very pretty. Any experience or suggestions?