I am considering purchasing a complete set of sails fr my CD27 from MACK SAILS in Florida. I, however, live in Los Angeles. I am concerned about doing busines over the phone and taking measurements myself etc. Has anyone out there had any experience with MACK SAILS and/or buying sales in this manner? Thanks for your help.
Aldajon@aol.com
Need Information on Mack Sailmakers
Moderator: Jim Walsh
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Murray Glue
Re: Need Information on Mack Sailmakers
Before you commit to your purchase, might I suggest you try our local loft in Nelson, NZ, who recently made us a new CD30 sail for a very good price compared to the quoted price we got ex US. Email me if you want the address to contact them for a quote.
Murray Glue
CD30 Dayspring
Nelson
New Zealand
106452.2173@compuserve.com
Murray Glue
CD30 Dayspring
Nelson
New Zealand
106452.2173@compuserve.com
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Catherine Monaghan
Re: Need Information on Mack Sailmakers
Richard,
If you still have the Owner's Manual that came with the boat, you'll have the dimensions that are needed for the sails. You'll need the dimensions for I, J, P and E.
If you don't have the manual, maybe one of the other Cape Dorians can supply you with the dimensions as cited in their manual.
If you cannot get a hold of the dimensions from a manual, here's what you need (this info comes from <a href="http://www.uksailmakers.com/buyasail.html">How to Buy a Sail - Made Easy</a> at UK Sailmakers' website. The info is pretty generic, so it doesn't matter what sailmaker you choose.):
I: The height of the foretriangle measured from the headsail halyard raised as far as it will go to where the mast meets the deck. If your boat has a deckhouse, measure the height of the deck house at the mast and add that to your first measurement.
J: The base of the foretriangle measured from the intersection of the headstay and the bow to the front of the mast.
P: The maximum luff of the mainsail is measured from the main halyard raised as high as it will go to the top of the boom where it attaches to the mast.
E: The maximum foot length of the main is measured along the boom between the bearing point of the outhaul when tightened as far out as it can go to the aft face of the mast.
And here are some questions that the sailmaker is likely to ask.
1. What kind of boat do you have? We need the make and model. If you say a 40-foot Beneteau, we can't tell whether that's an Oceanis 400, a 40CC or a 40.7 - all very different. So, you need to be very explicit. If you have a custom design, we may need a sailplan drawing, but we are familiar with almost every production boat.
2. In what year was your boat built? Builders often make changes year by year. There is a big difference, for example, between a C&C 34 from 1980 and their 34R from 1987.
3. What rig does this have? Many builders offer standard and tall rigs. For example, the Catalina 30 comes either way and there is a very large difference between the two masts. There are some boats that offer rig options such as conventional boom or wishbone boom. Unless you tell us, we won't know and our recommendations and quote won't make sense.
4. Has the rig been modified? Owners occasionally lengthen their boom or add a short bowsprit to increase sail area on under-canvassed boats. Even more common, a furling system may have been added; we need to know if your boat has one and, if so, what kind?
5. Where do you sail? Sails cut for long ocean swells should have a different shape from those used in choppy waters. Some places are known for strong winds, others for zephyrs. We'd like to get the right shape and strength of materials for you.
6. Do you race, cruise or do both? The choice of materials and features you should have will vary to suit your usage.
7. What's the reason for buying a new sail? Are you replacing an old one, moving to different waters and sailing conditions, heading off on a worldwide voyage, looking for more speed and/or durability? All these sorts of reasons determine what we'll recommend and its cost.
And 8. What key factors will influence your purchase? Can you rank factors such as price, performance, multi-purpose use, and durability?
Let me know how you make out, I'm contemplating new sails myself.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
If you still have the Owner's Manual that came with the boat, you'll have the dimensions that are needed for the sails. You'll need the dimensions for I, J, P and E.
If you don't have the manual, maybe one of the other Cape Dorians can supply you with the dimensions as cited in their manual.
If you cannot get a hold of the dimensions from a manual, here's what you need (this info comes from <a href="http://www.uksailmakers.com/buyasail.html">How to Buy a Sail - Made Easy</a> at UK Sailmakers' website. The info is pretty generic, so it doesn't matter what sailmaker you choose.):
I: The height of the foretriangle measured from the headsail halyard raised as far as it will go to where the mast meets the deck. If your boat has a deckhouse, measure the height of the deck house at the mast and add that to your first measurement.
