old wooden boats

SPIBob · Post by **SPIBob** » Sep 4th, '07, 14:18

Ran across this report and video and remembered a recent thread on this board about the fate of old wooden boats.

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me ... ome-center

Be forewarned that if you watch the video, some of the scenes of "the claw" can be disturbing.

Dick Barthel · Post by **Dick Barthel** » Sep 4th, '07, 18:04

Its a sad reality that all old boats cannot be saved, especially wooden ones.

Bill Sonntag · Post by **Bill Sonntag** » Sep 4th, '07, 21:23

Check out www.cyrg.org for progress on restoration of 1888 Lawley racing yacht ELF.

Bill Sonntag
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Maine Sail · Post by **Maine Sail** » Sep 4th, '07, 21:45

But here's the opposite end of the wooden boat spectrum... I took this last Monday night at Frenchboro Island off the Maine Coast..

neil · Post by **neil** » Sep 5th, '07, 04:14

Im not watching that video.... I get enough of that at my job.
I am however in the middle of saving one wooden boat from that very fate, Her names Freedom and heres some pictures:

http://www.odd.org/Freedom/

My boss mentioned in passing that it was going to be a pity to crush her and I think he saw murder in my eyes because he gave her to me rather quickly when I said "dont do that".

John Vigor most likely thinks I have become totally irrational. He is correct.

GRIN!

Cheers,
Neil

neil · Post by **neil** » Sep 5th, '07, 04:21

Maine Sail wrote:But here's the opposite end of the wooden boat spectrum... I took this last Monday night at Frenchboro Island off the Maine Coast..

That is a stunning boat!
woowee!

wingreen · Post by **wingreen** » Sep 5th, '07, 07:35

YAR! Is that an old Herreshoff?

Oswego John · Post by **Oswego John** » Sep 5th, '07, 11:30

Hi Neil,

She's a beauty.

It's not that often that one sees a ship with a boomkin.

Pardon my ignorance. Can anyone describe what that thing in the water under the stern rail is. Is it a secnd rudder that is part of a self steering system, or what?

Best wishes,
O J

capt alex · Post by **capt alex** » Sep 5th, '07, 12:41

put her in the water and i will sail it home

minke · Post by **minke** » Sep 6th, '07, 01:20

Oswego John wrote: ... Is it a secnd rudder that is part of a self steering system, or what? ...

Which rudderpost do you use to determine if she is a ketch or a yawl?? ;>))

neil · Post by **neil** » Sep 6th, '07, 01:42

minke wrote:
Oswego John wrote: ... Is it a secnd rudder that is part of a self steering system, or what? ...
Which rudderpost do you use to determine if she is a ketch or a yawl?? ;>))

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shes a Yawl rigged Cutter Ketch..... Hows that?

Neil Gordon · Post by **Neil Gordon** » Sep 6th, '07, 05:42

minke wrote:Which rudderpost do you use to determine if she is a ketch or a yawl?? ;>))

At the risk of launching a debate that will outdo the wheel vs. tiller discussion...

The notion that the rudder post defines a ketch vs. a yawl is a shorthand way of defining differences in the rigs that are about sail size and placement within the sail plan. I don't think you can convert a yawl to a ketch by simply moving the rudder. What if the rudder is lost and you steer with a bucket trailed over the transom? What then?

neil · Post by **neil** » Sep 6th, '07, 17:39

I guess that would be a Bucket rigged Broken Mizzin Sloop.... or something....

I suppose If I figure out how to sail this boat backwards I will have a Schooner!

I dont care about a debate, but she looks like a Yawl with a taller than usual mizzen, much like me being 6' tall makes me a giant pygmy.

One thing is quite clear, my Cape Dory 25, is smaller, less complex and made of something completely different. did I mention smaller? Or the fact that shes smaller?
One of the main things I have to avoid is letting this new boat get in the way of the work I am in the middle of on the first one....

Out of curiosity, WHAT does define the difference between a Ketch and a Yawl? I always thought it was placement before or after the rudder..... is there another definition?

no debates, just the facts man.

Cheers,
Neil

Neil Gordon · Post by **Neil Gordon** » Sep 6th, '07, 20:17

neil wrote:Out of curiosity, WHAT does define the difference between a Ketch and a Yawl? I always thought it was placement before or after the rudder..... is there another definition?

This from Wikipedia:

The yawl is often confused with the ketch, which also has two masts with the main mast foremost. The common view is that a ketch has the mizzen mast forward of the rudder post whereas the mizzen on a yawl is aft of the rudder post. This definition is a relatively recent definition and the historical definition is likely to be quite different.

In practice, on a ketch the principal purpose of the mizzen mast is to help propel the vessel, while on a yawl it is mainly used for the purposes of trim and balance. In consequence the mizzen sail of a yawl tends to be smaller, and the mainsail larger, when compared to a ketch of similar size. The mainsail of a yawl will be similar in size to that of a similarly sized and proportioned sloop.

Oswego John · Post by **Oswego John** » Sep 6th, '07, 21:09

neil wrote:I guess that would be a Bucket rigged Broken Mizzin Sloop.... or something.

Out of curiosity, WHAT does define the difference between a Ketch and a Yawl? I always thought it was placement before or after the rudder..... is there another definition?

no debates, just the facts man.

Cheers,
Neil

Hi Neil,

Just the facts man. No debates, no jive, no nuttin'.

The defination of the difference between a ketch and a yawl is purely geographical.

People who live north of the Mason-Dixon Line say ketch. Those who live south of the line say ya'll.

Ya'll have a good night, now. Y'hear?

Bubba

(Jes' kiddin' round)

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