J: The base of the foretriangle measured from the intersection of the headstay and the bow to the front of the mast.
P: The maximum luff of the mainsail is measured from the main halyard raised as high as it will go to the top of the boom where it attaches to the mast.
E: The maximum foot length of the main is measured along the boom between the bearing point of the outhaul when tightened as far out as it can go to the aft face of the mast.
And here are some questions that the sailmaker is likely to ask.
1. What kind of boat do you have? We need the make and model. If you say a 40-foot Beneteau, we can't tell whether that's an Oceanis 400, a 40CC or a 40.7 - all very different. So, you need to be very explicit. If you have a custom design, we may need a sailplan drawing, but we are familiar with almost every production boat.
2. In what year was your boat built? Builders often make changes year by year. There is a big difference, for example, between a C&C 34 from 1980 and their 34R from 1987.
3. What rig does this have? Many builders offer standard and tall rigs. For example, the Catalina 30 comes either way and there is a very large difference between the two masts. There are some boats that offer rig options such as conventional boom or wishbone boom. Unless you tell us, we won't know and our recommendations and quote won't make sense.
4. Has the rig been modified? Owners occasionally lengthen their boom or add a short bowsprit to increase sail area on under-canvassed boats. Even more common, a furling system may have been added; we need to know if your boat has one and, if so, what kind?
5. Where do you sail? Sails cut for long ocean swells should have a different shape from those used in choppy waters. Some places are known for strong winds, others for zephyrs. We'd like to get the right shape and strength of materials for you.
6. Do you race, cruise or do both? The choice of materials and features you should have will vary to suit your usage.
7. What's the reason for buying a new sail? Are you replacing an old one, moving to different waters and sailing conditions, heading off on a worldwide voyage, looking for more speed and/or durability? All these sorts of reasons determine what we'll recommend and its cost.
And 8. What key factors will influence your purchase? Can you rank factors such as price, performance, multi-purpose use, and durability?
Let me know how you make out, I'm contemplating new sails myself.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
I am considering purchasing a complete set of sails fr my CD27 from MACK SAILS in Florida. I, however, live in Los Angeles. I am concerned about doing busines over the phone and taking measurements myself etc. Has anyone out there had any experience with MACK SAILS and/or buying sales in this manner? Thanks for your help.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
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Catherine Monaghan
Re: Mack Sails website
Richard,
By the way, here is <a href="http://www.macksails.com/">Mack Sails' website</a>.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
By the way, here is <a href="http://www.macksails.com/">Mack Sails' website</a>.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
Richard,
If you still have the Owner's Manual that came with the boat, you'll have the dimensions that are needed for the sails. You'll need the dimensions for I, J, P and E.
If you don't have the manual, maybe one of the other Cape Dorians can supply you with the dimensions as cited in their manual.
If you cannot get a hold of the dimensions from a manual, here's what you need (this info comes from <a href="http://www.uksailmakers.com/buyasail.html">How to Buy a Sail - Made Easy</a> at UK Sailmakers' website. The info is pretty generic, so it doesn't matter what sailmaker you choose.):
I: The height of the foretriangle measured from the headsail halyard raised as far as it will go to where the mast meets the deck. If your boat has a deckhouse, measure the height of the deck house at the mast and add that to your first measurement.
J: The base of the foretriangle measured from the intersection of the headstay and the bow to the front of the mast.
P: The maximum luff of the mainsail is measured from the main halyard raised as high as it will go to the top of the boom where it attaches to the mast.
E: The maximum foot length of the main is measured along the boom between the bearing point of the outhaul when tightened as far out as it can go to the aft face of the mast.
And here are some questions that the sailmaker is likely to ask.
1. What kind of boat do you have? We need the make and model. If you say a 40-foot Beneteau, we can't tell whether that's an Oceanis 400, a 40CC or a 40.7 - all very different. So, you need to be very explicit. If you have a custom design, we may need a sailplan drawing, but we are familiar with almost every production boat.
2. In what year was your boat built? Builders often make changes year by year. There is a big difference, for example, between a C&C 34 from 1980 and their 34R from 1987.
3. What rig does this have? Many builders offer standard and tall rigs. For example, the Catalina 30 comes either way and there is a very large difference between the two masts. There are some boats that offer rig options such as conventional boom or wishbone boom. Unless you tell us, we won't know and our recommendations and quote won't make sense.
4. Has the rig been modified? Owners occasionally lengthen their boom or add a short bowsprit to increase sail area on under-canvassed boats. Even more common, a furling system may have been added; we need to know if your boat has one and, if so, what kind?
5. Where do you sail? Sails cut for long ocean swells should have a different shape from those used in choppy waters. Some places are known for strong winds, others for zephyrs. We'd like to get the right shape and strength of materials for you.
6. Do you race, cruise or do both? The choice of materials and features you should have will vary to suit your usage.
7. What's the reason for buying a new sail? Are you replacing an old one, moving to different waters and sailing conditions, heading off on a worldwide voyage, looking for more speed and/or durability? All these sorts of reasons determine what we'll recommend and its cost.
And 8. What key factors will influence your purchase? Can you rank factors such as price, performance, multi-purpose use, and durability?
Let me know how you make out, I'm contemplating new sails myself.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
I am considering purchasing a complete set of sails fr my CD27 from MACK SAILS in Florida. I, however, live in Los Angeles. I am concerned about doing busines over the phone and taking measurements myself etc. Has anyone out there had any experience with MACK SAILS and/or buying sales in this manner? Thanks for your help.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
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Catherine Monaghan
Re: Download CD Manual
Richard,
You can download a manual from <a href="http://www.txdirect.net/users/cd27/">this website</a> and get the I, J, P and E dimensions from it.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
You can download a manual from <a href="http://www.txdirect.net/users/cd27/">this website</a> and get the I, J, P and E dimensions from it.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
Richard,
If you still have the Owner's Manual that came with the boat, you'll have the dimensions that are needed for the sails. You'll need the dimensions for I, J, P and E.
If you don't have the manual, maybe one of the other Cape Dorians can supply you with the dimensions as cited in their manual.
If you cannot get a hold of the dimensions from a manual, here's what you need (this info comes from <a href="http://www.uksailmakers.com/buyasail.html">How to Buy a Sail - Made Easy</a> at UK Sailmakers' website. The info is pretty generic, so it doesn't matter what sailmaker you choose.):
I: The height of the foretriangle measured from the headsail halyard raised as far as it will go to where the mast meets the deck. If your boat has a deckhouse, measure the height of the deck house at the mast and add that to your first measurement.
J: The base of the foretriangle measured from the intersection of the headstay and the bow to the front of the mast.
P: The maximum luff of the mainsail is measured from the main halyard raised as high as it will go to the top of the boom where it attaches to the mast.
E: The maximum foot length of the main is measured along the boom between the bearing point of the outhaul when tightened as far out as it can go to the aft face of the mast.
And here are some questions that the sailmaker is likely to ask.
1. What kind of boat do you have? We need the make and model. If you say a 40-foot Beneteau, we can't tell whether that's an Oceanis 400, a 40CC or a 40.7 - all very different. So, you need to be very explicit. If you have a custom design, we may need a sailplan drawing, but we are familiar with almost every production boat.
2. In what year was your boat built? Builders often make changes year by year. There is a big difference, for example, between a C&C 34 from 1980 and their 34R from 1987.
3. What rig does this have? Many builders offer standard and tall rigs. For example, the Catalina 30 comes either way and there is a very large difference between the two masts. There are some boats that offer rig options such as conventional boom or wishbone boom. Unless you tell us, we won't know and our recommendations and quote won't make sense.
4. Has the rig been modified? Owners occasionally lengthen their boom or add a short bowsprit to increase sail area on under-canvassed boats. Even more common, a furling system may have been added; we need to know if your boat has one and, if so, what kind?
5. Where do you sail? Sails cut for long ocean swells should have a different shape from those used in choppy waters. Some places are known for strong winds, others for zephyrs. We'd like to get the right shape and strength of materials for you.
6. Do you race, cruise or do both? The choice of materials and features you should have will vary to suit your usage.
7. What's the reason for buying a new sail? Are you replacing an old one, moving to different waters and sailing conditions, heading off on a worldwide voyage, looking for more speed and/or durability? All these sorts of reasons determine what we'll recommend and its cost.
And 8. What key factors will influence your purchase? Can you rank factors such as price, performance, multi-purpose use, and durability?
Let me know how you make out, I'm contemplating new sails myself.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
I am considering purchasing a complete set of sails fr my CD27 from MACK SAILS in Florida. I, however, live in Los Angeles. I am concerned about doing busines over the phone and taking measurements myself etc. Has anyone out there had any experience with MACK SAILS and/or buying sales in this manner? Thanks for your help.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
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Rob Hindman
Re: Need Information on Mack Sailmakers
Richard,
A friend of mine bought a complete set of new sails, running rigging, standing rigging and lots of Garhauer Hardware from Mack Sails. We're in Maryland, so everything was ordered by phone . Everything was on time and of good quality. The sails look good and perform well on his Westsail 32. I was introduced to the Mack crew at the Annapolis Show. They are knowledgeable and friendly. Good luck!
A friend of mine bought a complete set of new sails, running rigging, standing rigging and lots of Garhauer Hardware from Mack Sails. We're in Maryland, so everything was ordered by phone . Everything was on time and of good quality. The sails look good and perform well on his Westsail 32. I was introduced to the Mack crew at the Annapolis Show. They are knowledgeable and friendly. Good luck!
Richard,
If you still have the Owner's Manual that came with the boat, you'll have the dimensions that are needed for the sails. You'll need the dimensions for I, J, P and E.
If you don't have the manual, maybe one of the other Cape Dorians can supply you with the dimensions as cited in their manual.
If you cannot get a hold of the dimensions from a manual, here's what you need (this info comes from <a href="http://www.uksailmakers.com/buyasail.html">How to Buy a Sail - Made Easy</a> at UK Sailmakers' website. The info is pretty generic, so it doesn't matter what sailmaker you choose.):
I: The height of the foretriangle measured from the headsail halyard raised as far as it will go to where the mast meets the deck. If your boat has a deckhouse, measure the height of the deck house at the mast and add that to your first measurement.
J: The base of the foretriangle measured from the intersection of the headstay and the bow to the front of the mast.
P: The maximum luff of the mainsail is measured from the main halyard raised as high as it will go to the top of the boom where it attaches to the mast.
E: The maximum foot length of the main is measured along the boom between the bearing point of the outhaul when tightened as far out as it can go to the aft face of the mast.
And here are some questions that the sailmaker is likely to ask.
1. What kind of boat do you have? We need the make and model. If you say a 40-foot Beneteau, we can't tell whether that's an Oceanis 400, a 40CC or a 40.7 - all very different. So, you need to be very explicit. If you have a custom design, we may need a sailplan drawing, but we are familiar with almost every production boat.
2. In what year was your boat built? Builders often make changes year by year. There is a big difference, for example, between a C&C 34 from 1980 and their 34R from 1987.
3. What rig does this have? Many builders offer standard and tall rigs. For example, the Catalina 30 comes either way and there is a very large difference between the two masts. There are some boats that offer rig options such as conventional boom or wishbone boom. Unless you tell us, we won't know and our recommendations and quote won't make sense.
4. Has the rig been modified? Owners occasionally lengthen their boom or add a short bowsprit to increase sail area on under-canvassed boats. Even more common, a furling system may have been added; we need to know if your boat has one and, if so, what kind?
5. Where do you sail? Sails cut for long ocean swells should have a different shape from those used in choppy waters. Some places are known for strong winds, others for zephyrs. We'd like to get the right shape and strength of materials for you.
6. Do you race, cruise or do both? The choice of materials and features you should have will vary to suit your usage.
7. What's the reason for buying a new sail? Are you replacing an old one, moving to different waters and sailing conditions, heading off on a worldwide voyage, looking for more speed and/or durability? All these sorts of reasons determine what we'll recommend and its cost.
And 8. What key factors will influence your purchase? Can you rank factors such as price, performance, multi-purpose use, and durability?
Let me know how you make out, I'm contemplating new sails myself.
catherine_monaghan@merck.com
CD32 Realization, #3
Rahway, NJ
Raritan Bay
I am considering purchasing a complete set of sails fr my CD27 from MACK SAILS in Florida. I, however, live in Los Angeles. I am concerned about doing busines over the phone and taking measurements myself etc. Has anyone out there had any experience with MACK SAILS and/or buying sales in this manner? Thanks for your help.